I just don't get all the GW2 love.

I have tried to like the game....and tried and tried but it's just not happening. I just don't see why people think it's so great. I'll say this the game looks nice and has some cool combat ideas but there are so many things that I don't like that it just kills it for me.

For one thing I think that skills based off of weapon choice is just crappy. Feels very limiting to me and for the life of me I can not see why people would like this.

Also these dynamic events are so overrated imo and never mind that Rift and WAR did it long before GW2. And in my opinion Rift did it better...but that's just me I guess. But still it's the same stupid event starting over all the time. That's a grind my friends....it's just a different way of doing the same thing as every other mmo.

And what's fun about getting xp for running around taking in the views? I don't get why anyone in their right mind would say...."man I can't wait to to run across the map to that roof over there"....then they make their way up to the top an get their xp for looking off the ledge and think..."MAN THAT WAS FUN!!!".

I also think that while everyone is aching to move the trinity out of MMOs it really needs to be replaced with another system if some kind. Not just a button mashing free for all with no organized combat that just fell like a beatem up button mashing arcade game.

And regardless of what anyone says there really is not any endgame. PvP is not endgame...sorry but you can do that at around lvl 2 or something. So what do you do when you hit 80? With only a few dungeons (and no real rewards for doing them) and nothing else there is no reason to try and move up.

I'll give the devs one thing, they did try to make something different and my hats off to them for that. They didn't create another WoW clone and they do deserve respect for that. Still different can be better, worse or just different and in the case of GW2 it's just a different way of doing the same as every other MMO out there.....but it's not better.

This is just my opinion and I don't hate the game even though it might sound like, I just don't get the high scores for reviews and crazy fanboysuff claiming that this game is some kind of revaluation in mmos. Sure they do some things really well, had some cool ideas and they made a nice looking world with some cool art direction but it's not a revolution.

Well...:

Enjoying this change, besides, for me the character is just a tool for playing the game, it's not why I play such games, if I find some skills fun I will use them, reason why I never make alts.

They are, people hype them way too much, they're just normal grinding quests that get dynamically harder or a little more complex/different when there are more players around, but they change things a little, they contribute to fun grinding (that is mostly fun because of all the graphical bling and the chaos caused by multiple players).

You're missing the point entirely, you shouldn't enjoy them because you're getting experience, you should enjoy them "period", this is for people that actually appreciate good PvE and exploration.

Might be, imo it worked just fine, GW 2 is a mess because it's trying too hard to change that and even the devs had, overall, no idea what they wanted to do to be able to accomplish that, dungeons are a mess.

They want you to play the game how you want, if you want to continue playing after you got that dungeon(s) set you wanted, you'll just have to grind (like in any RPG not only MMOs) some mats in various zones that offer something to keep you occupied. The PvE endgame that people like to talk so much, the dungeon grind is just a time wasting obsession that I personally will never prefer or even call as a passable occupation. PvP is average at best in GW 2 tho and that small bit about level 80 once again tells me you completely missed the point of this entire game, level 80 is no different than level 1 in the scope of this game.

Game is great, it does however have some serious flaws and a lack of countless little things, dungeons suck bad (except a few sections, hopefully they understand how to make fun dungeons for the next dungeon). I mean seriously, the last dungeon is absolutely the worst gaming experience I ever had, the combat, the pahses, the story, the basic design of almost every single encounter in that dungeon, I don't know who the **** made that dungeon, but ever since I finished my personal story ( I absolutely loved the game before), now I can't even get the motivation to press the icon, forget about playing, there is however another reason v .

The main problem of the game right now is how broken it is, another new one for me, the most broken game I have ever played, it's a fact that anet doesn't want so many players enjoying their games in the long run (less stress on their servers), but at this point I don't know if they're already doing it on purpose or they're just ignorant enough to not do a single thing through this period of maximum popularity. I get games that get released with bugs, GW 2 however worked fine mostly at release, ever since, day by day without a single exception, it's getting worse, a lot worse, the only time things get momentarily better is when they reset the servers, one day after the sht is back, this is my main reason for not wanting to play anymore, hopefully it gets more stable after a few more weeks. They are being a bunch of amateurs when it comes to patch information and bug fixing.

im loving the discussion but i think TC could have placed this in a blog as well. just a suggestion

Well...:

Enjoying this change, besides, for me the character is just a tool for playing the game, it's not why I play such games, if I find some skills fun I will use them, reason why I never make alts.

They are, people hype them way too much, they're just normal grinding quests that get dynamically harder or a little more complex/different when there are more players around, but they change things a little, they contribute to fun grinding (that is mostly fun because of all the graphical bling and the chaos caused by multiple players).

You're missing the point entirely, you shouldn't enjoy them because you're getting experience, you should enjoy them "period", this is for people that actually appreciate good PvE and exploration.

Might be, imo it worked just fine, GW 2 is a mess because it's trying too hard to change that and even the devs had, overall, no idea what they wanted to do to be able to accomplish that, dungeons are a mess.

They want you to play the game how you want, if you want to continue playing after you got that dungeon(s) set you wanted, you'll just have to grind (like in any RPG not only MMOs) some mats in various zones that offer something to keep you occupied. The PvE endgame that people like to talk so much, the dungeon grind is just a time wasting obsession that I personally will never prefer or even call as a passable occupation. PvP is average at best in GW 2 tho and that small bit about level 80 once again tells me you completely missed the point of this entire game, level 80 is no different than level 1 in the scope of this game.

Game is great, it does however have some serious flaws and a lack of countless little things, dungeons suck bad (except a few sections, hopefully they understand how to make fun dungeons for the next dungeon). I mean seriously, the last dungeon is absolutely the worst gaming experience I ever had, the combat, the pahses, the story, the basic design of almost every single encounter in that dungeon, I don't know who the **** made that dungeon, but ever since I finished my personal story ( I absolutely loved the game before), now I can't even get the motivation to press the icon, forget about playing, there is however another reason v .

The main problem of the game right now is how broken it is, another new one for me, the most broken game I have ever played, it's a fact that anet doesn't want so many players enjoying their games in the long run (less stress on their servers), but at this point I don't know if they're already doing it on purpose or they're just ignorant enough to not do a single thing through this period of maximum popularity. I get games that get released with bugs, GW 2 however worked fine mostly at release, ever since, day by day without a single exception, it's getting worse, a lot worse, the only time things get momentarily better is when they reset the servers, one day after the sht is back, this is my main reason for not wanting to play anymore, hopefully it gets more stable after a few more weeks. They are being a bunch of amateurs when it comes to patch information and bug fixing.

DanielDust

You're missing the point entirely, you shouldn't enjoy them because you're getting experience, you should enjoy them "period", this is for people that actually appreciate good PvE and exploration.

DanielDust

I'm not missing anything. Exploration is great but not exploration for no reason. Running from square to square trying to find a way up a mountain for no reason other than xp is not great PvE or great exploration. It's nothing but a time sink.

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You're missing the point entirely, you shouldn't enjoy them because you're getting experience, you should enjoy them "period", this is for people that actually appreciate good PvE and exploration.

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I'm not missing anything. Exploration is great but not exploration for no reason. Running from square to square trying to find a way up a mountain for no reason other than xp is not great PvE or great exploration. It's nothing but a time sink.

It does in fact do a lot for the atmosphere of the game, PvE and exploration, PvE is not just dungeons, PvE is everything related to the world outside of PvP.

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You're missing the point entirely, you shouldn't enjoy them because you're getting experience, you should enjoy them "period", this is for people that actually appreciate good PvE and exploration.

DanielDust

I'm not missing anything. Exploration is great but not exploration for no reason. Running from square to square trying to find a way up a mountain for no reason other than xp is not great PvE or great exploration. It's nothing but a time sink.

It does in fact do a lot for the atmosphere of the game, PvE and exploration, PvE is not just dungeons, PvE is everything related to the world outside of PvP.

I understand what you're saying but I guess I don't look at it the same. I like taking in the world around me just not the way it's done in GW2.

I don't play Guild Wars 2. I some times rant myself. I sometimes decry rants. So, what I'm saying is. I have abolsolutely no skin in this game (investment in this topic.) That being said. I LOL'd when I read your post.

BSC was like, "Four hours to the weekend. What to do? What to do? I know. I'll start an argument on the Internet. Also...Half Life sucks. Games for Windows Live is awesome, and your mama is so stupid she got locked in a grocery store and starved to death."

Heh.

I don't play Guild Wars 2. I some times rant myself. I sometimes decry rants. So, what I'm saying is. I have abolsolutely no skin in this game (investment in this topic.) That being said. I LOL'd when I read your post.

BSC was like, "Four hours to the weekend. What to do? What to do? I know. I'll start an argument on the Internet. Also...Half Life sucks. Games for Windows Live is awesome, and your mama is so stupid she got locked in a grocery store and starved to death."

Heh.

Fire_Wa11

lol....not at all like that,

I just keep seeing all this hype/love and I'm confused as to what everyone is in love with. I own the game but find it decent at best...so I just don't understand.

It's a good game for sure, but it was really overhyped and it's nothing special. Guild Wars 1 managed to run along side other MMO's, I predict GW2 will do the same.

I feel the exact same way about the game. I honsestly didnt like it much about after a few hrs of play and just stopped. I think part of the reason it gets so much love is because it has no monthly fee. Seems petty I know, but alot of pc gamers here seem cheap to me.

Seems petty I know, but alot of pc gamers here seem cheap to me.Advid-Gamer

Solution? Don't get so hyped up and believe all the praise a game gets, form your own opinion. I don't understand why people say "I bought XX game and don't get the hype...it was supposed to be perfect and revolutionary!" I mean come on! There's reviews, previews and hundreds of hours of beta footage for you to see what it offers.

There is some bugs and technical issues but the good far outweighs the bad for GW2 imo.

Story is average and the bugs/technical issues are the things that could be better, but I really enjoyed everything else. The Art Design, the gameworld, the combat, the controls, the questing and how little it feels like GRINDING like in most mmos. The community also has been very helpful compared to other recent mmos.

Definatly can improve some aspects (and add more things in the future), but whats here right now is very playable and alot of fun. The fact that it is free is a plus, but its definatly not the only reason to enjoy the game (The game would be good weither it was free or 15$ a month imo).

Far from perfect but still a very good game. Not my GOTY for this year so far, but its in the top 5 I would say.

not everyone has to like the same things, personally im loving it

It was a "letdown" for me I suppose as well. My first 2 weeks with it were sooo amazing because it still had the "new MMO smell" at the time. My main character is only 46 and I just can't play anymore, I have no motivation. Getting to 80 seems pointless. The stories are pretty poor. The last dungeon I played was *very* meh. The PvP I think is fun but with one game mode gets pretty repetitive to me. WvW is meh, and end-game gear progression seems pointless except for aesthetics.

The FUNNEST part to me was the "secret" exploration zone after discovering all of Lion's Arch. Also, onto your point of Vista's, I LOVE Vista's :D. Daniel was right as far as Vista's in my perspective of them. I don't do them for the experience on my bar at all, I do them for the sake of doing them. I love trying to figure out the "puzzle" aspect of Vista's, although 99.99% of them are ridiculously easy, I always jump into one hoping for a fun exploration challenge.

Solution? Don't get so hyped up and believe all the praise a game gets, form your own opinion. I don't understand why people say "I bought XX game and don't get the hype...it was supposed to be perfect and revolutionary!" I mean come on! There's reviews, previews and hundreds of hours of beta footage for you to see what it offers.

cyborg100000

I was not hyped about it. I'm just saying I don't see what others think is so great about it.

I don't either, and people would recall I had rather lukewarm impressions of the game. In the end I didn't see enough to convince me, I mean I rather go play with pandas than bother with GW2. Although I really have no interest in either at this point.

I agree with this topic. The main problem with GW2 is that it has no mood/atmosphere. I feel like im playing a generic F2P MMO with high production values. 20 hours into the game and I have yet to feel interested in the world in any way. For a game that had such great concept art I was really surprised that they did such a terrible job of translating that "feel" into the game.

Thats the main reason I loved WoW. The environments were interesting to look at. Every couple of levels had a different feeling.

I agree with this topic. The main problem with GW2 is that it has no mood/atmosphere. I feel like im playing a generic F2P MMO with high production values. 20 hours into the game and I have yet to feel interested in the world in any way. For a game that had such great concept art I was really surprised that they did such a terrible job of translating that "feel" into the game.

Thats the main reason I loved WoW. The environments were interesting to look at. Every couple of levels had a different feeling.

hoola

Love the game, I think it deserves PC Game of the Year.

I don't understand the hate.....but oh well.

Tutorial on crafting would have been nice, but otherwise a big step forward for the genre.

And, I know from GW1 that A-net has an excellent track record for improving their game, I'm certain that will continue in GW2.

I think GW2 is a great game. I too only played it for a few weeks before I moved to other games, but I enjoyed these weeks and totally got my 60 $ back. I think this is the most important thing about a game, enjoying the journey and having your money worth. Since the game is b2p, you can alway come back. Guild wars 1 was exactly like that and this is why I enjoyed it too.

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I've had no problems with the game.DanielDust

This post bother me. He said "he" had no problem with the game and you call his opinion a lie??? It's easy to overhype a game, but it's even more to overhate like you did in your long post, acting like GW2 is completely unplayable and unenjoyable to everyone.

There's nothing for you to "get", you are just being you. You have your own criterias, others have their own.

What I don't get is why are people concerned that they don't enjoy the same games other people are? Are we supposed to have a collective consensus and tastes? :D

You are basically asking why some prefer brunettes and others blonde.

There's nothing for you to "get", you are just being you. You have your own criterias, others have their own.

What I don't get is why are people concerned that they don't enjoy the same games other people are? Are we supposed to have a collective consensus and tastes? :D

You are basically asking why some prefer brunettes and others blonde.

mirgamer

As for me, Guild Wars 2 was extremely fun at the beginning but the fun factor has diminished quite a bit. The more I've played it, the more I see its flaws, but as it still stands it's a good game.

One major gripe I have is the weapon skill system. It's nice to equip a weapon and you have to earn weapon skills for it.. but it gets really boring using the same set of weapons skills at lvl 5, as you would at lvl 80. It would have been better if, for example, at lvl 10, you unlock 3 more weapon skills for 1h-sword, and at lvl 20, you unlock 3 more, at lvl 35 - 5 more weapon skills and so on. And they should all be slot skills. I like being able to pick my own skills to customize it to my playstyle instead of being stuck with the same old weapon skills for 80 levels. This weapon skill system really holds back professions like elementalist, but I'll save that for a blog.

I guess I knew what I was getting into before i bought the game so I shouldn't complain about it, but I loved GW1 a lot and I couldn't pass up on Guild Wars 2 albeit they are different games now.

This post bother me. He said "he" had no problem with the game and you call his opinion a lie??? It's easy to overhype a game, but it's even more to overhate like you did in your long post, acting like GW2 is completely unplayable and unenjoyable to everyone.Franko_3

As for the opinion of not experiencing bugs, that is not an opinion, that is a "don't want to notice them", there were and still are so many bugs, you experience them in everything you do and I mean everything, these are not just random problems that are cased by random PC configurations, these were game database problems.

With a game so broken I won't accept any random "not my problem", even if you'd avoid every single broken event (event, heart, sp) and call it not your problem, you'd still be affected multiple times by the trade post that barely functioned till last week, it was down way more than up.

Start playing with an active guild, go on hidden treasure hunts and jump quests, partake in crafting, etc. I find it a breath of fresh air to not be tied bdown and held by the hand in an MMO, where the market for that gametype is all of the same thing....quest hubs in linear fashions, treadmill gear grinds, and then raid your ass off for no reason until the next expansion hits. In gw2 I can do whatever the hell I want when I want and not be punished for it. I can make my character however I want. The best part IMO is the combat not being cookiee cutter. That's why people like it. ArenaNet had the balls to do new things in an area overflowing with the same old tripe we've seen for decades

[QUOTE="Franko_3"]This post bother me. He said "he" had no problem with the game and you call his opinion a lie??? It's easy to overhype a game, but it's even more to overhate like you did in your long post, acting like GW2 is completely unplayable and unenjoyable to everyone.DanielDust

As for the opinion of not experiencing bugs, that is not an opinion, that is a "don't want to notice them", there were and still are so many bugs, you experience them in everything you do and I mean everything, these are not just random problems that are cased by random PC configurations, these were game database problems.

With a game so broken I won't accept any random "not my problem", even if you'd avoid every single broken event (event, heart, sp) and call it not your problem, you'd still be affected multiple times by the trade post that barely functioned till last week, it was down way more than up.

[QUOTE="cyborg100000"]

Solution? Don't get so hyped up and believe all the praise a game gets, form your own opinion. I don't understand why people say "I bought XX game and don't get the hype...it was supposed to be perfect and revolutionary!" I mean come on! There's reviews, previews and hundreds of hours of beta footage for you to see what it offers.

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I was not hyped about it. I'm just saying I don't see what others think is so great about it.

9.5 for this trash? omg no wonder this was such a crappy year for video games. you little sheep are eating up all the junk this industry throws at you.SkyWard20

[QUOTE="Allicrombie"] I've had no problems with the game.DanielDust

Iv had no problem with the game either. Ring of Fire EU server.

The main problem of the game right now is how broken it is, another new one for me, the most broken game I have ever played, it's a fact that anet doesn't want so many players enjoying their games in the long run (less stress on their servers), but at this point I don't know if they're already doing it on purpose or they're just ignorant enough to not do a single thing through this period of maximum popularity. I get games that get released with bugs, GW 2 however worked fine mostly at release, ever since, day by day without a single exception, it's getting worse, a lot worse, the only time things get momentarily better is when they reset the servers, one day after the sht is back, this is my main reason for not wanting to play anymore, hopefully it gets more stable after a few more weeks. They are being a bunch of amateurs when it comes to patch information and bug fixing.DanielDust

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[QUOTE="cyborg100000"]

Solution? Don't get so hyped up and believe all the praise a game gets, form your own opinion. I don't understand why people say "I bought XX game and don't get the hype...it was supposed to be perfect and revolutionary!" I mean come on! There's reviews, previews and hundreds of hours of beta footage for you to see what it offers.

SkyWard20

I was not hyped about it. I'm just saying I don't see what others think is so great about it.

But why does it take the game to be released, for you to go out and buy it, only then to realise it's below the standards claimed by fans - not even NCSoft or decent critics - just fans? It was 100% clear what the game's going to be like from the beta and there's many people who gave a down to earth view of what the game would be like.

[QUOTE="DanielDust"]The main problem of the game right now is how broken it is, another new one for me, the most broken game I have ever played, it's a fact that anet doesn't want so many players enjoying their games in the long run (less stress on their servers), but at this point I don't know if they're already doing it on purpose or they're just ignorant enough to not do a single thing through this period of maximum popularity. I get games that get released with bugs, GW 2 however worked fine mostly at release, ever since, day by day without a single exception, it's getting worse, a lot worse, the only time things get momentarily better is when they reset the servers, one day after the sht is back, this is my main reason for not wanting to play anymore, hopefully it gets more stable after a few more weeks. They are being a bunch of amateurs when it comes to patch information and bug fixing.PetJel

[QUOTE="PetJel"][QUOTE="DanielDust"]The main problem of the game right now is how broken it is, another new one for me, the most broken game I have ever played, it's a fact that anet doesn't want so many players enjoying their games in the long run (less stress on their servers), but at this point I don't know if they're already doing it on purpose or they're just ignorant enough to not do a single thing through this period of maximum popularity. I get games that get released with bugs, GW 2 however worked fine mostly at release, ever since, day by day without a single exception, it's getting worse, a lot worse, the only time things get momentarily better is when they reset the servers, one day after the sht is back, this is my main reason for not wanting to play anymore, hopefully it gets more stable after a few more weeks. They are being a bunch of amateurs when it comes to patch information and bug fixing.DanielDust

and yet it's one of the smoothest MMO releases ever

and yet it's one of the smoothest MMO releases everwis3boi

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]and yet it's one of the smoothest MMO releases everDanielDust

It will get better......compare the original GW with how it turned out even just a couple years later, major improvements on all fronts.

Yes, I've run into some bugs but I guarantee most will be addressed within a month or so. The 9/25 already removed the bug on Skrit Boss Skill Point in Queensland, which was the only thing preventing me from finishing area.

[QUOTE="DanielDust"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]and yet it's one of the smoothest MMO releases everAFBrat77

It will get better......compare the original GW with how it turned out even just a couple years later, major improvements on all fronts.

Yes, I've run into some bugs but I guarantee most will be addressed within a month or so. The 9/25 already removed the bug on Skrit Boss Skill Point in Queensland, which was the only thing preventing me from finishing area.

It was fun levelling to 80 and messing with dungeons and pvp. But I've stopped playing it now too. Didn't they say somewhere that they even expect some people to leave until expansion hits?

Anyway since I'm not paying monthly I feel like a pay once game, its definitely pretty good.

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[QUOTE="DanielDust"] It was, it's also the first MMO ever to get worse after launch instead of better. Speaking of broken, you just broke this page with your gif.DanielDust

It will get better......compare the original GW with how it turned out even just a couple years later, major improvements on all fronts.

Yes, I've run into some bugs but I guarantee most will be addressed within a month or so. The 9/25 already removed the bug on Skrit Boss Skill Point in Queensland, which was the only thing preventing me from finishing area.

Its a great shallow experiance, but that is about it. That light, fluffy journey masks the underlying BAD overall design that keeps most of its aspects lasting alot longer. After level 30 character progression becomes near non existant. as mentioned by Daniel Dust the other various problems rear their ugly head. But hey" no monthly fee right :roll:"

I just don't get that you spent all this time to write this because you don't like a game.

Its a great shallow experiance, but that is about it. That light, fluffy journey masks the underlying BAD overall design that keeps most of its aspects lasting alot longer. After level 30 character progression becomes near non existant. as mentioned by Daniel Dust the other various problems rear their ugly head. But hey" no monthly fee right :roll:"

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