i5 2500k vs i7 2600k

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#1 Roland123_basic
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Benchmarks

which do you prefer?

how is the i5 beating out the i7 in 40% of the games when it is the (slightly) inferior processor? doesnt make any sense to me.... -100mhz (doesnt matter) and -2mb cache (matters quite a bit) and it is 100 dollars cheaper than the i7...... seems like the i5 2500k is going to be the new C2D E8400 and best price to performance upgrade this gen.

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#2 Daytona_178
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Funnily enough the 2500k matches the 2600k in games performance because HT hinders game performance.

2500k FTW!

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#3 Roland123_basic
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Funnily enough the 2500k matches the 2600k in games performance because HT hinders game performance.

2500k FTW!

Daytona_178

ahhhh.... for some reason i did not catch that the i5 2500k has no HT while the i7 2600k does.... hmmm, 100 dollars for HT seems flippin absurd, but not suprising coming from intel.

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Funnily enough the 2500k matches the 2600k in games performance because HT hinders game performance.

2500k FTW!

Daytona_178

You can turn off HT if you want, but HT is so much better if you use program that can use more threads.

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#5 Roland123_basic
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[QUOTE="Daytona_178"]

Funnily enough the 2500k matches the 2600k in games performance because HT hinders game performance.

2500k FTW!

aroxx_ab

You can turn off HT if you want, but HT is so much better if you use program that can use more threads.

that still doesnt explain why a processor that is 100 dollars more is getting beaten by the i5, or only winning by 2-4fps.... seems like the i7 2600k is a gimmick to get more money.

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#6 deathxxshark
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No, HT is not a gimmick. You're only comparing them in gaming performance. What about things like folding@home, Photoshop or video editing? The i7 2600k will wreck the i5 2500k at these tasks. And whoever above who said HT hinders game performance, that is only true in games that don't support multiple cores. I can't even think of a recent PC game that only uses a single thread (and by recent, I mean in the last few years).
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No, HT is not a gimmick. You're only comparing them in gaming performance. What about things like folding@home, Photoshop or video editing? The i7 2600k will wreck the i5 2500k at these tasks. And whoever above who said HT hinders game performance, that is only true in games that don't support multiple cores. I can't even think of a recent PC game that only uses a single thread (and by recent, I mean in the last few years).deathxxshark
SHOCKER... im comparing gaming performance on a gaming website!?!?! unheard of. never said HT was a gimmick, i said the i7 2600k seems like a gimmick.

crysis, designed for multiple cores from day one.....i7 loses to i5. please explain this if HT helps multicore configured games:

crysis bench

and as for video encoding.....:

video encoding

i wouldnt exactly call that the i7 2600k DESTROYING the i5....

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#8 deathxxshark
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The video encoding software wasn't specified. It might not have supported Hyperthreading. And look at the other graphs from that same site you took this from (Especially the Flash video creation times and Visual studio compiling times. File compression also yields a notable difference) And I just did some research. you were right about the games not benefiting from more threads, but performance isn't decreased by HT either. (MY BAD, GEEZ :P) I don't think the 2500k is actually beating the 2600k in some games (and vice versa); the difference is only about 3 fps in each test. I think there is some margin of error in these tests where a 3 fps difference wouldn't be significant at all (The game benchmarks are really there just to evaluate GPU performance). I say the two CPUs are exactly the same in games.
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Can you please show me some evidence that Crysis runs any better on a Quad core than on a dual-core of the same architecture? I thought it was established a long time ago that it really only utilizes 2 cores.

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#11 deathxxshark
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This thread isn't really about multiple cores, but about hyperthreading. But to answer your question, older games from over a couple years ago didn't benefit at all from quad cores; but now most recent games do benefit by a good amount. Battlefield Bad Company 2 is a good example, with performance increases almost double comparing dual to quad core. Crysis is an example of a game that does not support quad core processors. Most dual cores will bottleneck high end graphics cards too, especially in systems with multiple cards.
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#12 James161324
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The i7 is way better for viedo editing and encoding and what not. Hyper threading is usefull for that. Hyper threading is worthless for games, as no dev wants to waste there time on something a small percent of their install base has. For gaming power the i5 is just as powerfull as the i7 and i don't think that will ever change

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#13 demonic_85
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I bought the i5-2500k over the i7-2600k because HT isnt worth an extra $100 to me. Other than the HT they are practically the same processor.

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#14 Hekynn
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2500k cause of the price. and I Don't need Hyper Threads for just doing gaming and watching media on netflix youtube etc.
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[QUOTE="deathxxshark"]No, HT is not a gimmick. You're only comparing them in gaming performance. What about things like folding@home, Photoshop or video editing? The i7 2600k will wreck the i5 2500k at these tasks. And whoever above who said HT hinders game performance, that is only true in games that don't support multiple cores. I can't even think of a recent PC game that only uses a single thread (and by recent, I mean in the last few years).Roland123_basic

SHOCKER... im comparing gaming performance on a gaming website!?!?! unheard of. never said HT was a gimmick, i said the i7 2600k seems like a gimmick.

crysis, designed for multiple cores from day one.....i7 loses to i5. please explain this if HT helps multicore configured games:

crysis bench

and as for video encoding.....:

video encoding

i wouldnt exactly call that the i7 2600k DESTROYING the i5....

You picked a bad bechy

Here look

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You picked a bad bechy

Here look

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Isnt that a synthetic test?

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#17 Roland123_basic
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100 dollars for HT...... i mean intel is know for having more expensive procs but that just seems absurd.
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#18 JigglyWiggly_
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100 dollars for HT...... i mean intel is know for having more expensive procs but that just seems absurd.Roland123_basic
Well worth it for me... I eventually throw my old desktop parts into my server, and 8 threads is sexy.
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[QUOTE="Roland123_basic"]100 dollars for HT...... i mean intel is know for having more expensive procs but that just seems absurd.JigglyWiggly_
Well worth it for me... I eventually throw my old desktop parts into my server, and 8 threads is sexy.

for all of the video encoding that you do? rofl... i cant see anyone actually needing HT unless they are part of a pirate group that seeds movies and music, or more than just a hobbyist when it comes to 3D rendering.
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#20 Myzz617
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Video encoding LOL. I use software to do that and leave it over night wake up in the AM and I can have 8 movies converted! Have not tried the 1080P conversion but yea you dont need a special processor to encode video unless you work as a developer or something for a multimedia company. I5 2500K looks good. Its obv it is just marketing BS

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[QUOTE="aroxx_ab"]

[QUOTE="Daytona_178"]

Funnily enough the 2500k matches the 2600k in games performance because HT hinders game performance.

2500k FTW!

Roland123_basic

You can turn off HT if you want, but HT is so much better if you use program that can use more threads.

that still doesnt explain why a processor that is 100 dollars more is getting beaten by the i5, or only winning by 2-4fps.... seems like the i7 2600k is a gimmick to get more money.

Probably because they are the same chips and maybe intel just try to make six cores all the time and if any cores are bad they lock it to a quad-core hence the price difference? I don't know but that's how AMD works plus most games are barely optimized for quad-core and CPU means very little in most games so the results being based on gaming is pointless as if you tested it on a hugely CPU based test then you'd see clear differences especially since the i7 has HT but since this thread was about gaming it doesnt really matter but the truth is CPU's mean little when it comes to FPS in games especially when half the games coming out are only optimized for dual-core with minimal optimization for quad-core and virtually none for hex chips.

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#22 JigglyWiggly_
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[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"][QUOTE="Roland123_basic"]100 dollars for HT...... i mean intel is know for having more expensive procs but that just seems absurd.Roland123_basic
Well worth it for me... I eventually throw my old desktop parts into my server, and 8 threads is sexy.

for all of the video encoding that you do? rofl... i cant see anyone actually needing HT unless they are part of a pirate group that seeds movies and music, or more than just a hobbyist when it comes to 3D rendering.

Make an adobe after effects render farmz, throw encodings onto there, or sine I have like 10 virtual machines on my server, I can do nice load balancing.
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#23 Roland123_basic
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[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"][QUOTE="Roland123_basic"][QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"] Well worth it for me... I eventually throw my old desktop parts into my server, and 8 threads is sexy.

for all of the video encoding that you do? rofl... i cant see anyone actually needing HT unless they are part of a pirate group that seeds movies and music, or more than just a hobbyist when it comes to 3D rendering.

Make an adobe after effects render farmz, throw encodings onto there, or sine I have like 10 virtual machines on my server, I can do nice load balancing.

is this english?
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#25 JigglyWiggly_
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[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"][QUOTE="Roland123_basic"] for all of the video encoding that you do? rofl... i cant see anyone actually needing HT unless they are part of a pirate group that seeds movies and music, or more than just a hobbyist when it comes to 3D rendering.Roland123_basic
Make an adobe after effects render farmz, throw encodings onto there, or sine I have like 10 virtual machines on my server, I can do nice load balancing.

is this english?

nou

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[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"][QUOTE="Roland123_basic"][QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"] Make an adobe after effects render farmz, throw encodings onto there, or sine I have like 10 virtual machines on my server, I can do nice load balancing.

nou is this english?

..... eh?
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#27 JigglyWiggly_
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[QUOTE="Roland123_basic"][QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"][QUOTE="Roland123_basic"] nou is this english?

..... eh?

I think this will clear things up http://encyclopediadramatica.com/NO_U