if i have a 7200 RPM HDD

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#1 Jdbucc
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would it be faster to get multiple smaller hard drives and set up a raid 0 and is it going to bottleneck my system and if so by how much?
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#2 belboz
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RAID 0 will improve read and write performance. The HDD is in itself a huge bottleneck, so no - making a RAID 0 will not bottlenet your PC.

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#3 Jdbucc
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what i meant was will raid 0 make up for the existing bottleneck...im getting a core i7 but non hdd drives still seem way expensive at the moment.
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#4 rock_solid
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i have 2 hard drives in raid 0....and they are about 60% faster than before they were raid 0
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#5 Jdbucc
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do you use the WD black or do u recomend something else....so far I have heard the black is the best to get for a raid setup
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#6 rock_solid
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mine are seagate barracuda 7200.10

but i'm sure other drives are fine too

and just so you know, my 60% number isn't just a made up number. i measured before and after with HD Tune

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#7 rock_solid
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i think raid 0 is a great way to have fast drives until the prices of SSDs come down. just remember every time you add a drive to the array, you increase the chance of losing all your data, since it only takes one to fail to mess things up. but you can back up your most important stuff every now and then to be safe. that's what i do.
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#8 Jdbucc
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i am getting an external drive that i will have all my important stuff backed up on.
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#9 rock_solid
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i am getting an external drive that i will have all my important stuff backed up on.Jdbucc
cool that's what i do too a good backup program is syncbackpro
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#10 Jdbucc
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have you ever actually lost your information using raid?
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#11 rock_solid
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have you ever actually lost your information using raid?Jdbucc
nope i've had no problems at all.

my computer came with 2 drives in raid 1. that's where the drives are copies of eachother. it's cool, but i didn't really need it. so i broke the raid and had 2 independent drives.

later i learned how raid 0 could speed things up by making the drives work together. i figured i'd try it. what's really cool is i used intel matrix storage manager console and it let me migrate to raid 0 without losing any data. but to do this, you need a lot of free space on the drives. also, this is done from within windows, not the bios.

another cool thing, is that with just 2 drives, you could do raid 0 and raid 1 on them at the same time...like half of the disk space could be used for raid 0 and the other half raid 1. i don't do that, but i've read about it. this might just be available for intel raids..i'm not sure.

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#12 rock_solid
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if you do the raid 1 and raid 0 at the same time on 2 drives, it's called a "matrix raid" http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=206&pgno=0
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#13 Captain__Tripps
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mine are seagate barracuda 7200.10

but i'm sure other drives are fine too

and just so you know, my 60% number isn't just a made up number. i measured before and after with HD Tune

rock_solid
That may be, but it doesn't make your computer 60% faster or even close, but your chances of losing all your data increases 2x if not more.
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#14 rock_solid
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[QUOTE="rock_solid"]

mine are seagate barracuda 7200.10

but i'm sure other drives are fine too

and just so you know, my 60% number isn't just a made up number. i measured before and after with HD Tune

Captain__Tripps
That may be, but it doesn't make your computer 60% faster or even close, but your chances of losing all your data increases 2x if not more.

who said my computer is 60% faster? certainly wasn't me. i said my drives are 60% faster.
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Yeah, but it makes little difference but makes you far more likely to lose all your data, was just pointing that out. Even if you have data backed up still a pain losing your OS drive, unless you are also doing image backups which most people don't bother with.
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#16 JigglyWiggly_
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Yeah, but it makes little difference but makes you far more likely to lose all your data, was just pointing that out. Even if you have data backed up still a pain losing your OS drive, unless you are also doing image backups which most people don't bother with. Captain__Tripps
Uhm, I lose my OS more than a normal person and it's no biggie, just another 30 minutes. Oh and it does make a big difference, 3x320s in RAID 0 is fast :D I also backup with dropbox and I store all my files onto my server daily(robocopy). 6x500 hds in RAID 5 is fun :D I use 2x500s for the OS for it though.
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#17 Jdbucc
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here is what im thinking small hard drive for OS (just enough to boot basically) Raid 0 for games etc (1 - 2 TB) external drive for important files
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#18 JigglyWiggly_
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here is what im thinking small hard drive for OS (just enough to boot basically) Raid 0 for games etc (1 - 2 TB) external drive for important filesJdbucc
What's the point of huge volumes with RAID 0? Get like 2x500s or something. Then 3x1tb in RAID 5 or something and backup to that. I don't like people who backup to external drives, they go bad too. Though feel free to make a backup of the RAID 5 volume with an externel drive or something.

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#19 Jdbucc
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no 1 - 2 tb total volume not each
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[QUOTE="rock_solid"]

mine are seagate barracuda 7200.10

but i'm sure other drives are fine too

and just so you know, my 60% number isn't just a made up number. i measured before and after with HD Tune

Captain__Tripps
That may be, but it doesn't make your computer 60% faster or even close, but your chances of losing all your data increases 2x if not more.

I guess technically it doubles your chance of loosing information, but I look at it the same way as how buying 2 lottery tickets doubles your chances of winning. I feel people should keep their information backed up regardless of RAID.
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#21 JigglyWiggly_
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[QUOTE="Captain__Tripps"][QUOTE="rock_solid"]

mine are seagate barracuda 7200.10

but i'm sure other drives are fine too

and just so you know, my 60% number isn't just a made up number. i measured before and after with HD Tune

opamando
That may be, but it doesn't make your computer 60% faster or even close, but your chances of losing all your data increases 2x if not more.

I guess technically it doubles your chance of loosing information, but I look at it the same way as how buying 2 lottery tickets doubles your chances of winning. I feel people should keep their information backed up regardless of RAID.

Except there is a much higher chance of a hard drive failing.
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[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"][QUOTE="opamando"][QUOTE="Captain__Tripps"] That may be, but it doesn't make your computer 60% faster or even close, but your chances of losing all your data increases 2x if not more.

I guess technically it doubles your chance of loosing information, but I look at it the same way as how buying 2 lottery tickets doubles your chances of winning. I feel people should keep their information backed up regardless of RAID.

Except there is a much higher chance of a hard drive failing.

Heh, a lottery analogy. The only difference is almost nobody wins the lottery, but100% of every pc user has experienced a hard drive failure. (unless you are a new pc user) I would also agree that if you have valuable data on your PC you should backup regardless, but doubling your chaces of hd failure for a few seconds gained in your load times doesn't make a lot fo sense to me, but the TC is obviously able to do what he wants but some might not even be aware that a single hd failure results in the raid going six feet under.
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#23 opamando
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[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"][QUOTE="opamando"] I guess technically it doubles your chance of loosing information, but I look at it the same way as how buying 2 lottery tickets doubles your chances of winning. I feel people should keep their information backed up regardless of RAID. Captain__Tripps
Except there is a much higher chance of a hard drive failing.

Heh, a lottery analogy. The only difference is almost nobody wins the lottery, but100% of every pc user has experienced a hard drive failure. (unless you are a new pc user) I would also agree that if you have valuable data on your PC you should backup regardless, but doubling your chaces of hd failure for a few seconds gained in your load times doesn't make a lot fo sense to me, but the TC is obviously able to do what he wants but some might not even be aware that a single hd failure results in the raid going six feet under.

So what is the difference if the single hard drive you get is the one that is going to go in RAID, that is why I said it is like the lottery in doubling your chances.

The way I see it is yes, hard drives are all going to die, it is just a question of is it in 2 weeks or 2 decades. So why not just backup your important information and run as many hard drives in RAID as you can?

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#24 JigglyWiggly_
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[QUOTE="Captain__Tripps"][QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"] Except there is a much higher chance of a hard drive failing.opamando

Heh, a lottery analogy. The only difference is almost nobody wins the lottery, but100% of every pc user has experienced a hard drive failure. (unless you are a new pc user) I would also agree that if you have valuable data on your PC you should backup regardless, but doubling your chaces of hd failure for a few seconds gained in your load times doesn't make a lot fo sense to me, but the TC is obviously able to do what he wants but some might not even be aware that a single hd failure results in the raid going six feet under.

So what is the difference if the single hard drive you get is the one that is going to go in RAID, that is why I said it is like the lottery in doubling your chances.

The way I see it is yes, hard drives are all going to die, it is just a question of is it in 2 weeks or 2 decades. So why not just backup your important information and run as many hard drives in RAID as you can?

Because it is a hassle to constantly rebuild the array(if we are talking about RAID 5) If you are doing RAID 0, that will just become a pain, and the performance increase diminishes unless you spend a lot on a good RAID controller. After 3 hds in RAID 0, onboard can't do much more.