I'm starting to hate PC gaming !!!

With recent news/posts concerning CoD MW2 not having Dedicated servers & no mod support ....

I'm starting to hate the way this industry is going, &mainly on the PC platform. This gen have it's + & - sides , but the - sides are hard to accept.

Crappy & buggy ports.

Unfinished releases.

DLCs getting out of control .... there are 1st day release DLCs !!!!!

Digital Download is becoming the norm, you can no longer find PC shelves full anymore (you'll rarely find a game that you want)

SC2 to drop LAN, & user created Maps will be offered by Blizzard for $$$

IW to stop using Dedicated Servers & stop the modding community & using a P2P matchmaking system on an FPS Game !!!

Every multiplatform game is getting dumped down to consoles.

Piracy Topics/Threads/Blogs are destroying this industry as well .

discuss .

Crappy & buggy ports.

I didn't really bough the pc to play some crappy ports. Also people act like it is a big deal, but it was always like this ex:- FF7/8, MGS 1/2 etc. This gen in fact ports have increased in quality a lot

Unfinished releases.

like what ? if you mean buggy --- it's a always been there due to so many different configurations

DLCs getting out of control .... there are 1st day release DLCs !!!!!

don't buy them , they are hardly necessary

Digital Download is becoming the norm, you can no longer find PC shelves full anymore (you'll rarely find a game that you want)

what's so bad about this ? in countries like germany etc shelves are filled with pc games. also if you want retail version there is always amazon

SC2 to drop LAN, & user created Maps will be offered by Blizzard for $$$

there will be a form of LAN which requires online auth. and it will be the users will put the price tag on the map and not blizzard

IW to stop using Dedicated Servers & stop the modding community & using a P2P matchmaking system on an FPS Game !!!

oooh.. it means all companies will do that now

Every multiplatform game is getting dumped down to consoles.

depends on the lead platform -- risen for example will not be

Piracy Topics/Threads/Blogs are destroying this industry as well .

umm.. no

discuss .

Shatilov

[QUOTE="Shatilov"]

Crappy & buggy ports.

I didn't really bough the pc to play some crappy ports

Unfinished releases.

like what ? if you mean buggy --- it's a always been there due to so many different configurations

DLCs getting out of control .... there are 1st day release DLCs !!!!!

don't buy them , they are hardly necessary

Digital Download is becoming the norm, you can no longer find PC shelves full anymore (you'll rarely find a game that you want)

what's so bad about this ? in countries like germany etc shelves are filled with pc games. also if you want retail version there is always amazon

SC2 to drop LAN, & user created Maps will be offered by Blizzard for $$$

there will be a form of LAN which requires online auth. and it will be the users will put the price tag on the map and not blizzard

IW to stop using Dedicated Servers & stop the modding community & using a P2P matchmaking system on an FPS Game !!!

oooh.. it means all companies will do that now

Every multiplatform game is getting dumped down to consoles.

depends on the lead platform -- risen for example will not be

Piracy Topics/Threads/Blogs are destroying this industry as well .

umm.. no

discuss .

naval

we still have valve and blizzard games :)not all bad.

With recent news/posts concerning CoD MW2 not having Dedicated servers & no mod support ....

I'm starting to hate the way this industry is going, &mainly on the PC platform. This gen have it's + & - sides , but the - sides are hard to accept.

Crappy & buggy ports.

Unfinished releases.

DLCs getting out of control .... there are 1st day release DLCs !!!!!

Digital Download is becoming the norm, you can no longer find PC shelves full anymore (you'll rarely find a game that you want)

SC2 to drop LAN, & user created Maps will be offered by Blizzard for $$$

IW to stop using Dedicated Servers & stop the modding community & using a P2P matchmaking system on an FPS Game !!!

Every multiplatform game is getting dumped down to consoles.

Piracy Topics/Threads/Blogs are destroying this industry as well .

discuss .

Shatilov

a console wouldn't solve the problems just for info

I love PC gaming it's great, way better than when I started 10 years ago, I have more games I like to play, they feel and look better etc

but the PC community is beyond abysmal

Digital downloads should only be used as a last resort. 99% of the complaints about games on Google, have to do with problems with DD.

As for the games - the industry is absolutely going downhill. By concentrating on "online" games, the overall quality of games keeps getting worse and worse, reulting in 4 hour experiences in the single player aspect with online maps that people get quickly bored with, or servers that die out (sometimes quickly) - all for full price.

Don't even get me started about the childish ad campaigns, once great companies like Bioware are now starting to use. . . I mean . . Marilyn Manson?

Really?

[QUOTE="Shatilov"]

With recent news/posts concerning CoD MW2 not having Dedicated servers & no mod support ....

I'm starting to hate the way this industry is going, &mainly on the PC platform. This gen have it's + & - sides , but the - sides are hard to accept.

Crappy & buggy ports.

Unfinished releases.

DLCs getting out of control .... there are 1st day release DLCs !!!!!

Digital Download is becoming the norm, you can no longer find PC shelves full anymore (you'll rarely find a game that you want)

SC2 to drop LAN, & user created Maps will be offered by Blizzard for $$$

IW to stop using Dedicated Servers & stop the modding community & using a P2P matchmaking system on an FPS Game !!!

Every multiplatform game is getting dumped down to consoles.

Piracy Topics/Threads/Blogs are destroying this industry as well .

discuss .

SLIisaownsystem

a console wouldn't solve the problems just for info

Hate is a STRONG word. I still love PC Gaming, but of course nothing is perfect.

But to me Piracy is the biggest reason/cause of why PC Gaming isn't as great as it should be. I don't mind paying $40 or soto play a good/great game. That is all I have.

Digital downloads should only be used as a last resort. 99% of the complaints about games on Google, have to do with problems with DD.Born_Lucky

Really? You are stating that Digital Distribution is 99% of the complaints on google regarding PC gaming? It isn't hardware incompatability, bugs present in games, driver issues, online connectivity issues, general lack of features promised by the developer, OS incompatability? Well guess if I remove steam off of my system I'll only even have to worry about 1% of these complaints now?

Logic is something that an absent minded fool would discredit....

We need to stop buying games there in total and kill that menace.stele29

Hate is a STRONG word. I still love PC Gaming, but of course nothing is perfect.

But to me Piracy is the biggest reason/cause of why PC Gaming isn't as great as it should be. I don't mind paying $40 or soto play a good/great game. That is all I have.

GPAddict

[QUOTE="Shatilov"]

Crappy & buggy ports.

I didn't really bough the pc to play some crappy ports. Also people act like it is a big deal, but it was always like this ex:- FF7/8, MGS 1/2 etc. This gen in fact ports have increased in quality a lot

Unfinished releases.

like what ? if you mean buggy --- it's a always been there due to so many different configurations

DLCs getting out of control .... there are 1st day release DLCs !!!!!

don't buy them , they are hardly necessary

Digital Download is becoming the norm, you can no longer find PC shelves full anymore (you'll rarely find a game that you want)

what's so bad about this ? in countries like germany etc shelves are filled with pc games. also if you want retail version there is always amazon

SC2 to drop LAN, & user created Maps will be offered by Blizzard for $$$

there will be a form of LAN which requires online auth. and it will be the users will put the price tag on the map and not blizzard

IW to stop using Dedicated Servers & stop the modding community & using a P2P matchmaking system on an FPS Game !!!

oooh.. it means all companies will do that now

Every multiplatform game is getting dumped down to consoles.

depends on the lead platform -- risen for example will not be

Piracy Topics/Threads/Blogs are destroying this industry as well .

umm.. no

discuss .

naval

I too am getting tired of something, ****ts, ever since somebody heard some rumors that they can't fully comprehend yet, about MW 2, the internet went dumb, now everyone is a genius, developers did this with every game since 7 years ago and now somehow people started to hate it and all the games in the future will work as the rumored MW 2 (sarcasm), developers won't make games for PC anymore, there's a new word that just appeared on the internet 2 days ago, DLC, Blizzard will sell maps that they won't even be making (you gotta love the idiots that still didn't understand what Blizzard said about mods, maps, community and money), SC 2 has no LAN support because everyone plays on LAN now and doesn't have internet to activate the actual LAN features, digital download is the devil and surprisingly lazy people can't think because it's impossible to use the lazy method for getting games, ordering retail online, nooo it's too hard, no mod support, now suddenly no games will ever have mods from now on because a game that doesn't need mods won't have them, a game that had only crap modes that nobody really wanted, reason why they are so "popular", etc...

You gotta love some ****ts. Seriously take some chill pills, drink some water, breath some fresh air and calm down, get a console if that's what you want.

[QUOTE="naval"]

[QUOTE="Shatilov"]

Crappy & buggy ports.

I didn't really bough the pc to play some crappy ports. Also people act like it is a big deal, but it was always like this ex:- FF7/8, MGS 1/2 etc. This gen in fact ports have increased in quality a lot

Unfinished releases.

like what ? if you mean buggy --- it's a always been there due to so many different configurations

DLCs getting out of control .... there are 1st day release DLCs !!!!!

don't buy them , they are hardly necessary

Digital Download is becoming the norm, you can no longer find PC shelves full anymore (you'll rarely find a game that you want)

what's so bad about this ? in countries like germany etc shelves are filled with pc games. also if you want retail version there is always amazon

SC2 to drop LAN, & user created Maps will be offered by Blizzard for $$$

there will be a form of LAN which requires online auth. and it will be the users will put the price tag on the map and not blizzard

IW to stop using Dedicated Servers & stop the modding community & using a P2P matchmaking system on an FPS Game !!!

oooh.. it means all companies will do that now

Every multiplatform game is getting dumped down to consoles.

depends on the lead platform -- risen for example will not be

Piracy Topics/Threads/Blogs are destroying this industry as well .

umm.. no

discuss .

DanielDust

It's all thanks to Microsoft. I'm not sure who said it, but it was here at Gamespot. They said that Microsoft is the worst thing to happen to gaming since the videogame crash in 83. At first I did't know what they were talking about, but now I'm starting to get it.

It all started with Microsoft wanting to charge for Mods in Left for Dead 2 on 360.

It's all thanks to Microsoft. I'm not sure who said it, but it was here at Gamespot. They said that Microsoft is the worst thing to happen to gaming since the videogame crash in 83. At first I did't know what they were talking about, but now I'm starting to get it.

It all started with Microsoft wanting to charge for Mods in Left for Dead 2 on 360.

gregbmil

It seems that the game companies, also started to hate PC gaming... The XBoxers are always eating the whole cake and what we, the PC gamers, get is some little chunks - the lazy PC port with awful controls and optimization. I can't understand why are they doing this to us? :cry:

[QUOTE="gregbmil"]

It's all thanks to Microsoft. I'm not sure who said it, but it was here at Gamespot. They said that Microsoft is the worst thing to happen to gaming since the videogame crash in 83. At first I did't know what they were talking about, but now I'm starting to get it.

It all started with Microsoft wanting to charge for Mods in Left for Dead 2 on 360.

zomglolcats

I just want to make one point about DD. It simply isn't true that DD games are cheaper than retail. Yes, they do produce a larger profit for game companies, but considering DD launch at retail price, there's no money to be saved unless Steam or Impulse do a special deal.

And, if/when retail dies off, for what reason would DD prices go down if there's nothing to compare them to?

[ Last, we should boybott Gamestop. Personally, I think selling used games on ebay and to your friends is great, but gamestop is systematically raping the industry, because when they sell a used game the developer gets nothing. This is the primary reason Gamestop doesn't like to sell PC games. stele29

I just want to make one point about DD. It simply isn't true that DD games are cheaper than retail. Yes, they do produce a larger profit for game companies, but considering DD launch at retail price, there's no money to be saved unless Steam or Impulse do a special deal.

And, if/when retail dies off, for what reason would DD prices go down if there's nothing to compare them to?

nsorrelle

Ironically enough piracy is many times more rampant on consoles than PC.stele29

bull. ****ing. ****

just keep waiting for battlefield 3 and half life ep3 TC and you'll be fine. besides with l4d 2 coming out, dragon age origins, borderlands (which gets better version than councils), it should be a good year.

I think people don't realise there is a reason why gameshops are starting to stop selling PC games.

The reason is that they cannot be traded back and sold on due to DRM.

If someone buys COD4 for xbox 360 at £40 and that game gets traded in and sold on the shop makes great profit.

But PC games are sold once and thats that.

I welcome STEAM and other companies doing what they do.

Trust me, good ridance to game shops and their ripoff prices.

We are definately moving towards a no disc future.

The publishers want control and this is what will give them it.

[QUOTE="stele29"]Ironically enough piracy is many times more rampant on consoles than PC.Enosh88

bull. ****ing. ****

I dont know it is related with the topic, but maybe we can spend our money more on small and high quality games like

• Plants vs Zombies
• World of Goo
• Braid

Being a PC gamer since the days of 133mhz cpus and 2mb video cards, the gaming industry average(the mean) has become vastly different. Do not think anyone could deny this. It seems in the old days they produced "experiences" and nowadays many seem interested in producing a product.

For the better or worse is not yet clear because there is no clear pattern.

Many publishers seem to be poking into the unknown to either be different in branding/marketing, cost effective, or control/protection of the product. Depending on the developer/producer each model will be different.

Be assured that the game industry is actually still in its youth compared to most business models we are used to dealing with in our life. So it is bound to make mistakes by rushing quickly to into what may not be the best for themselves or customers alike. On the same end we don't have very many laws that deal with the purchase of digital content in reguards to "protection" of both parties, like we have placed over time in other large industries.

This I believe is causing so much confusion to the customers and even the producers/publishers to a extent. As such, it brings talk about the ethical/moral mean of doing buisness. Which in itself is good. Although some systems seem more about moving the ethical/moral mean(average) of business to a different place, upon which, that system becomes the average(mean) way of doing business. Would saying testing the rights of the consumer be correct ?

Each person will have to act upon his or her own choice to support it or not. I would rather the system sorted itself out, than needing laws to protect each side from itself or another. But it seems more and more laws are used to protect only one party to the contract, while ignoring the others complaint by using sophist arguments. Rest assured both sides use it to great strengths and weakens the truth in debate.

A small example would be Jack Thomson (SP?) and some of the publishers who use czar like control their content. Each is after the "good" but use sophist arguments to try and win over the ignorent. Neither one will admit some truth the other says. Raticals at either side, doing no one any good, while the mean tries to just enjoy themselves by way of a honestly purchased product.

For certian is that these new schemes many publishers are taking have forced a evaluation of my purchase of digital entertainment. Many new games coming from the industry would not be pleased to know they have lost any oppertunity to sell me anything in the near future.

We have no other choices. Going to consoles will not solve these problems, because consoles cause those problems. The best way to play games is on the PC, and I will not settle for anything less. If PC gaming dies, then I will find a new hobby. But, from what I can see, PC gaming is not dying, because all the upcoming big titles (apart from the consoleexclusives)will be on the PC.

[QUOTE="Enosh88"]

[QUOTE="stele29"]Ironically enough piracy is many times more rampant on consoles than PC.zomglolcats

bull. ****ing. ****

We have no other choices. Going to consoles will not solve these problems, because consoles cause those problems. The best way to play games is on the PC, and I will not settle for anything less. If PC gaming dies, then I will find a new hobby. But, from what I can see, PC gaming is not dying, because all the upcoming big titles (apart from the consoleexclusives)will be on the PC.

vintovka_

[QUOTE="stele29"]Ironically enough piracy is many times more rampant on consoles than PC.Enosh88

bull. ****ing. ****