Ipod Touch, what's the point?

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#1 sgac
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Hey Fellas

What on earth was the point of Apple bringing out the iPod Touch. I mean £200 for what, oh hang on, WOW it's an 8GB(or 16GB if you pay more)iPhone without the phone bit. OK I know lots of people like the iPhone but would rather just have the music facilities without the hefty O2 contract on top but I mean Cummon, 200 quid for what's basically an iPod Nano with touch screen and a Wi-Fi music store(let's be honest who actually pays 79p per track off there?,8 quid an album, I'd rather go to a shop, might get it cheaper) Not to put Apple down or anything the Ipod Touch is an exceptional bit of engineering but for the price they're askin for it you'd be better off buying the real McCoy, that's the Classic 160GB iPod, alright so the touch can browse the web etc, but you'd be aswell buying the iPhone in that case. . If they'd made the touch 160GB I'd accept the price tag but not at the minuite thanks, what do you guys think?

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#2 BlacKJaCK2290
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I have my touch and love it, your paying for the Touch Screen which is an incredible thing.
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I have my touch and love it, your paying for the Touch Screen which is an incredible thing. BlacKJaCK2290

does it make the music sound better? :P

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[QUOTE="BlacKJaCK2290"]I have my touch and love it, your paying for the Touch Screen which is an incredible thing. creekfan_basic

does it make the music sound better? :P

No, not as far as I can tell music sounds the same as normal iPod and you still get the same weediesh earphones that haven't much bass., plus the real iPod is specifically designed for music, so it has an EQ and so on. Paying for the touch screen, fine OK I can accept that, but cummon 200 quid for 8GB of memory, the iPhone's the same, why don't they up the memory significantly, it wouldn't cost em much to do. These new gizmo's are never gonna trounce the classic iPod for sheer holding capacity unless Apple can come up with a plan to make memory sizes more on a par with even an entry level iPod.
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I was joking..I also find the touch ipods to be way over priced..sure, the touch screen is nice and all but it doens't make the music or video better
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I was joking..I also find the touch ipods to be way over priced..sure, the touch screen is nice and all but it doens't make the music or video bettercreekfan_basic

Well no one expects a touch screen to enhance music. That doesn't make ANY sense. The touch screen does help the video as it allow for no buttons on the device thus allowing for a bigger screen.

This complaining doesn't make much sense? If you don't think 8GB or 16GB is enough space then get the Classic version, or if you want something smaller then get the Nano. Heaven forbid a company would release products for different people.

Large solid state storage is expensive right now so adding more would drive up the cost of the device. Of course there will be larger ones down the road, that is to be expected, but for now just get something else.

A 160Gb Touch for $400? Riiiiight. Find me a solid state drive that big.

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#7 Large_Soda
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[QUOTE="creekfan_basic"]

[QUOTE="BlacKJaCK2290"]I have my touch and love it, your paying for the Touch Screen which is an incredible thing. sgac

does it make the music sound better? :P

No, not as far as I can tell music sounds the same as normal iPod and you still get the same weediesh earphones that haven't much bass., plus the real iPod is specifically designed for music, so it has an EQ and so on. Paying for the touch screen, fine OK I can accept that, but cummon 200 quid for 8GB of memory, the iPhone's the same, why don't they up the memory significantly, it wouldn't cost em much to do. These new gizmo's are never gonna trounce the classic iPod for sheer holding capacity unless Apple can come up with a plan to make memory sizes more on a par with even an entry level iPod.

The Touch also has the same EQ as the opther iPods.

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wait, are you serious?? 8 or 16g?? F that. I didn't know it was so small. I don't want one anymore.
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#9 BlacKJaCK2290
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Many people don't realise that the touch's use solid state drives now, no more hard drives spinning. Thats why the capacity is so small ... Creative is doing the same thing except they're releasing a Zen with a 32GB drive.
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[QUOTE="Sephiroth99000"]wait, are you serious?? 8 or 16g?? F that. I didn't know it was so small. I don't want one anymore.[/QUOTe) As far as I've been led to believe yes ONLY 8 OR 16gb versions at the moment,Not a bad device by any means at allbut way too expensive for what they're offering.
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[QUOTE="sgac"][QUOTE="creekfan_basic"]

[QUOTE="BlacKJaCK2290"]I have my touch and love it, your paying for the Touch Screen which is an incredible thing. Large_Soda

does it make the music sound better? :P

No, not as far as I can tell music sounds the same as normal iPod and you still get the same weediesh earphones that haven't much bass., plus the real iPod is specifically designed for music, so it has an EQ and so on. Paying for the touch screen, fine OK I can accept that, but cummon 200 quid for 8GB of memory, the iPhone's the same, why don't they up the memory significantly, it wouldn't cost em much to do. These new gizmo's are never gonna trounce the classic iPod for sheer holding capacity unless Apple can come up with a plan to make memory sizes more on a par with even an entry level iPod.

The Touch also has the same EQ as the opther iPods.

Oh sorry I must've missed that when I checked it out. Still all the iPods have never really had a real AQ, I mean it doesn't even let you adjust sliders of certain frequences for crying out loud.
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[QUOTE="creekfan_basic"]I was joking..I also find the touch ipods to be way over priced..sure, the touch screen is nice and all but it doens't make the music or video betterLarge_Soda

Well no one expects a touch screen to enhance music. That doesn't make ANY sense. The touch screen does help the video as it allow for no buttons on the device thus allowing for a bigger screen.

This complaining doesn't make much sense? If you don't think 8GB or 16GB is enough space then get the Classic version, or if you want something smaller then get the Nano. Heaven forbid a company would release products for different people.

Large solid state storage is expensive right now so adding more would drive up the cost of the device. Of course there will be larger ones down the road, that is to be expected, but for now just get something else.

A 160Gb Touch for $400? Riiiiight. Find me a solid state drive that big.

OK don't take it the wrong way I wasn't saying the Touch was crap or anything I just felt like something to have a good old arguement about I think it's an extraurdinary machine. But your also missing the point, why release a product so revolutionary and hamper it with tiny amounts of storage? Alright I know Solid state discs are very expensive but, for a product solely aimed at music storage and Apple knowing people want touch screen and all that, couldn't they have just used a normal mechanical Hard drive until such times as solid state becomes more affordable? It's just the price that get's me, 200 quid for what is basically a iPod nano with a fancy screen, the same applies to the iPhone, why even bother to trumpet music capabilities when even half most peoples music collection wouldn't fit on it
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Have you seen the touch in person, its sexy. It wouldn't have the same form factor or battery life with a hard drive based system. 16gb for most people is plenty, i still have 3.5GB left with over 1400 songs at 200-300kbps VBR MP3, and 8 videos at around 50mb each.
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#14 sgac
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Have you seen the touch in person, its sexy. It wouldn't have the same form factor or battery life with a hard drive based system. 16gb for most people is plenty, i still have 3.5GB left with over 1400 songs at 200-300kbps VBR MP3, and 8 videos at around 50mb each.BlacKJaCK2290
Yeah I've seen it, played with it and checked out all the stuff you can do on it, otherwise I wouldn't be in a position to comment on it. Fair enough it wouldn't have the same sleek look or long lasting battery, and I can see you've managed a healthy wad of tunes and videe's on it. Still though, 200 pounds just isn't justifiable for what your really getting, think about what it is your actually getting for your money. You only need to look at some of the stuff ARCHOS are offering right now for around a similar price point,OK Maybe a little bit dearer but they're drives go up to around 80GB and most of the newer models have touch screen.
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Yeah but those Archos models are really bulkly compared to the touch, just not something i'd like to have to carry around with me.
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I thought the regular ipods had switched to solid state as well this generation (is there a difference between solid state and just the flash storage type stuff that the Nanosand shuffleswere using already?).

Anyhow thats what stopped me from buying the Touch, if it just had more storage......but i wanted it ever since april 1st two years ago when everyone though it was an april fools announcement, but Apple simply needed to retoon itguess, still i put off my birthday present and not never got it back because i waited thinking the touch was right around the corner after that....

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Portable hard drives have moving parts and can skip easily.

The Touch is more of a very portable laptop for me. Web browsing, emails, chat, and all on top of music and videos in your pocket. Not a bad device if you ask me. Of course more storage would be great, but I can live with syncing only music I want to listen to.

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[QUOTE="Large_Soda"]

[QUOTE="creekfan_basic"]I was joking..I also find the touch ipods to be way over priced..sure, the touch screen is nice and all but it doens't make the music or video bettersgac

Well no one expects a touch screen to enhance music. That doesn't make ANY sense. The touch screen does help the video as it allow for no buttons on the device thus allowing for a bigger screen.

This complaining doesn't make much sense? If you don't think 8GB or 16GB is enough space then get the Classic version, or if you want something smaller then get the Nano. Heaven forbid a company would release products for different people.

Large solid state storage is expensive right now so adding more would drive up the cost of the device. Of course there will be larger ones down the road, that is to be expected, but for now just get something else.

A 160Gb Touch for $400? Riiiiight. Find me a solid state drive that big.

OK don't take it the wrong way I wasn't saying the Touch was crap or anything I just felt like something to have a good old arguement about I think it's an extraurdinary machine. But your also missing the point, why release a product so revolutionary and hamper it with tiny amounts of storage? Alright I know Solid state discs are very expensive but, for a product solely aimed at music storage and Apple knowing people want touch screen and all that, couldn't they have just used a normal mechanical Hard drive until such times as solid state becomes more affordable? It's just the price that get's me, 200 quid for what is basically a iPod nano with a fancy screen, the same applies to the iPhone, why even bother to trumpet music capabilities when even half most peoples music collection wouldn't fit on it

The product is not solely aimed at music storage, the iPod ****c is geared to the person that wants their entire collection in their pocket. The Touch is meant for music, movies, web surfing and photos.

Yes I would agree that more storage would be nice, but that's the way every product gets released. The 360 launched with a 20GB drive now they have a 120GB, the PS3 has had varying sizes of HDDs and the iPods are no different. They need to sell the device at an inflated price to help defer the money spent in developing the unit and then over time they revise it and improve it and by that time solid state storage will be more affordable and you will be getting 32GB drives. Just now there is a 160GB iPod, why didn't that come out 5 years ago?

I'm guessing the idea of a HDD based Touch would be a lot thicker than they would want it and maybe there is a technical reason they couldn't do it with a spinning HDD, I don't know.

There aren't 16GB Nanos available now and the Touch is much more than a Nano with a bigger screen, but it's not aimed at people that want their entire music library with them at all times.

I used to have a 4GB iPod Mini and I was never happy that I couldn't carry my entire library, then I got a 30B Video iPod, loved it, but realized I only listened to a small percentage of my library and now I have the 16GB Touch and I pick and choose what I put on it.

Plain and simple there is an iPod, or Zune or Zen or iRiver for everyone.

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Yeah but those Archos models are really bulkly compared to the touch, just not something i'd like to have to carry around with me.BlacKJaCK2290
True, but your forgetting what ARCHOS can achieve with thier products. Yes it's a bit bulkier but I've used ARCHOS players before and compared to Touch they're not THAT much bigger, anyway a bigger screen means more pleasent viewing right? ARCHOS players, well some of them anyway, can be used as portable Freeview TV's, now there's a good case for buying one,also ARCHOS players have Wi-Fi to, bigger storage, and for the features you get a fairly reasonable price.
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[QUOTE="sgac"][QUOTE="Large_Soda"]

[QUOTE="creekfan_basic"]I was joking..I also find the touch ipods to be way over priced..sure, the touch screen is nice and all but it doens't make the music or video betterLarge_Soda

Well no one expects a touch screen to enhance music. That doesn't make ANY sense. The touch screen does help the video as it allow for no buttons on the device thus allowing for a bigger screen.

This complaining doesn't make much sense? If you don't think 8GB or 16GB is enough space then get the Classic version, or if you want something smaller then get the Nano. Heaven forbid a company would release products for different people.

Large solid state storage is expensive right now so adding more would drive up the cost of the device. Of course there will be larger ones down the road, that is to be expected, but for now just get something else.

A 160Gb Touch for $400? Riiiiight. Find me a solid state drive that big.

OK don't take it the wrong way I wasn't saying the Touch was crap or anything I just felt like something to have a good old arguement about I think it's an extraurdinary machine. But your also missing the point, why release a product so revolutionary and hamper it with tiny amounts of storage? Alright I know Solid state discs are very expensive but, for a product solely aimed at music storage and Apple knowing people want touch screen and all that, couldn't they have just used a normal mechanical Hard drive until such times as solid state becomes more affordable? It's just the price that get's me, 200 quid for what is basically a iPod nano with a fancy screen, the same applies to the iPhone, why even bother to trumpet music capabilities when even half most peoples music collection wouldn't fit on it

The product is not solely aimed at music storage, the iPod ****c is geared to the person that wants their entire collection in their pocket. The Touch is meant for music, movies, web surfing and photos.

Yes I would agree that more storage would be nice, but that's the way every product gets released. The 360 launched with a 20GB drive now they have a 120GB, the PS3 has had varying sizes of HDDs and the iPods are no different. They need to sell the device at an inflated price to help defer the money spent in developing the unit and then over time they revise it and improve it and by that time solid state storage will be more affordable and you will be getting 32GB drives. Just now there is a 160GB iPod, why didn't that come out 5 years ago?

I'm guessing the idea of a HDD based Touch would be a lot thicker than they would want it and maybe there is a technical reason they couldn't do it with a spinning HDD, I don't know.

There aren't 16GB Nanos available now and the Touch is much more than a Nano with a bigger screen, but it's not aimed at people that want their entire music library with them at all times.

I used to have a 4GB iPod Mini and I was never happy that I couldn't carry my entire library, then I got a 30B Video iPod, loved it, but realized I only listened to a small percentage of my library and now I have the 16GB Touch and I pick and choose what I put on it.

Plain and simple there is an iPod, or Zune or Zen or iRiver for everyone.

Fair enough I can see where you're coming from but Apple makes the ****c iPod 160GB for Movies Music etc, true they don't have Web browsing like the touch but why not try doing HD Storage? I doubt there's a technical reason for it, thicker would be preferable to me as I like sturdy feeling players. Apple reckoned they only sold about half the quantity of iPhones in the UK that they were expecting to sell , I wonder why eh. True saying that all products start like that but cummon Apple try regular HD storage for now, and maybe you'll sell more units. In my experience I have a 5th generation 30GB iPod video and I believe it's spinning HD for storage. I haven't experienced any skipping at all.
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I don't know how you use your iPod, but I have it in my front pants pocket when walking. It usually skips once or twice during my 15-20 min walk to campus. Don't even try jogging with one. Flash storage is also better for battery life.
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I don't know how you use your iPod, but I have it in my front pants pocket when walking. It usually skips once or twice during my 15-20 min walk to campus. Don't even try jogging with one. Flash storage is also better for battery life.dmanrevived
Right, well I walk with it in my jacket pocket and I've ran across roads with it still playing, and I havn't heard it skip once. I have a 5th generation 30GB iPod Video, maybe there's a difference between the diferent revisions of the iPod or something. Does the 5Th Generation iPod Video's use mechanical Hard Drive's? Apparently as someone mentioned earlier, all the new iPod's have moved to solid state, I doubt it iff the best iPod in the range(Classic) has a maximum capacity of 160GB.
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I think the classics and ipod videos are still on regular hard drives. Solid state hard drives are fairly expensive. Only Touch, Nano, and Shuffle are using flash as far as I can tell.
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I won't buy one until they add more memory. 8-16GB just isn't enough.
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They should add a flash expansion feature like on the sandisk sansa's.

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#27 sgac
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They should add a flash expansion feature like on the sandisk sansa's.

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Beats me why they don't. The one thing I don't like about Apple aside from all the positive things I can say about them are that they are soo far afield from everyone else that you can't really see why they need to be. OK I can appreciate thier creative originality , it's nice to see something diferent but, nearly everything is proprietery. What I mean is,most of the cables, and hardware isn't really intended to be used with anything else bar things with Apple's promotion behind it. For example ,look at Mac software,this seems perfectly able to run on other hardware judjing by Apple's system requirements but Apple won't seem to allow you to do this. Microsoft having allowed apple users to run Windows on Macs, isn't Apple being a bit horrible keeping thier stuff to themselves, quite why I don't know cause most current Macs use the same hardware as PC's and mid-range workstation PC's so what's the big deal? You buy a Mac for sleek looks and total intuigration with all Apple products including software, you buy a PC if you don't wanna spend the fortune Apple charges for the same sort of PC you could build yourself probably cheaper., and anyway,Apple still makes a profit from selling you thier OS and software and having both major OS'S across two platforms wouldn't stop people from buying Macs for the reasons mentioned above. Years ago Macs were a lot different from PC's, they used totaly different hardware and software, in those days, you could see the point of thier stuff being seperate from everyone else, but given the two system's similarities are so close nowadays, I struggle to see what Apple's problem is.

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I have my touch and love it, your paying for the Touch Screen which is an incredible thing. BlacKJaCK2290


No it doesn't, just look at the DS, I'm thinking it's more the other features that are adding to the cost.

I don't know how you use your iPod, but I have it in my front pants pocket when walking. It usually skips once or twice during my 15-20 min walk to campus. Don't even try jogging with one. Flash storage is also better for battery life.dmanrevived

The iPod Cl*assic has by far the longest battery life of any iPod.

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The current Ipod classic uses a 1.8inch drive. I've seen a story that Samsung will launch a 1.3inch drive at CES. Don't know if that will help the itouch and iphone. Though, 8-16gigs seems reasonable to me for a nice portable device except videos. I'm no longer young, I never donwloaded tons of music back then just before it got insanely popular and controversial. As for people wanting 160gigs now a days, what is that, 3000 CDs, that's $30,000+. Who has that without something illegal going on. Is there that many good songs even worth taking with you unless you really want a shuffle to never play the same song for a year? Right now 16gigs would hold 4000 songs (11 songs a day for a year), which would be like 400cds, that's usually is an extensive collection right there.
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The current Ipod classic uses a 1.8inch drive. I've seen a story that Samsung will launch a 1.3inch drive at CES. Don't know if that will help the itouch and iphone. Though, 8-16gigs seems reasonable to me for a nice portable device except videos. I'm no longer young, I never donwloaded tons of music back then just before it got insanely popular and controversial. As for people wanting 160gigs now a days, what is that, 3000 CDs, that's $30,000+. Who has that without something illegal going on. Is there that many good songs even worth taking with you unless you really want a shuffle to never play the same song for a year? Right now 16gigs would hold 4000 songs (11 songs a day for a year), which would be like 400cds, that's usually is an extensive collection right there.TimothyB
Yes good point, but remember the video aspect of both the Touch and iPHONE. When you start putting videos on these players there small memory capacities will fill up quite quikly. OK I know not everyone will put videos on their player but seen as how Apple likes to rant on about it's video capabilities, then isn't it obvious that some people will wanna take a few films with them? Know how much an average DVD film takes up? about 1GB, throw a few films on there and you'll not have much space left for many songs. Most people I'd imagine most folk don't wanna have to buy an iPod for there music collection and the iPhone for the other features like web browsing etc. They'd rather be able to fit most of there song collection on a device that does everything.
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#31 sgac
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I thought the regular ipods had switched to solid state as well this generation (is there a difference between solid state and just the flash storage type stuff that the Nanosand shuffleswere using already?).

Anyhow thats what stopped me from buying the Touch, if it just had more storage......but i wanted it ever since april 1st two years ago when everyone though it was an april fools announcement, but Apple simply needed to retoon itguess, still i put off my birthday present and not never got it back because i waited thinking the touch was right around the corner after that....

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Eh, I'm not sure actually. What I will say is the Big iPods(30GB and up) are most probably still using normal Hard drives, as solid state would be very ,very expensive just now for those kinda capacities. As far as flash storage is concerned, I think Solid State is sort of the same, in that it has no moving parts, the new Touch, iPhone, and iPod Nano use solid state, I'd say normal flash memory is probably cheaper for a given size. Although I'd liked to have seen a bigger memory on the Touch and iPhone, If only Apple could.ve just used normal Hard drive's until Solid State stuf becomes more affordable, in saying that right enough, the Phone might not have been so thin, but I could live with that no problem.
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lol id probably break the screen