Title, overall, which is better for gaming and why?
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Even if you are thinking of running boot camp...which does indeed run Windows XP/Vista/7 just fine, and plays games as well - it really comes down to the hardware. Even the highest end iMac (which I think only has a 4850?) will be outperformed by even low end "gaming" desktops you find.
Mac = Very few games (they all fit on one wall in the Apple store), Macs cost about 4x as much as a PC that has identical hardware, Mac keyboard and mouse are unsuitable for gaming, few gaming accessories
PC = Access hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of games, can build the most powerful computer money can buy for a fraction of what a much weaker Mac would cost, the most diversified and numerous gaming accessories of any gaming platform period
The choice is obvious
Even if you are thinking of running boot camp...which does indeed run Windows XP/Vista/7 just fine, and plays games as well - it really comes down to the hardware. Even the highest end iMac (which I think only has a 4850?) will be outperformed by even low end "gaming" desktops you find.
powerwolff
Indeed. If I go to the Apple store this is what I can get if I max out a Mac:
- Two 2.93GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
- 32GB (8x4GB) RAM
- 4x 2TB 7200 RPM SATA 3Gb/s
- ATI Radeon HD4870 512MB
- 2x 18x SuperDrives
- Apple Magic Mouse
- Apple Keyboard (English) and User's Guide
- AirPort Extreme Wi-Fi Card with 802.11n
- Quad-channel 4Gb Fibre Channel PCI-E card
All for the low, low cost of only $10,989.00
BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE!
Add on all the bundled software options, customer service plan, extended warranty, and two 30" cinema HD displays and the total comes out to a measly $20,254.85
[QUOTE="powerwolff"]
Even if you are thinking of running boot camp...which does indeed run Windows XP/Vista/7 just fine, and plays games as well - it really comes down to the hardware. Even the highest end iMac (which I think only has a 4850?) will be outperformed by even low end "gaming" desktops you find.
gameguy6700
Indeed. If I go to the Apple store this is what I can get if I max out a Mac:
- Two 2.93GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
- 32GB (8x4GB) RAM
- 4x 2TB 7200 RPM SATA 3Gb/s
- ATI Radeon HD4870 512MB
- 2x 18x SuperDrives
- Apple Magic Mouse
- Apple Keyboard (English) and User's Guide
- AirPort Extreme Wi-Fi Card with 802.11n
- Quad-channel 4Gb Fibre Channel PCI-E card
All for the low, low cost of only $10,989.00
BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE!
Add on all the bundled software options, customer service plan, extended warranty, and two 30" cinema HD displays and the total comes out to a measly $20,254.85
You forgot to put the PC equivalent... And why would you buy all of the software bundles? Either way, PC is the way to go for gaming, mac has like 2 games worth playing, at least till steam comes out for mac.
[QUOTE="powerwolff"]
Even if you are thinking of running boot camp...which does indeed run Windows XP/Vista/7 just fine, and plays games as well - it really comes down to the hardware. Even the highest end iMac (which I think only has a 4850?) will be outperformed by even low end "gaming" desktops you find.
gameguy6700
Indeed. If I go to the Apple store this is what I can get if I max out a Mac:
- Two 2.93GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
- 32GB (8x4GB) RAM
- 4x 2TB 7200 RPM SATA 3Gb/s
- ATI Radeon HD4870 512MB
- 2x 18x SuperDrives
- Apple Magic Mouse
- Apple Keyboard (English) and User's Guide
- AirPort Extreme Wi-Fi Card with 802.11n
- Quad-channel 4Gb Fibre Channel PCI-E card
All for the low, low cost of only $10,989.00
BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE!
Add on all the bundled software options, customer service plan, extended warranty, and two 30" cinema HD displays and the total comes out to a measly $20,254.85
Jesus Christ :shock:. I have an only slightly worse version of that computer (besides for different peripherals), and I paid $900. Yay Newegg.Jesus Christ :shock:. I have an only slightly worse version of that computer (besides for different peripherals), and I paid $900. Yay Newegg.p00zer
Doubt it seeing that 8 TB of storage cost $600 for cheapest ones and 32 GB of RAM cost $1000 at the least on newegg. Not saying the Mac is a good deal by any means (Far from it really), but the components selected are still worth several thousand dollars
What are 2x18 superdrives?JigglyWiggly_I'm pretty sure they're 18x DVD burners. Don't know why Apple calls DVD burners "SuperDrives"-it's kind of like how they say "AirPort" instead of Wi-Fi. Anyway, while I used to want a Mac Pro should I ever have an unlimited budget, EVGA showed that dual-socket LGA1366 board with eight full PCIe 2.0 x16 slots, which completely killed my interest in the former given that I could build a superior PC for the same price around that board. (Windows 7 also happened to kill my interest in OS X, and the massive slant in game compatibility for Windows has a lot to do with that.)
I can't beleive this is actually a question! probably trolling.
And LOL at the Mac pro, on the Australian website they charge $480AU to add an additional 1tb HDD, of which i could simply buy from my local computer store for ~$100.
[QUOTE="powerwolff"]
Even if you are thinking of running boot camp...which does indeed run Windows XP/Vista/7 just fine, and plays games as well - it really comes down to the hardware. Even the highest end iMac (which I think only has a 4850?) will be outperformed by even low end "gaming" desktops you find.
gameguy6700
Indeed. If I go to the Apple store this is what I can get if I max out a Mac:
- Two 2.93GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
- 32GB (8x4GB) RAM
- 4x 2TB 7200 RPM SATA 3Gb/s
- ATI Radeon HD4870 512MB
- 2x 18x SuperDrives
- Apple Magic Mouse
- Apple Keyboard (English) and User's Guide
- AirPort Extreme Wi-Fi Card with 802.11n
- Quad-channel 4Gb Fibre Channel PCI-E card
All for the low, low cost of only $10,989.00
BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE!
Add on all the bundled software options, customer service plan, extended warranty, and two 30" cinema HD displays and the total comes out to a measly $20,254.85
and it can't even run gta4 about med lol. Great for film but not for gaming.[QUOTE="powerwolff"]
Even if you are thinking of running boot camp...which does indeed run Windows XP/Vista/7 just fine, and plays games as well - it really comes down to the hardware. Even the highest end iMac (which I think only has a 4850?) will be outperformed by even low end "gaming" desktops you find.
gameguy6700
Indeed. If I go to the Apple store this is what I can get if I max out a Mac:
- Two 2.93GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
- 32GB (8x4GB) RAM
- 4x 2TB 7200 RPM SATA 3Gb/s
- ATI Radeon HD4870 512MB
- 2x 18x SuperDrives
- Apple Magic Mouse
- Apple Keyboard (English) and User's Guide
- AirPort Extreme Wi-Fi Card with 802.11n
- Quad-channel 4Gb Fibre Channel PCI-E card
All for the low, low cost of only $10,989.00
BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE!
Add on all the bundled software options, customer service plan, extended warranty, and two 30" cinema HD displays and the total comes out to a measly $20,254.85
LOOL :)Ahem Hackintosh :PJigglyWiggly_
this is the cheapest option if u want teh fancy OSX (dunno why...it doesnt do anything different......just puts stuff ina slightly different place then calls it "advanced")
[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]Ahem Hackintosh :Pkungfool69
this is the cheapest option if u want teh fancy OSX (dunno why...it doesnt do anything different......just puts stuff ina slightly different place then calls it "advanced")
Have you ever used a mac for an extended period of time? If not, then I don't really want to hear your opinion on the OSfor gaming, and most normal things pc is the better.. sorry mac fans, its true.
if your doing video editing then maybe go with the mac..
hell use to mac was the best to do music on,, now pc has caught up... (come on mac whats up, spending too much time, making new versions of the Iphone, calling it the Ipad, lol, neither one can make any calls)
Jesus Christ :shock:. I have an only slightly worse version of that computer (besides for different peripherals), and I paid $900. Yay Newegg.p00zer... as if! :roll:
[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]
[QUOTE="powerwolff"]
Indeed. If I go to the Apple store this is what I can get if I max out a Mac:
- Two 2.93GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
- 32GB (8x4GB) RAM
- 4x 2TB 7200 RPM SATA 3Gb/s
- ATI Radeon HD4870 512MB
- 2x 18x SuperDrives
- Apple Magic Mouse
- Apple Keyboard (English) and User's Guide
- AirPort Extreme Wi-Fi Card with 802.11n
- Quad-channel 4Gb Fibre Channel PCI-E cardAll for the low, low cost of only $10,989.00
BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE!
Add on all the bundled software options, customer service plan, extended warranty, and two 30" cinema HD displays and the total comes out to a measly $20,254.85
kodyoo
You forgot to put the PC equivalent... And why would you buy all of the software bundles? Either way, PC is the way to go for gaming, mac has like 2 games worth playing, at least till steam comes out for mac.
What you have to bear in mind is that OS-X is actually just as capable of gaming as Windows is, it's just that the 2 OS's use different API's for grpahics etc. It just so happened that the gaming industry chose Microsoft's DirectX (wouldn't be too surprised if Microsoft put s lot of money behing the industry for it's propreitry programming language mind you), rather than openGL (which is what Linux, Mac OS-X etc all use). Most of the games on Windows could easily be done on the Mac too if they used OpenGL, though that will not happen for evry game released as it would be too much money to create 2 versions of a game engine, still I am glad to see more focus on the Mac gaming front, more competion is surely a plus in anybody's book.Mac = Very few games (they all fit on one wall in the Apple store), Macs cost about 4x as much as a PC that has identical hardware, Mac keyboard and mouse are unsuitable for gaming, few gaming accessories
PC = Access hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of games, can build the most powerful computer money can buy for a fraction of what a much weaker Mac would cost, the most diversified and numerous gaming accessories of any gaming platform period
The choice is obvious
gameguy6700
[QUOTE="kodyoo"]
[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]
You forgot to put the PC equivalent... And why would you buy all of the software bundles? Either way, PC is the way to go for gaming, mac has like 2 games worth playing, at least till steam comes out for mac.
sgac
What you have to bear in mind is that OS-X is actually just as capable of gaming as Windows is, it's just that the 2 OS's use different API's for grpahics etc. It just so happened that the gaming industry chose Microsoft's DirectX (wouldn't be too surprised if Microsoft put s lot of money behing the industry for it's propreitry programming language mind you), rather than openGL (which is what Linux, Mac OS-X etc all use). Most of the games on Windows could easily be done on the Mac too if they used OpenGL, though that will not happen for evry game released as it would be too much money to create 2 versions of a game engine, still I am glad to see more focus on the Mac gaming front, more competion is surely a plus in anybody's book.Mac = Very few games (they all fit on one wall in the Apple store), Macs cost about 4x as much as a PC that has identical hardware, Mac keyboard and mouse are unsuitable for gaming, few gaming accessories
PC = Access hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of games, can build the most powerful computer money can buy for a fraction of what a much weaker Mac would cost, the most diversified and numerous gaming accessories of any gaming platform period
The choice is obvious
gameguy6700
That doesn't change the fact that OSX has a tiny gaming library and is thus unfit for gaming. Maybe in an alternate universe where openGL beat out DirectX things would be different except that...oh no wait, Apple still overcharges you to a criminal extent for crappy hardware. OK, assuming that openGL succeeded and that Mac fanboys were willing to build their own computers instead of buying one from Apple (man this is one crazy alternate universe), then maybe OS X and Windows would both be good platforms for gaming. Now thing is OS X still wouldn't have as many games as Windows since Windows would still have 90% market share...unless we also assume that in our comically absurd universe that Microsoft never managed to crush Apple, in which case THEN Mac and PC might both be viable gaming platforms.
What you have to bear in mind is that OS-X is actually just as capable of gaming as Windows is, it's just that the 2 OS's use different API's for grpahics etc. It just so happened that the gaming industry chose Microsoft's DirectX (wouldn't be too surprised if Microsoft put s lot of money behing the industry for it's propreitry programming language mind you), rather than openGL (which is what Linux, Mac OS-X etc all use). Most of the games on Windows could easily be done on the Mac too if they used OpenGL, though that will not happen for evry game released as it would be too much money to create 2 versions of a game engine, still I am glad to see more focus on the Mac gaming front, more competion is surely a plus in anybody's book.[QUOTE="sgac"]
[QUOTE="kodyoo"] [QUOTE="gameguy6700"]
Mac = Very few games (they all fit on one wall in the Apple store), Macs cost about 4x as much as a PC that has identical hardware, Mac keyboard and mouse are unsuitable for gaming, few gaming accessories
PC = Access hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of games, can build the most powerful computer money can buy for a fraction of what a much weaker Mac would cost, the most diversified and numerous gaming accessories of any gaming platform period
The choice is obvious
gameguy6700
That doesn't change the fact that OSX has a tiny gaming library and is thus unfit for gaming. Maybe in an alternate universe where openGL beat out DirectX things would be different except that...oh no wait, Apple still overcharges you to a criminal extent for crappy hardware. OK, assuming that openGL succeeded and that Mac fanboys were willing to build their own computers instead of buying one from Apple (man this is one crazy alternate universe), then maybe OS X and Windows would both be good platforms for gaming. Now thing is OS X still wouldn't have as many games as Windows since Windows would still have 90% market share...unless we also assume that in our comically absurd universe that Microsoft never managed to crush Apple, in which case THEN Mac and PC might both be viable gaming platforms.
How'd you work out that Windows would still have 90% market share if both platforms were equal on graphics terms? The fact is that Ms Windows is just by the very series of events THE OS that is installed on about 90% of PC's out there, despite having multiple other OS's to choose from, your average joe go's into a shop ,buys a PC and that's just the OS he's likly to get. Why would he go and install anything else? Despite there being several alternatives that can be just as good as Windows is at doing the same thing. The Mac has a tiny gaming platform because the vast majority of developers aren't going to code for a platform that only has 10% of users in the first place. Now Macs have always been about but its Microsofts bullyishness to have thier OS on every PC about that that is what the masses see and hence that's why Windows has a 90% share. I think if given half the option of what OS a consumer wanted and without any biasism to one in particular, they would be willing to look at the alternatives out there, and gaming might get a broader OS Base. I'm not anti-windows by any strerch of the imagination, I'm a gamer myself, but blindly supporting Windows just because it has 90% market-share and ignoring the fact that consumers didn't really get the coice of what OS they would like to game on in the first place is abit fanboyish to me. Yes I can agree on Apple overcharging you for hardware but another point to bear in mind is that , as I comment from mrbit10 on Yotube to sum it up he says that the best DirectX 10 card is probably not the best performing Open GL Card, and that my friend makes a hell of a difference when your comparing 2 very different programming interfaces, hence if you were to gamr on Apple's hardware you might find that the performance of it's cards were very high indeed , almost as much as a DirectX card under Windows.[QUOTE="gameguy6700"][QUOTE="sgac"]What you have to bear in mind is that OS-X is actually just as capable of gaming as Windows is, it's just that the 2 OS's use different API's for grpahics etc. It just so happened that the gaming industry chose Microsoft's DirectX (wouldn't be too surprised if Microsoft put s lot of money behing the industry for it's propreitry programming language mind you), rather than openGL (which is what Linux, Mac OS-X etc all use). Most of the games on Windows could easily be done on the Mac too if they used OpenGL, though that will not happen for evry game released as it would be too much money to create 2 versions of a game engine, still I am glad to see more focus on the Mac gaming front, more competion is surely a plus in anybody's book.
sgac
That doesn't change the fact that OSX has a tiny gaming library and is thus unfit for gaming. Maybe in an alternate universe where openGL beat out DirectX things would be different except that...oh no wait, Apple still overcharges you to a criminal extent for crappy hardware. OK, assuming that openGL succeeded and that Mac fanboys were willing to build their own computers instead of buying one from Apple (man this is one crazy alternate universe), then maybe OS X and Windows would both be good platforms for gaming. Now thing is OS X still wouldn't have as many games as Windows since Windows would still have 90% market share...unless we also assume that in our comically absurd universe that Microsoft never managed to crush Apple, in which case THEN Mac and PC might both be viable gaming platforms.
How'd you work out that Windows would still have 90% market share if both platforms were equal on graphics terms? The fact is that Ms Windows is just by the very series of events THE OS that is installed on about 90% of PC's out there, despite having multiple other OS's to choose from, your average joe go's into a shop ,buys a PC and that's just the OS he's likly to get. Why would he go and install anything else? Despite there being several alternatives that can be just as good as Windows is at doing the same thing. The Mac has a tiny gaming platform because the vast majority of developers aren't going to code for a platform that only has 10% of users in the first place. Now Macs have always been about but its Microsofts bullyishness to have thier OS on every PC about that that is what the masses see and hence that's why Windows has a 90% share. I think if given half the option of what OS a consumer wanted and without any biasism to one in particular, they would be willing to look at the alternatives out there, and gaming might get a broader OS Base. I'm not anti-windows by any strerch of the imagination, I'm a gamer myself, but blindly supporting Windows just because it has 90% market-share and ignoring the fact that consumers didn't really get the coice of what OS they would like to game on in the first place is abit fanboyish to me. Yes I can agree on Apple overcharging you for hardware but another point to bear in mind is that , as I comment from mrbit10 on Yotube to sum it up he says that the best DirectX 10 card is probably not the best performing Open GL Card, and that my friend makes a hell of a difference when your comparing 2 very different programming interfaces, hence if you were to gamr on Apple's hardware you might find that the performance of it's cards were very high indeed , almost as much as a DirectX card under Windows.You misunderstand. I'm not trying to be a fanboy for windows, I'm bashing Apple for selling underpowered computers for exorbitant prices.
Also, the gaming market didn't have much to do with windows' dominance over Apple. That trend is mostly thanks to the rapid adoption of PCs by the business sector (and really Apple never got adopted by the business sector since before windows most companies were using IBM computers). It also doesn't help that while Microsoft merely licenses its OS to third party vendors (HP, Compaq, Dell, etc), Apple insists on having complete control of all prebuilt Macs. That pretty much allowed the Windows OS to get spammed into every retail chain by those third party vendors, whereas the only people selling Apple computers were, well, Apple.
[QUOTE="kungfool69"][QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]Ahem Hackintosh :Pkodyoo
this is the cheapest option if u want teh fancy OSX (dunno why...it doesnt do anything different......just puts stuff ina slightly different place then calls it "advanced")
Have you ever used a mac for an extended period of time? If not, then I don't really want to hear your opinion on the OSwell i am sorry, this is the internet, everyone can express their opinions. I for one prefer Vista over MAC OSX. and yes, i used OSX for one year doing video editing with final cut pro in 2004-05. i became well versed in it. i still consider the os to be rather pointless.
And if you're in designer/printer industry, you definitely want a Mac, coz the whole calibration for color works better, and its like Adobe designed their programs to work better in Mac...5ssj
sorry about double posting, but this is a myth that is quite quickly changing. there s no photoshop CS4 64bit version for mac.......LAME. so what if u through 8 gb of ram or even 32gb, in ur new multicore XENON powered Mac pro.....no 64bit......aw.
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