Is intel better than amd now for gaming?

I wanna upgrade my cpu and mobo but the funny thing is ive ALWAYS BEEN AN AMD PERSON! From my first amd computer which was a 1700 xp to a 3200 venice and now a 3800 dual core toledo and soon to be 5000+ am2 socket cpu.

Im completely oblivious to INTEL cpus. I hear alot of people saying q6670 intel process and im like wtf? How many types are there for intel. Is intel better than amd now for gaming officially? Im upgrading for crysis so :). Should I get an intel mobo and cpu or no>

And can anyone provide some insight on the different intel processors? Which is better the q6690 or the E versions. Which ones compete with amd dual core x2?

nah amd is just as good as intel and cheaper.

some good processors out there for AMD are

5600

6000

6400 black edition

and the phenom is right around the corner

As of right now the Core 2 Duo trounces the competition soundly.Staryoshi87

This fact is why I, a long time user of AMD (Since the Athlon 1200), went back to Intel. I am a performance nut.

nah amd is just as good as intel and cheaper.

some good processors out there for AMD are

5600

6000

6400 black edition

and the phenom is right around the corner

sabbath2gamer

I've seen your posts around here before, and you somehow seem to think that AMD can compete with Intel processors such as the E6550, E6750, E6850 and Q6600, which is outlandish and plain inaccurate.

AMD fail's to compete with price/performance once you get past the 5600+ (even that's pushing it). An E6550 runs just as fast as a 6000+, while consuming a good 20-30w less and having an overclocking headroom of over 1000MHz. The E6750 takes out the 6400+ with equal performance, all the while consuming half the power and having the same overclocking headroom as the E6550 (obviously, you can push the Core 2 Duo chips easily to 3.2-3.4GHz+ with good aircooling and stable mobo).

AMD has no answer to the E6850 and Q6600. The Q6600 (G0 stepping especially) can be easily overclocked to 3GHz to equal the E6850 in single threaded apps on stock volts even.

AMD is only able to steal some of Intel's pie in the mid and low end sectors.

[QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"]

nah amd is just as good as intel and cheaper.

some good processors out there for AMD are

5600

6000

6400 black edition

and the phenom is right around the corner

Wesker776

I've seen your posts around here before, and you somehow seem to think that AMD can compete with Intel processors such as the E6550, E6750, E6850 and Q6600, which is outlandish and plain inaccurate.

AMD fail's to compete with price/performance once you get past the 5600+ (even that's pushing it). An E6550 runs just as fast as a 6000+, while consuming a good 20-30w less and having an overclocking headroom of over 1000MHz. The E6750 takes out the 6400+ with equal performance, all the while consuming half the power and having the same overclocking headroom as the E6550 (obviously, you can push the Core 2 Duo chips easily to 3.2-3.4GHz+ with good aircooling and stable mobo).

AMD has no answer to the E6850 and Q6600. The Q6600 (G0 stepping especially) can be easily overclocked to 3GHz to equal the E6850 in single threaded apps on stock volts even.

AMD is only able to steal some of Intel's pie in the mid and low end sectors.

first of all i dont think they are better

i just think that some are equal or that you dont need a high end processor for a gaming comp sure go spend hundreds of dollars on a quad core

or maybe just maybe

buy something that will work just as good but not better for a cpu that is no more then $200 even less.

now do you understand its like when people are always flaming others for buying 4 gigs of ram when 2 is enough or when someone buys an 800 watt power supply when 550 is enough.

samething for cpu's Amd might not be better but there all you need...

first of all i dont think they are better

i just think that some are equal or that you dont need a high end processor for a gaming comp sure go spend hundreds of dollars on a quad core

or maybe just maybe

buy something that will work just as good but not better for a cpu that is no more then $200 even less.

now do you understand its like when people are always flaming others for buying 4 gigs of ram when 2 is enough or when someone buys an 800 watt power supply when 550 is enough.

samething for cpu's Amd might not be better but there all you need...

sabbath2gamer

They're not equal - and while you might not need a high-end processor for a gaming computer, you certainly don't want a lower-end one, and you definitely don't want one that performs worse for the price. And spend "hundreds" of dollars on a quad-core? Don't make me laugh too much, I'm getting ulcers. A year ago a quad-core processor was over $1k, and a dual-core processor clocked at the exact same speed as the Q6600 cost more than Q6600 does today. $280 for a quad-core processor is a hell of a deal.

As for buying soemthing that will work just as good, the E6750 and E6550 (both less than $200) completely outclass anything AMD has at that price point. It's only when you start having a processor and motherboard budget of less than $250 or so when you'll start seeing AMD being a better deal than Intel in terms of stock performance.

As for people going overkill I point out all those things as well - I never recommend the Q6700, nor do I recommend an 850w power supply unless someone needs one. 4GB of RAM is preference and depends on the machine, but by and large, I point out the thing that I believe is most important: When someone is not getting their money's worth. Buying an X2 6000+ brand new when you can get an E6750 that tears it apart for around the same price is not getting your money's worth. More performance for the money, not just more performance.

[QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"]

first of all i dont think they are better

i just think that some are equal or that you dont need a high end processor for a gaming comp sure go spend hundreds of dollars on a quad core

or maybe just maybe

buy something that will work just as good but not better for a cpu that is no more then $200 even less.

now do you understand its like when people are always flaming others for buying 4 gigs of ram when 2 is enough or when someone buys an 800 watt power supply when 550 is enough.

samething for cpu's Amd might not be better but there all you need...

RayvinAzn

They're not equal - and while you might not need a high-end processor for a gaming computer, you certainly don't want a lower-end one, and you definitely don't want one that performs worse for the price. And spend "hundreds" of dollars on a quad-core? Don't make me laugh too much, I'm getting ulcers. A year ago a quad-core processor was over $1k, and a dual-core processor clocked at the exact same speed as the Q6600 cost more than Q6600 does today. $280 for a quad-core processor is a hell of a deal.

As for buying soemthing that will work just as good, the E6750 and E6550 (both less than $200) completely outclass anything AMD has at that price point. It's only when you start having a processor and motherboard budget of less than $250 or so when you'll start seeing AMD being a better deal than Intel in terms of stock performance.

As for people going overkill I point out all those things as well - I never recommend the Q6700, nor do I recommend an 850w power supply unless someone needs one. 4GB of RAM is preference and depends on the machine, but by and large, I point out the thing that I believe is most important: When someone is not getting their money's worth. Buying an X2 6000+ brand new when you can get an E6750 that tears it apart for around the same price is not getting your money's worth. More performance for the money, not just more performance.

Took the words outta my mouth. Nice job.

and the phenom is right around the corner

sabbath2gamer

they have been saying that for a year now

People are forgeting when AMD held the market for best cpus before intel released thier core duo's. Its a race when AMD comes out with something innovative Intel copies to get in the lead again and then visversa. AMD is just a little bite out of a pie hmmmm..... while intel is the rest of the peice. Intel has billions backingup them up for creating stuff. AMD has to be creative compare to intel because of money. I always root for the little guy, what I dont get is if intels cpus now give you 160+ fps vs amd's 120-130 ish+ fpswhen you cant see pass a (steady) 40 fps anyways, I know its about bragging rights.04dcarraher

exactly:)

People are forgeting when AMD held the market for best cpus before intel released thier core duo's. Its a race when AMD comes out with something innovative Intel copies to get in the lead again and then visversa. AMD is just a little bite out of a pie hmmmm..... while intel is the rest of the peice. Intel has billions backingup them up for creating stuff. AMD has to be creative compare to intel because of money. I always root for the little guy, what I dont get is if intels cpus now give you 160+ fps vs amd's 120-130 ish+ fpswhen you cant see pass a (steady) 40 fps anyways, I know its about bragging rights.04dcarraher

So you're rewarding the company who has the poorer performing products? Intel (and AMD when they took over the Pentium 4) spent billions of dollars of their own profits on developing a new product, yet you reward the opposing company who has the poorer performing product?

Good thing there aren't much ignorant consumers such as yourself, or else we'd see a stop to innovation and research and development.

Feel free to continue buying less performing products, but don't push your choices to other users. If someone comes onto this forum and asks for the best CPU money can buy, everyone here should be recommending the Core 2 Duo without hesitation.

Same goes for graphics/motherboards/PSU/etc. You can hold your own personal preferences but if someone comes to you for advice, you should point them to the BEST product that their money can buy.

look if you want a good machine buy AMD

AMD x2 5600 2.8GHz and can easily be overclocked theres a review on newegg saying he overclocked it 3.2GHz but that was just a review

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103771

for the motherboard i would recommend the M2R32 580x this board is a beast and has some pretty good ocing utilities

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131095

im not recommending this board for the crossfire abilities but the fact that you can OC a cpu like a beast its awsome with raid lots of PCI slots (including crossfire) and its ASUS:P

i wouldnt think you would need to go crossfire cuz one 8800 or 2900pro/xt will be all you need.

ATI has some good cards that are also cheap like the 2900pro

but

nvidia is releasing some 8800 gt or newer version of the gts from what i heard

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]People are forgeting when AMD held the market for best cpus before intel released thier core duo's. Its a race when AMD comes out with something innovative Intel copies to get in the lead again and then visversa. AMD is just a little bite out of a pie hmmmm..... while intel is the rest of the peice. Intel has billions backingup them up for creating stuff. AMD has to be creative compare to intel because of money. I always root for the little guy, what I dont get is if intels cpus now give you 160+ fps vs amd's 120-130 ish+ fpswhen you cant see pass a (steady) 40 fps anyways, I know its about bragging rights.Wesker776

So you're rewarding the company who has the poorer performing products? Intel (and AMD when they took over the Pentium 4) spent billions of dollars of their own profits on developing a new product, yet you reward the opposing company who has the poorer performing product?

Good thing there aren't much ignorant consumers such as yourself, or else we'd see a stop to innovation and research and development.

Feel free to continue buying less performing products, but don't push your choices to other users. If someone comes onto this forum and asks for the best CPU money can buy, everyone here should be recommending the Core 2 Duo without hesitation.

Same goes for graphics/motherboards/PSU/etc. You can hold your own personal preferences but if someone comes to you for advice, you should point them to the BEST product that their money can buy.

No, Im saying support the little guys, intel is almost a monoply on the cpu front and if they had nobody to confront them,you wont be getting low price high performing stuff. AMD has to be more creative than intel like the ddr memory controller on the cpu because they dont have endless walet. You can buy what you want from whoever I dont care, I used to be an intel guy years ago but when I tried AMD I knew from then on AMD isbfor the most is the best bang for your buck. AMD and Intel will go back in fourth for the lead. But really 6 months from nowpeople will be going back to AMD then Intel etc..

AMD has better alpha engineers than Intel.Spindoc_SEI

AMD has better alpha engineers than Intel.Spindoc_SEI

If they have better engineers, why does Intel out perform them????

AMD has better alpha engineers than Intel.Spindoc_SEI

People are forgeting when AMD held the market for best cpus before intel released thier core duo's. Its a race when AMD comes out with something innovative Intel copies to get in the lead again and then visversa. AMD is just a little bite out of a pie hmmmm..... while intel is the rest of the peice. Intel has billions backingup them up for creating stuff. AMD has to be creative compare to intel because of money. I always root for the little guy, what I dont get is if intels cpus now give you 160+ fps vs amd's 120-130 ish+ fpswhen you cant see pass a (steady) 40 fps anyways, I know its about bragging rights.04dcarraher

AMD created what exactly?

No, Im saying support the little guys, intel is almost a monoply on the cpu front and if they had nobody to confront them,you wont be getting low price high performing stuff. AMD has to be more creative than intel like the ddr memory controller on the cpu because they dont have endless walet. You can buy what you want from whoever I dont care, I used to be an intel guy years ago but when I tried AMD I knew from then on AMD isbfor the most is the best bang for your buck. AMD and Intel will go back in fourth for the lead. But really 6 months from nowpeople will be going back to AMD then Intel etc..

04dcarraher

This isn't a damn sport. You don't just support the little guys for the sake of it.

You should reward the company (whichever it is) who has the better performing product for the price. Currently that is Intel on the medium to high end and AMD on the low end. Period.

look if you want a good machine buy AMD

AMD x2 5600 2.8GHz and can easily be overclocked theres a review on newegg saying he overclocked it 3.2GHz but that was just a review

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103771

for the motherboard i would recommend the M2R32 580x this board is a beast and has some pretty good ocing utilities

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131095

im not recommending this board for the crossfire abilities but the fact that you can OC a cpu like a beast its awsome with raid lots of PCI slots (including crossfire) and its ASUS:P

i wouldnt think you would need to go crossfire cuz one 8800 or 2900pro/xt will be all you need.

ATI has some good cards that are also cheap like the 2900pro

but

nvidia is releasing some 8800 gt or newer version of the gts from what i heard

sabbath2gamer

So? An E4400 can be overclocked to 3.2GHz on a Gigabyte P35-DS3L, offering superior performance.

Further, ATi's RV670 looks to be the better performing product than the 8800 GT. DX10.1 capabilities, R600 design with possible improved to texture units and core/SP's clocked at 825MHz.

Both of you need to drop your fanboy or pity goggles and wake up.

AMD has better alpha engineers than Intel.Spindoc_SEI

So that's why AMD have the better performing product--Oh s***, wait...

Both sides have talented engineers capable of delivering promising final products. It's just that Intel's engineers have rolled out one beast of an architecture.

Ha...talking about fanboy

your the fanboy for intel your like a groupie $lut for intel lol

all im saying is that AMD can offer just as good performance at a decent price

sabbath2gamer

[QUOTE="Wesker776"][QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

No, Im saying support the little guys, intel is almost a monoply on the cpu front and if they had nobody to confront them,you wont be getting low price high performing stuff. AMD has to be more creative than intel like the ddr memory controller on the cpu because they dont have endless walet. You can buy what you want from whoever I dont care, I used to be an intel guy years ago but when I tried AMD I knew from then on AMD isbfor the most is the best bang for your buck. AMD and Intel will go back in fourth for the lead. But really 6 months from nowpeople will be going back to AMD then Intel etc..

sabbath2gamer

This isn't a damn sport. You don't just support the little guys for the sake of it.

You should reward the company (whichever it is) who has the better performing product for the price. Currently that is Intel on the medium to high end and AMD on the low end. Period.

look if you want a good machine buy AMD

AMD x2 5600 2.8GHz and can easily be overclocked theres a review on newegg saying he overclocked it 3.2GHz but that was just a review

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103771

for the motherboard i would recommend the M2R32 580x this board is a beast and has some pretty good ocing utilities

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131095

im not recommending this board for the crossfire abilities but the fact that you can OC a cpu like a beast its awsome with raid lots of PCI slots (including crossfire) and its ASUS:P

i wouldnt think you would need to go crossfire cuz one 8800 or 2900pro/xt will be all you need.

ATI has some good cards that are also cheap like the 2900pro

but

nvidia is releasing some 8800 gt or newer version of the gts from what i heard

sabbath2gamer

So? An E4400 can be overclocked to 3.2GHz on a Gigabyte P35-DS3L, offering superior performance.

Further, ATi's RV670 looks to be the better performing product than the 8800 GT. DX10.1 capabilities, R600 design with possible improved to texture units and core/SP's clocked at 825MHz.

Both of you need to drop your fanboy or pity goggles and wake up.

Ha...talking about fanboy

your the fanboy for intel your like a groupie $lut for intel lol

all im saying is that AMD can offer just as good performance at a decent price

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Wait, you're calling me the fanboy? The guy who recommends AMD for users across all demands because AMD delivers "good enough performance". Please, I suggest you get yourself checked out.

You know, I've seen PLENTY of AMD fans like you ever since the Core 2 Duo came out.
"Go with AMD, they offer good enough performance"
"There'll be a monopoly, go for AMD"
"What's the difference between 100 FPS and 130 FPS? Go AMD, they're good enough"
...

Unlike you, I'm not a fanboy that forces my choices to other users wanting help. Back in the NetBurst days I had a Pentium 4 in my office rig and a Pentium D in my gaming rig, but I always recommended AMD to other users wanting a new gaming rig. I aknowledged that AMD was king, and so I recommended them without question to others.

Finally, no your last statement is false. Look at your posts.
"if you want a good rig go for AMD"
"nah, AMD is just as good as Intel, but cheaper"
"Just get a 5200+ and overclock it with this board. It overclocks like a beast"

All fanboys are the same, and you're one of them. ;)

nah amd is just as good as intel and cheaper.

some good processors out there for AMD are

5600

6000

6400 black edition

and the phenom is right around the corner

sabbath2gamer

5200 is good too. 2.6ghz with 2mb L2 cache. $130

Well im not a high end person and im definately not spending alot of money. Im just gonna get some new ram a new mboard and maybe a 5000+ cpu. I currently use a 3800 toledo. I assume that a 5000+ would be about a 30% difference? Im also upgrading to 3 gb ddr2 ram. I should be set for crysis :)Smiley_vivi

There is no such thing as a Toledo-core X2 3800, only an X2 4000, 4400, and 4800 Toledo-core. That being said, you will NOT see a 30% peformance increase for general use, or even in games. Nor will you want to upgrade to that stuff anyway with Penryn and Phenom right around the corner, and you having a decent machine already. Keep your upgrading pants on, it's not time to leave the X2 3800 just yet.

[QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"]

nah amd is just as good as intel and cheaper.

some good processors out there for AMD are

5600

6000

6400 black edition

and the phenom is right around the corner

portujoel5

5200 is good too. 2.6ghz with 2mb L2 cache. $130

oh yah dude 5200 is good im actually using one right now:)

Well im not a high end person and im definately not spending alot of money. Im just gonna get some new ram a new mboard and maybe a 5000+ cpu. I currently use a 3800 toledo. I assume that a 5000+ would be about a 30% difference? Im also upgrading to 3 gb ddr2 ram. I should be set for crysis :)Smiley_vivi

And AMD wins

[QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"][QUOTE="Wesker776"][QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

No, Im saying support the little guys, intel is almost a monoply on the cpu front and if they had nobody to confront them,you wont be getting low price high performing stuff. AMD has to be more creative than intel like the ddr memory controller on the cpu because they dont have endless walet. You can buy what you want from whoever I dont care, I used to be an intel guy years ago but when I tried AMD I knew from then on AMD isbfor the most is the best bang for your buck. AMD and Intel will go back in fourth for the lead. But really 6 months from nowpeople will be going back to AMD then Intel etc..

Wesker776

This isn't a damn sport. You don't just support the little guys for the sake of it.

You should reward the company (whichever it is) who has the better performing product for the price. Currently that is Intel on the medium to high end and AMD on the low end. Period.

look if you want a good machine buy AMD

AMD x2 5600 2.8GHz and can easily be overclocked theres a review on newegg saying he overclocked it 3.2GHz but that was just a review

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103771

for the motherboard i would recommend the M2R32 580x this board is a beast and has some pretty good ocing utilities

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131095

im not recommending this board for the crossfire abilities but the fact that you can OC a cpu like a beast its awsome with raid lots of PCI slots (including crossfire) and its ASUS:P

i wouldnt think you would need to go crossfire cuz one 8800 or 2900pro/xt will be all you need.

ATI has some good cards that are also cheap like the 2900pro

but

nvidia is releasing some 8800 gt or newer version of the gts from what i heard

sabbath2gamer

So? An E4400 can be overclocked to 3.2GHz on a Gigabyte P35-DS3L, offering superior performance.

Further, ATi's RV670 looks to be the better performing product than the 8800 GT. DX10.1 capabilities, R600 design with possible improved to texture units and core/SP's clocked at 825MHz.

Both of you need to drop your fanboy or pity goggles and wake up.

Ha...talking about fanboy

your the fanboy for intel your like a groupie $lut for intel lol

all im saying is that AMD can offer just as good performance at a decent price

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Wait, you're calling me the fanboy? The guy who recommends AMD for users across all demands because AMD delivers "good enough performance". Please, I suggest you get yourself checked out.

You know, I've seen PLENTY of AMD fans like you ever since the Core 2 Duo came out.
"Go with AMD, they offer good enough performance"
"There'll be a monopoly, go for AMD"
"What's the difference between 100 FPS and 130 FPS? Go AMD, they're good enough"
...

Unlike you, I'm not a fanboy that forces my choices to other users wanting help. Back in the NetBurst days I had a Pentium 4 in my office rig and a Pentium D in my gaming rig, but I always recommended AMD to other users wanting a new gaming rig. I aknowledged that AMD was king, and so I recommended them without question to others.

Finally, no your last statement is false. Look at your posts.
"if you want a good rig go for AMD"
"nah, AMD is just as good as Intel, but cheaper"
"Just get a 5200+ and overclock it with this board. It overclocks like a beast"

All fanboys are the same, and you're one of them. ;)

trust me im no fanboy i was thinking of going with intel and a p35 motheroad but i was low on cash and a friend of mine had an AMD rig i checked it out and i said heck thats all i need.

I used to be an ATI/AMD user, Now I'm nVidia/Intel. I just buy whatevers better.Hellsing2o2

cool i rememebr when you were asking for help on building a rig nvidia is awsome i prefer ATI though

right now i have an x1950pro but myabe in the future i will upgrade to a new g9 ow whatever the people are babling about

but

ATi going to release the new RV670 (if thats the one im thinking of)

AMD has better alpha engineers than Intel.Spindoc_SEI

Uh huh. I recall a guy saying that about nVidia when the 2900 was released and didn't beat the GTX.

Number one, people tend to forget that most companies lose one or two generations before being able to catch up or take the lead.

Number two, why do people care about defending a company/being a fanboy? Go for what is best for the price point.

Also, the guy is right about the amount of FPS. It doesn't matter to your eye when it is above 30 but you shouldn't settle for something lower when you can get something better for the same price.

Also, the guy is right about the amount of FPS. It doesn't matter to your eye when it is above 30 but you shouldn't settle for something lower when you can get something better for the same price.

Cdscottie

[QUOTE="Spindoc_SEI"]AMD has better alpha engineers than Intel.Cdscottie

Uh huh. I recall a guy saying that about nVidia when the 2900 was released and didn't beat the GTX.

Number one, people tend to forget that most companies lose one or two generations before being able to catch up or take the lead.

Number two, why do people care about defending a company/being a fanboy? Go for what is best for the price point.

Also, the guy is right about the amount of FPS. It doesn't matter to your eye when it is above 30 but you shouldn't settle for something lower when you can get something better for the same price.