Is it Just me or did LOTRO waste soo much potential

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#1 tzweck
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I went out and bought this game about 2 days after its realese with anticipation and a firm beleif that it was going to be a solid game with good values, graphics, replay value etc....

after strating the game and relalizing you couldnt be bad only good i was going off and then as me and my mate got into it and started playing i was shocked to learn that if im ahead of him in story he does not show up on my map and i cant see him, i was thinking to myself what the point of even making this game an mmo if i cant play with my mates just cause there not up to me and thers no pvp ????????????????????? it left me puzzeld and i simply cannceld my account and now im waiting for HUXLEY, does anyone else agree with me when i say wat waste soo much potential

 

cheers 

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#2 sircyrus
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No, I don't think it wasted it's potential.

#1 they didn't hide the fact you can't be 'bad' in the game.

#2 There is PvP. In it you get to play as a monster (spider/wolf/orc) and fight against players.

#3 You can play with your friend. That story advancement is you leaving the beginner tutorial area and entering the actual game world. That is a one time thing. Once your friend is out of the tutorial it wouldn't matter if he's level 6 and you're level 50, you'd be able to see eachother and you could help him.

You were too quick to judge the game and bought it without reading any write-ups on it to learn what it offers. It's not their fault if you expected it to be something different because of that.

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#3 RK-Mara
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Rofl! Haven't you heard of ''newbie-areas'' before?

 You must have done really bad research if you didn't know that you can't be a ''bad guy''.

 What's up with all these bad guy cliches in every game?

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#4 Sushbag88
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Sounds like you didn't do any research on the game before buying it. Go back to WoW.

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I went out and bought this game about 2 days after its realese with anticipation and a firm beleif that it was going to be a solid game with good values, graphics, replay value etc....

after strating the game and relalizing you couldnt be bad only good i was going off and then as me and my mate got into it and started playing i was shocked to learn that if im ahead of him in story he does not show up on my map and i cant see him, i was thinking to myself what the point of even making this game an mmo if i cant play with my mates just cause there not up to me and thers no pvp ????????????????????? it left me puzzeld and i simply cannceld my account and now im waiting for HUXLEY, does anyone else agree with me when i say wat waste soo much potential

 

cheers

tzweck

 

Well for one.???????????? That means nothing to us. Don't use a thousand question marks. We get your point. And our point is you don't know what you are doing. You obviously didn't pay any attention to the game and what it offers like the gentlemen above me.

 

So before you go judging something you hardly even touched. Erm, well go do something else and be happy.  

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#6 vfibsux
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Freaking fanboys.

 

Just because the guy did not do his homework does not mean the game does not lack potential, it certainly does. Turbine had a HUGE opportunity to do so much more with this license, the masses were calling for good vs. evil pvp since the announcement of this game and they ignored it. It had MUCH more potential than what they did with it, it will share the same shelf life as all the other kill this and level games out there. Monster play, gimme a break! They dropped the ball, could have been a epic game if they made where you could play evil as well. Reminds me of another City of Heroes, they realized they screwed up by not making it so you could be a villian too, yea they tried to make up for it but too little too late. LOTRO will share the same fate. There are more MMORPG's coming out, sooner or later one will get it right and your little Hobbit community will dwindle to nothing. Have fun.

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#7 -wildflower-
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Freaking WoWtards....

 The masses weren't and aren't screaming for "good vs. evil".  The vast majority of MMORPG players actually couldn't care less about PvP.  Besides, there actually IS PvP in LotRO.  It's just not the passe cookie-cutter variety you get in a generic and homoginized game like WoW.  God forbid developers actually try to do something different. 

 

Seriously, I think a lot of these new MMORPG gamers should probably stick with their consoles and leave PC games for the grown ups.  

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#8 proteKYFM
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Honestly, there was no huge hype or potential to begin with. It was speculated that it would be something similar to WoW, with nothing too flashy or innovative and it delivered. It's a dumbed down MMORPG, probably the perfect game to new MMO players or former WoW players.
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#9 loky3000
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Having played WoW for over 2 years i found LOTR:O to be extremely dull , the combat system is a direct ripoff from what you find in WoW , classes took less then 5 minutes to think up and the fact that there is no REAL pvp in the game , nor is there an evil side to it .

 

 

Say whatever you want and spit on WoW while your at it , but LOTR:O is a game suited for those who never played any other MMO's before it because it lack content and originality . The fact that you can only play a "good guy" in the game just makes it more appealing to care-bears . 

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#10 burticvs
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Sounds like you didn't do any research on the game before buying it. Go back to WoW.

Sushbag88

 

You hit the proverbial nail on the head. Don't get mad because you didn't research the game. There were plenty of people that played int he beta that posted about the game.

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#11 zero9167
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[QUOTE="Sushbag88"]

Sounds like you didn't do any research on the game before buying it. Go back to WoW.

burticvs

 

You hit the proverbial nail on the head. Don't get mad because you didn't research the game. There were plenty of people that played int he beta that posted about the game.

 thats not his point. He is just saying the game could have been much better using the LOTR license
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#12 MTBare
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I was dissapointed in this game as well. The PVP is lame, and since I came from DaoC, in a MMO that's what I'm all about.
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#13 sircyrus
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Freaking fanboys.

Just because the guy did not do his homework does not mean the game does not lack potential, it certainly does. vfibsux

This has nothing to do with being a fanboy or not. The guy barely got out of the tutorial and he'd already made his mind up about the game.

That's like installing Half-Life, loading it up, then uninstalling it and saying it sucks because you don't get to shoot anything and the game world is so small. For the first 10minutes or so you're just walking around.

As for PvP sucking, maybe you need to think back to WoW's PvP. When the game came out PvP was pointless and mindless. There were no battlegrounds, there was no honor system, there were no rewards from PvPing. Features evolve with the game, LOTRO's monster play will likely be expanded far more.

The poster was ticked off because the game doesn't have PvP and he couldn't play with his friend. He has been corrected. I guess we should all go ahead and agree with incorrect posts like his in the future though so we don't get labelled as "fanboys". Get real man.

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Freaking fanboys.

 

Just because the guy did not do his homework does not mean the game does not lack potential, it certainly does. Turbine had a HUGE opportunity to do so much more with this license, the masses were calling for good vs. evil pvp since the announcement of this game and they ignored it. It had MUCH more potential than what they did with it, it will share the same shelf life as all the other kill this and level games out there. Monster play, gimme a break! They dropped the ball, could have been a epic game if they made where you could play evil as well. Reminds me of another City of Heroes, they realized they screwed up by not making it so you could be a villian too, yea they tried to make up for it but too little too late. LOTRO will share the same fate. There are more MMORPG's coming out, sooner or later one will get it right and your little Hobbit community will dwindle to nothing. Have fun.

vfibsux

Wow tough guy. Some of us are not PvP players. They will be adding it later. So chill out. You don't really pay attention to anything. Just borrow mommy and daddys money to build a computer. All your worth. And you relize all you had talked about what the PVP and nothing else?  

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Yes it's just a WOW clone
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#16 -wildflower-
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Having played WoW for over 2 years i found LOTR:O to be extremely dull , the combat system is a direct ripoff from what you find in WoW , classes took less then 5 minutes to think up and the fact that there is no REAL pvp in the game , nor is there an evil side to it .

 

 

Say whatever you want and spit on WoW while your at it , but LOTR:O is a game suited for those who never played any other MMO's before it because it lack content and originality . The fact that you can only play a "good guy" in the game just makes it more appealing to care-bears .

loky3000

 

LotRO lacks content and originality?  It's a WoW ripoff?  That's the funniest thing I've read in a long time.  You Blizzard fanatics really give me a chuckle.  You do realize that a lot of those "original" concepts you've been plaing in WoW for the past two years were stolen from companies like Turbine and Sony, right?  Actually, I liked WoW better the first time it was released...when it was called Asheron's Call 2.

I suppose the next thing you'll tell us is that Blizzard invented fire and on the seventh day Blizzard rested.

Anyhow, get a clue (or out of the fifth grade) before you run off flapping about who stole what and from whom.  Sheesh....

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#17 RK-Mara
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You do realize that a lot of those "original" concepts you've been plaing in WoW for the past two years were stolen from companies like Turbine and Sony, right? Actually, I liked WoW better the first time it was released...when it was called Asheron's Call 2.

-wildflower-

 Rofl yeah. Turbine is stealing their own ideas? Turbine is an MMO veteran.

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[QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

You do realize that a lot of those "original" concepts you've been plaing in WoW for the past two years were stolen from companies like Turbine and Sony, right? Actually, I liked WoW better the first time it was released...when it was called Asheron's Call 2.

RK-Mara

 Rofl yeah. Turbine is stealing their own ideas? Turbine is an MMO veteran.

Veterans of crap games :\

AC2
DnDO
LOTRO

 

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I went out and bought this game about 2 days after its realese with anticipation and a firm beleif that it was going to be a solid game with good values, graphics, replay value etc....

after strating the game and relalizing you couldnt be bad only good i was going off and then as me and my mate got into it and started playing i was shocked to learn that if im ahead of him in story he does not show up on my map and i cant see him, i was thinking to myself what the point of even making this game an mmo if i cant play with my mates just cause there not up to me and thers no pvp ????????????????????? it left me puzzeld and i simply cannceld my account and now im waiting for HUXLEY, does anyone else agree with me when i say wat waste soo much potential

 

cheers

tzweck

Since when has an MMORPG ever had bad guys? Don't say WoW - the Horde aren't 'evil', they're just against the Alliance. 

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#20 jalopies
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Since when has an MMORPG ever had bad guys? Don't say WoW - the Horde aren't 'evil', they're just against the Alliance.

It takes different strokes to rule the world!

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#21 sircyrus
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Since when has an MMORPG ever had bad guys? Don't say WoW - the Horde aren't 'evil', they're just against the Alliance. Taalon
City of Villains is one example. The point is that playing as a bad guy here wouldn't agree with the Tolkien lore. Atleast not being able to play 1-50 as one.
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#22 Kevin-V
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Since when has an MMORPG ever had bad guys? Don't say WoW - the Horde aren't 'evil', they're just against the Alliance.

Taalon

Since Everquest had a Qeynos and a Freeport; since Anarchy Online had Omni-Tek and Clans. And yes, Alliance vs. Horde are roughly equivalent to good vs. evil. That is, after all, the entire point. Games may not brand factions as purely good and purely evil, but they indeed boil down to good vs. evil.

But a good MMO doesn't have to offer a bad and a good in your character choice to be worthwhile. Regarding LOTRO's supposed rip-offs of World of Warcraft, many of these statements are assumptions made by those who have never played an MMO prior to WoW. WoW is a superb game, but many of its basic mechanics were used in multiple MMOs that came before. Blizzard may have honed the formula, but games like Asheron's Call and Everquest helped establish it. It isn't fair to assume that LOTRO borrowed from WoW simply because it has a hotbar, or a minimap, or click-based combat, or multi-layer quests, or instanced dungeons, or crafting, or addictive gameplay, or leveling, or...... or.....

My point is that a game doesn't have to revolutionize the genre, or be a lot different from the games that came before it, to be good. WoW was a natural progression of what came before; it was the right game at the right time. That doesn't mean that Blizzard is fully responsible for the progression of MMOs. After all, Asheron's Call 2 was highly streamlined and accessible, but it was also underpopulated and quite unlike the original Asheron's Call, which alienated a lot of experienced role players.

However you look at it, at this stage of the game, LOTRO is a great addition to the genre. It may occasionally feel like it is missing some depth, but it's a fun game to play, and that counts for a lot in my book. Only time will tell just how good the PvP will be, but at very least, it's a system with potential that allows you to play as an evil character without disrupting the nature of the main hero-oriented gameplay.

For what it's worth, that doesn't mean it isn't slightly disappointing that there aren't more classes and races. Looking outside the license for a moment and looking it purely as an MMO, it's hard for 4 races and 7 classes to compete with games like Everquest 2, which feature large numbers of classes from which to choose. Indeed, the license limits the possibilities, but it's still a consideration for anyone looking into a new online RPG.

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I went out and bought this game about 2 days after its realese with anticipation and a firm beleif that it was going to be a solid game with good values, graphics, replay value etc....

after strating the game and relalizing you couldnt be bad only good i was going off and then as me and my mate got into it and started playing i was shocked to learn that if im ahead of him in story he does not show up on my map and i cant see him, i was thinking to myself what the point of even making this game an mmo if i cant play with my mates just cause there not up to me and thers no pvp ????????????????????? it left me puzzeld and i simply cannceld my account and now im waiting for HUXLEY, does anyone else agree with me when i say wat waste soo much potential

 

cheers

tzweck
I played the beta, and to be honest, I don't see how anybody cool want to play this game.
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I played the beta, and to be honest, I don't see how anybody cool want to play this game.l-_-l

I don't play games to be cool. I play games because I enjoy them.

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Having played WoW for over 2 years i found LOTR:O to be extremely dull , the combat system is a direct ripoff from what you find in WoW , classes took less then 5 minutes to think up and the fact that there is no REAL pvp in the game , nor is there an evil side to it .

 

 

Say whatever you want and spit on WoW while your at it , but LOTR:O is a game suited for those who never played any other MMO's before it because it lack content and originality . The fact that you can only play a "good guy" in the game just makes it more appealing to care-bears .

loky3000

clearly you've never played everquest 

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[QUOTE="l-_-l"]I played the beta, and to be honest, I don't see how anybody cool want to play this game.Kevin-V

I don't play games to be cool. I play games because I enjoy them.

Lol if I could invent a game that was "cool" to play, I would be rich. 

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[QUOTE="l-_-l"]I played the beta, and to be honest, I don't see how anybody cool want to play this game.Kevin-V

I don't play games to be cool. I play games because I enjoy them.

I think he meant could but that spelling error changed the whole meaning of the sentence lol

edit:wow i made a few spelling errors myself -.- 

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[QUOTE="Kevin-V"]

[QUOTE="l-_-l"]I played the beta, and to be honest, I don't see how anybody cool want to play this game.Swiftstrike5

I don't play games to be cool. I play games because I enjoy them.

Lol if I could invent a game that was "cool" to play, I would be rich. 

You mean:

"Lol if I could invent a game that was "cool" to play, I would work for Blizzard."

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ok, i didn't get far in the game but the professions and the AH are all just rip offs of WoW striped down to the bear minimum.

Turbine stated that the reason they didnt give the option of being evil was for te game to remain true to the books but the quests and what went on with story had nothing to do with the books, maybe later on there would have been stuff to relate the books with but im not going to keep on paying money to play a crap game which was not player friendly and a game which should of had more options in who you could be and what class you could be, eg: the Ministril was the crappest class i have ever seen, he played a damn banjo to attack his enemies and the fact that the Lore - Master has a crow as a pet which doesnt even attack the enimie is the dumbest idea ever   

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ok, i didn't get far in the game but the professions and the AH are all just rip offs of WoW striped down to the bear minimum.

Turbine stated that the reason they didnt give the option of being evil was for te game to remain true to the books but the quests and what went on with story had nothing to do with the books, maybe later on there would have been stuff to relate the books with but im not going to keep on paying money to play a crap game which was not player friendly and a game which should of had more options in who you could be and what class you could be, eg: the Ministril was the crappest class i have ever seen, he played a damn banjo to attack his enemies and the fact that the Lore - Master has a crow as a pet which doesnt even attack the enimie is the dumbest idea ever

tzweck

First of all yes it does have a LOT to do with the story.It follows an epic questline which takes you through instances where you meet LOTRO characters and have to do something with the storyline of the book.I never messed with professions so i dont know about that.And WoW isn't the only game with an AH you know?Minstrels are actually pretty cool.Yes so they play a banjo to attack...thats their style :p.Lore master's pet can attack so i dont know what your talking about.

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#31 tzweck
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i dont get mad cause i didnt do my research on this game, the Beta's never give you much to play with and there are people like some of you guys who love these games and say how good they are when clearly to me they are terrible. thats why i dont research and stuff because somebody might like the mechanics, models etc..... but others think it sucks  so you realy have to play a game for urself to judge if you like it or not

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ok, i didn't get far in the game but the professions and the AH are all just rip offs of WoW striped down to the bear minimum.

Turbine stated that the reason they didnt give the option of being evil was for te game to remain true to the books but the quests and what went on with story had nothing to do with the books, maybe later on there would have been stuff to relate the books with but im not going to keep on paying money to play a crap game which was not player friendly and a game which should of had more options in who you could be and what class you could be, eg: the Ministril was the crappest class i have ever seen, he played a damn banjo to attack his enemies and the fact that the Lore - Master has a crow as a pet which doesnt even attack the enimie is the dumbest idea ever   

tzweck

The quests that occur do tie into the books a bit, but no they don't follow it exactly because the fellowship in the book is made up of the main characters. You can't have thousands of people online all playing Frodo or Legolas.

As for the AH and professions being rip-offs from WoW... no.

Professions: There are only so many ways to deal with professions - you collect materials and turn them into items. How it differs from WoW is that you choose 3 professions at once, for example an Explorer is a Tailor/Prospector/Forester. You can't pick just 1 profession. That's different from WoW (1). Then you have a certain amount of points you have to earn before moving onto the next rank. Each rank gives you a list of items you can create and get skill off of for that entire rank, rather than you unlocking new items every few skill points, as in WoW. That's different from WoW (2). Additionally, once you've earned enough points to get to the next rank you can work on mastering the previous rank, allowing you to create mastery items. That's different from WoW (3). Finally, you can use certain items to improve your chances of a critical success (mastery option) which will give you a much better item than the one you're intending to make, or increased ingots if smelting, leather if sewing, etc. That's again different from WoW (4).

So in short, the only thing the professions have in common with WoW is that you collect materials to create items, and you get a toggle skill to search for resources on your radar. Infact there's more options there than WoW so I don't see where you can call it a rip-off of WoW stripped down to the bare minimum.

Auction House: Auction houses in MMO's existed prior to WoW's release, one example being in FFXI. WoW did not create the idea nor the implementation of it. LOTRO's auction house interface does look a lot like WoW's, which in turn looks a lot like FFXI's interface. I guess you'd have to argue that WoW ripped theirs off then LOTRO ripped of them. The point is, however, that WoW wasn't the first to do this.

I agree the minstrels are corny, but having played more MMO's than just WoW I can tell you that it isn't the first bard class to have ever been in a MMO. Everquest bard class had a little flute dance they'd do that puts the minstrel lameness to shame, lol :P And the lore-master's crow pet can attack. It's done by clicking the "Attack" button on it's hotbar that comes up when you summon it.

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#33 cametall
Member since 2003 • 7692 Posts

Go read some reviews before you get excited and buy some random game with a movie license.  The game is fine plays just like WoW but in the LotR universe.  They had a massive beta for you to try out but YOU did not take advantage of that. You could also be like some other people on these boards and cry and whine and beg for buddy trial keys.

Honestly some of you think WoW invented the AH or combat or the MMO genre?  Ever play EQ or UO?  No?  Only WoW?  Go away.