Is it true that Vista is a terrible OS for gaming?

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#1 mECHwARRIORx2
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Hi. I'm planning on buying an XPS when I save up enough money. The one I want (most of the XPS also) has Windows Vista. I was talking about it with my friend and he told me that getting a PC with Vista was a terrible idea because they are horrible for gaming. He told me that developers care about XP most (or something like that) and he said a lot of games won't install on Vista. I'm wondering how much of this is truth. Any help or comments would be appreciated.

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#2 insmdos
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None of it is truth. In fact, some games will only play on Vista. Vista is a bulk OS with a lot of bells and whistles for users that aren't necessarily tech savvy. With a few tweaks it will in fact run better than XP and will run your games just fine. Your friend is all bluster.
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#3 GamerrX
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look like this on vista you have directX 10 , on XP 9, so Vista wins, and that is verrrrry big diference!!! But Vista eats more memory so you should have a good rig...!!!
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#4 --Anna--
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Get Vista, it's fine for gaming. Cheers

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#5 NSR34GTR
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vista has dx 10 some games dont work on xp so vista wins
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#6 GamerrX
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But XP is more stabel.. :pPpPpPp
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#7 pukmok
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Just have 4GB of RAM. 2GB is not enough unless you want hard drive caching in the backround (you dont).

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#8 Im_single
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VIsta is fine for gaming, it also has DX10 make sure you have 3+ gigs or ram.
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#9 AdamPA1006
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Umm no I love Vista and would never go back to XP, and I game a ton.

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#10 RayvinAzn
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Developers care about XP most because some games don't install on Vista? Try the other way around - developers have stopped updating their games, and some of them used code that is incompatible with Vista. So yes, some older games won't work - however, you can say the same thing about every OS since Windows 95 when DOS was de-integrated, since they'll all have older games that won't run due to incompatibilities either.
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#11 Jade_Monkey
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Vista was a terrible OS for gaming ebfore SP1 came along. I am enjoying it now.

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#12 jamesfffan
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I almost fell out of my chair laughing at the guy saying xp is more stable, it is "stable", but it is 7 years old too, and I had more trouble on XP with bsods than i ever have with vista! lol unless he was being sarcastic, I being an early adopter of vista and from sp1's update swear by it, its got features I like and enjoy, with some tweaking its even faster, 4gb I recommend and 64-bit version of vista, its solid as a rock not a single bsod using my sig rig.

Your friend may have been really misinformed, vista is fantastic for gaming just requires slightly better hardware than xp does, vista has dx10 and soon dx11, framerates in games are perfectly fine high and all. It's been out for over 2 years now, your friend may be riding on the fact nvidia and other companies didnt have matured enough drivers from the get go, but that was resolved quickly and is now and has been for a long time an awesome OS. It might do you well to wait til around june/july to buy a machine from dell was it?, I hear they and other companies will be offering a cheap upgrade to windows 7 when it releases early 2010.

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Developers care about XP most because some games don't install on Vista? Try the other way around - developers have stopped updating their games, and some of them used code that is incompatible with Vista. So yes, some older games won't work - however, you can say the same thing about every OS since Windows 95 when DOS was de-integrated, since they'll all have older games that won't run due to incompatibilities either.RayvinAzn
and vista uses more resourses then xp meaning on vista your gonna get lower fps then on xp for me I find vista better in video ending and emulating though
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#14 mECHwARRIORx2
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Thanks a lot; you guys have been such a big help! Now I'm not afraid to get Vista. Should I wait for Windows 7 though?

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#15 redneckdouglas
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Get Vista now. Windows 7 is like just more user-friendly, alongwith new features for tech-geeks. Gamers could care less about it.

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#16 raynimrod
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Get Vista now. Windows 7 is like just more user-friendly, alongwith new features for tech-geeks. Gamers could care less about it.

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**Couldn't care less**

But yes Vista is perfectly fine for gaming, and if you want to enjoy games with DX10 features, then you simply cannot use XP. XP is great, but it's dated and is no longer supported by the wider industry.

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#17 zaku101
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XP 32bit=Awesome

Vista 32bit=crap for gaming

Vista 64bit=a little better than XP

Windows 7 64bit=better than XP and Vista

DX10=useless waste of FPS, if you could see the difference you've got amazing eyes. If you can't see the difference you sure can see the FPS drop.

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Best 32bit gaming performance is XP, don't waste your time with 32bit Vista

Best 64bit performance Windows 7

XP 64 and Vista 64 tie.

Last I looked NSR34GTR more games actually worked on XP than Vista.

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#18 codezer0
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It certainly was when it came out, for several reasons: - while it is great that Vista has done away with the native DOS stuff that caused SO many problems, it is simply a shame that there isn't at least a Microsoft update that allows playing those retro and old PC favorites on a new machine; especially for those who have a machine spec'd to the point that we need to be running the 64-bit version of Vista, which definitely can't natively run 16-bit software of any kind. Yes, there are ways around this, but many of them (such as using VMware or VirtualPC) require still having a copy of the older OS to run within it, and then you'd need additional resources to be able to run that virtual machine and still run stuff natively in a fluid manner. - speaking of the 64-bit Vista, one of the frustrations with unpatched Vista that I have is that it has a bug preventing you from finishing the install if you have 4+ GB RAM installed... rather counterintuitive for a 64-bit OS. The only way around this is to unplug the RAM to have less than 4GB installed, finish installing the OS, then plug the RAM back in. an SP1 integrated Vista shouldn't have this problem, but as of right now, I only have non-patched Vista discs, and to make a slipstreamed 64-bit Vista disc requires me having said Vista64 installed, updated, and then run vLite to make a new slipstreamed disc... needlessly inconvenient. - On the one hand, I applaud that vista has app-specific volume controls and replaced the need for a modern EAX for OpenAL... but then they take about five steps back by then removing the native ability to support hardware acceleration for audio at all. And keep in mind that EAX was a big component for DirectSound, which as of Vista's release was still used by the majority of games in the market, and chances are that most of your older games will need EAX still to have audio acceleration. So the only way to accelerate this stuff is using software like ALchemy which provides a wrapper for the EAX/DirectSound calls for OpenAL, which Creative only provides for free on their X-Fi cards. Moreover, the only drivers I know that employed the necessary workaround for hardware acceleration with Vista is - unsurprisingly - Creative's X-Fi. So basically we go from one creative-owned monopoly (with EAX) and now to another Creative-owned monopoly on the sound card market (for feature completeness). Yes there are cards to accelerate OpenAL now, but that won't do anything for the older OS's or the EAX-based audio stuff. - On paper, DirectX 10 has some great stuff to improve what can be done with games. On the other, it basically requires making a game from scratch in directx10, which most devs won't do. So even with 10, you still need to download the runtime to be able to run DX9 and older stuff on Vista, which is basically a wrapper to interpret it for DX10. :hmm: - on the same note, this was how Microsoft was going to try and handle OpenGL, too... in default, out-of-the-box install, OpenGL would be handled via emulation through DX9L, which was emulated again through for DX10, which resulted in ridiculous performance hits, completely unacceptable for use. The common solution that most graphics drivers employ is to provide the runtime and libraries in the driver to get around this and run OpenGL natively... or as natively as the new driver model allows. Problem is that you basically get into a position where some games may need the older runtime features, or a new runtime isn't fully tested. And it basically expands the vista display driver install considerably. One of my fave games that uses OpenGL is KotOR 1 & 2, and sadly the issues with getting it to run AT ALL in Vista are well known. No real word yet if it's been fully taken care of by now, since it is an old game now. [QUOTE="insmdos"]None of it is truth. In fact, some games will only play on Vista. Vista is a bulk OS with a lot of bells and whistles for users that aren't necessarily tech savvy. With a few tweaks it will in fact run better than XP and will run your games just fine. Your friend is all bluster.

Better question: what GOOD game out on Windows won't run on XP? Halo 2? pfeh... there's nothing in that game that would have validated the need for Vista, and there has been plenty of (successful) efforts to get it to run on an XP system, WITH better performance. Shadowrun? again, I was asking for GOOD games, and shadowrun isn't. Crysis an run in XP fine, unless you're talkinga bout the "Very high" preset... oh yea, and what was the big selling point of the warhead followup? Oh yea, that it actually had more than 30 minutes of optimizing so that it would run well on the kind of computers people actually owned, instead of what mythical godbox crytek thought we would all buy for their game.[QUOTE="NSR34GTR"]vista has dx 10 some games dont work on xp so vista wins

Again, WHAT PC game out there will work in Vista and not anywhere else that's worth mentioning? Microsoft tried that to pimp out windows live, and that worked SO well */sarcasm* that Microsoft finally backed down and made online play for Windows LIVE free instead of trying to bilk us for more cash. And what are you going to do about those great older games for your computer when your old one dies on you? You're going to want to play them on your new box, and then you find that you can't. And you'll be naturally pissed off. If anything, I'm looking forward to Windows 7 in the sense that I'm looking forward to it fixing what was so wrong with Vista in the first place and burying it in the past where it needs to be.
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#19 gamer082009
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Hi. I'm planning on buying an XPS when I save up enough money. The one I want (most of the XPS also) has Windows Vista. I was talking about it with my friend and he told me that getting a PC with Vista was a terrible idea because they are horrible for gaming. He told me that developers care about XP most (or something like that) and he said a lot of games won't install on Vista. I'm wondering how much of this is truth. Any help or comments would be appreciated.

mECHwARRIORx2
Your friend does not know what he's talking about. I've been gaming on Vista for over a year now and my games run just about the same. And the point he tried to make about developers caring about XP most is nonsense. Most developers now are developing games based off of DX10 technology which can only be had on Vista. Vista isn't amazing, but it does get the job done while gaming in DX10. So just get Vista, cuz the odds of you running into major issues are slim to none.
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#20 RayvinAzn
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DX10=useless waste of FPS, if you could see the difference you've got amazing eyes. If you can't see the difference you sure can see the FPS drop.zaku101
I love how people say DirectX 10 is a waste when we have yet to see a proper DirectX 10 game. The closest we've seen is Far Cry 2, which actually runs BETTER in DirectX 10 mode last I checked.
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#21 Dogswithguns
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Vista is great, Ive been playing lots of games with it, I will never look back to XP.
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#22 jamesfffan
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if you want to play really old games then most people would recommend XP, or 2000 (lol) or use vista and run in compatibility mode, but for people with hardware from the last 3-4 years and wish to play awesome games that are now, then vista is the way to go for the normal user, I suggest 64-bit vista though, 64-bit support for vista is rather good I think, some old 1995 printers might not work though lol!

There are some cases where pretty dated games such as kotor 1 n 2 don't seem to work either on install or crash while playing, but games dating back to 2004 Farcry 1(maxxed out, high fps all the time), elder scrolls oblivion 2005 (while playing check i get between 70-130fps ultra high), CoD2 (run in compatibility mode with xp sp2 works great), fear 1 2006 (i get 300+ fps on its bench) as examples of games made a while back all work great.

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#23 JonWood007
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My question with vista: will OLD games work? You know, stuff like the old C&C games and all and the old quake games.

That seems to be the biggest deterrence for me. I remember when I swtiched from 98 to XP half my game library wouldnt work on XP, and that was after downloading all necessary patches and using compatibility mode. Im worried this would happen with my current library. Even then, what about CSS and the battlefields?

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#24 imprezawrx500
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not true every new game works fine on vista and some run better on vista than xp.
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#25 gamer082009
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not true every new game works fine on vista and some run better on vista than xp. imprezawrx500
Exactly, people just love to jump on the hate Microsoft/Vista bandwagon. I'm not a big fan of Vista myself...but it IS NOT AS BAD AS PEOPLE TRY TO MAKE IT OUT TO BE!!!
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#26 Staryoshi87
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Vista is a superior operating system to XP for gaming and home use. It's plain and simple at this point.

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xp is supposed to be more stable but if you have good hardware and arent running vista youre just wasting it...

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Vista isn't terrible - but I've certainly found it to be lacking. Slower game performance, weird driver issues, and I found the bloat factor for me to be a little much to stomach.
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As far as gaming goes, the only upgrade for Vista DirectX10

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#30 s4dn3s5
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Wait for Windows 7, should come out at the end of the year... basically it would be like Vista but much more optimized (kernel, drivers, etc) There's a reason if MS is going to release W7 soon, Vista has been a flop.
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#31 matte3560
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XP 64 and Vista 64 tie. zaku101

Was a good post until that... Vista 64 is much more stable than XP 64, and less buggy.

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#32 RayvinAzn
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[QUOTE="s4dn3s5"] There's a reason if MS is going to release W7 soon, Vista has been a flop.

No, it's because MS is going back to a 2-3 year release cycle for its (desktop) operating systems, the way it was always done before XP. It also has less to do with Vista being truly terrible than it does with a bunch of malcontent computer noobs with little or no experience on any OS other than XP refusing to switch.
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#34 gamer082009
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[QUOTE="mECHwARRIORx2"]

Hi. I'm planning on buying an XPS when I save up enough money. The one I want (most of the XPS also) has Windows Vista. I was talking about it with my friend and he told me that getting a PC with Vista was a terrible idea because they are horrible for gaming. He told me that developers care about XP most (or something like that) and he said a lot of games won't install on Vista. I'm wondering how much of this is truth. Any help or comments would be appreciated.

roulettethedog

I game just fine with Vista and can even play old games from the Apple2e era. MOST who hate Vista have low-end systems.

lol, I completely agree...it's just a bunch of people with crappy hardware, expecting Microsoft to support Intel Celeron proeccessors...lol
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#35 Jamiemydearx3
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Download the Windows 7 RC1. (legally) on May 5th.

Its WAY faster then Vista. Atleast for me this is the case.

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#36 gamer082009
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Download the Windows 7 RC1. (legally) on May 5th.

Its WAY faster then Vista. Atleast for me this is the case.

Jamiemydearx3
I mean is it stable enough to use as your main OS? Because the last one I used did not work with my wireless Linksys card in my desktop. Can the same drivers be used in Windows 7 that you use in Vista? Anyone can answer please!
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#37 powerslide67
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[QUOTE="Jamiemydearx3"]

Download the Windows 7 RC1. (legally) on May 5th.

Its WAY faster then Vista. Atleast for me this is the case.

gamer082009

I mean is it stable enough to use as your main OS? Because the last one I used did not work with my wireless Linksys card in my desktop. Can the same drivers be used in Windows 7 that you use in Vista? Anyone can answer please!

yeah they work.

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#38 kemar7856
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[QUOTE="roulettethedog"]

[QUOTE="mECHwARRIORx2"]

Hi. I'm planning on buying an XPS when I save up enough money. The one I want (most of the XPS also) has Windows Vista. I was talking about it with my friend and he told me that getting a PC with Vista was a terrible idea because they are horrible for gaming. He told me that developers care about XP most (or something like that) and he said a lot of games won't install on Vista. I'm wondering how much of this is truth. Any help or comments would be appreciated.

gamer082009

I game just fine with Vista and can even play old games from the Apple2e era. MOST who hate Vista have low-end systems.

lol, I completely agree...it's just a bunch of people with crappy hardware, expecting Microsoft to support Intel Celeron proeccessors...lol

people expect to get better visuals,speed and software with the same old hardware lol
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#39 go-cizmek
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vista has dx 10 some games dont work on xp so vista winsNSR34GTR

Really? Name one game that doesn't run on XP.

I think XP beats Vista in gaming, since any older game is gonna have problems running on Vista, but any newer game will run on both Vista and XP.