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#1 trollop_scat
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People are starting to make fun of my old rig and I'm tempted to buy a new one but haven't been paying close attention.

I know Intel CPUs are the way to go and it looks like ATI is the way to go for video cards because they have 2GB and 4GB of on-board RAM. My goal is to power a 30 inch mintor at 25x16 resolution in most games.

Question: Is Socket LGA 1366 new, or is it going to be dead in a couple years? I can't upgrade my currecnt CPU because AMD doesn't make anything for Socket 939 any more so this is a big deal for me. I don't wanna buy a mobo with a dying socket, basically.

I'm all ears on which video card I should get but the ATI Radeon HD 5870 2GB seems like a good idea. The 4GB cards are obnoxiously expensive and I'm sure the next wave of $500 cards will come with 4GB or more, standard, so paying the premium now seems kinda stupid.

How important is name brand RAM? I'm not gonna over-clock it. Can I get away with having 6GB of the regular stuff?

SSDs seem outrageous too. Lots of $$$ for little space, they're like Manhattan real estate. Are they worth it? Are prices going to dramatically come down on those babies any time soon?

Sorry for all the questions but I don't wanna make an uniformed purchase. I'd appreciate any advice or tips you have...

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People are starting to make fun of my old rig and I'm tempted to buy a new one but haven't been paying close attention.

I know Intel CPUs are the way to go and it looks like ATI is the way to go for video cards because they have 2GB and 4GB of on-board RAM. My goal is to power a 30 inch mintor at 25x16 resolution in most games.

Question: Is Socket LGA 1366 new, or is it going to be dead in a couple years? I can't upgrade my currecnt CPU because AMD doesn't make anything for Socket 939 any more so this is a big deal for me. I don't wanna buy a mobo with a dying socket, basically.

I'm all ears on which video card I should get but the ATI Radeon HD 5870 2GB seems like a good idea. The 4GB cards are obnoxiously expensive and I'm sure the next wave of $500 cards will come with 4GB or more, standard, so paying the premium now seems kinda stupid.

How important is name brand RAM? I'm not gonna over-clock it. Can I get away with having 6GB of the regular stuff?

SSDs seem outrageous too. Lots of $$$ for little space, they're like Manhattan real estate. Are they worth it? Are prices going to dramatically come down on those babies any time soon?

Sorry for all the questions but I don't wanna make an uniformed purchase. I'd appreciate any advice or tips you have...

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IF u have the money go intel if your on a budget go amd but if your going to be gaming at 25x16 id suggest putting most of your money toward a high end gup and saving some money and go the amd route unless like i said you have the money and wana to go intel also are you going to run sli or Crossfire??

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People are starting to make fun of my old rig and I'm tempted to buy a new one but haven't been paying close attention.

I know Intel CPUs are the way to go and it looks like ATI is the way to go for video cards because they have 2GB and 4GB of on-board RAM. My goal is to power a 30 inch mintor at 25x16 resolution in most games.

Question: Is Socket LGA 1366 new, or is it going to be dead in a couple years? I can't upgrade my currecnt CPU because AMD doesn't make anything for Socket 939 any more so this is a big deal for me. I don't wanna buy a mobo with a dying socket, basically.

I'm all ears on which video card I should get but the ATI Radeon HD 5870 2GB seems like a good idea. The 4GB cards are obnoxiously expensive and I'm sure the next wave of $500 cards will come with 4GB or more, standard, so paying the premium now seems kinda stupid.

How important is name brand RAM? I'm not gonna over-clock it. Can I get away with having 6GB of the regular stuff?

SSDs seem outrageous too. Lots of $$$ for little space, they're like Manhattan real estate. Are they worth it? Are prices going to dramatically come down on those babies any time soon?

Sorry for all the questions but I don't wanna make an uniformed purchase. I'd appreciate any advice or tips you have...

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IMO Intel is too much money for a purely gaming computer. The i7 isn't worth it, and I would take a Phenom II X4 any day over and i5. But to answer your question, LGA1136 is defiantly not dead. If I was you however, I would go for an AM3 socket, and a Phenom II X4 955/965 and save some money. Generally speaking, ATI is currently still the way to go GPU wise. The GTX470 and GTX480 have been rumored to become discontinued because of their disgraceful power consumption, heat production, and lack of interest from the public. Basically the only reason to go Nvidia right now, is if you want something in the $200 price range, in which case you would want to look into the GTX460, which in contrast to the GTX470 and 480, is a smashing hit for Nvidia. That aside, I would either get a 5870, or really go all out and get a 5970 for that res. I'm not sure of what the effect of the extra memory will have on your huge res. because I only know of performance increases with more memory if your using 2GB. over 1GB. on multiple monitor setups. As far as RAM is concerned, you really only need 4GB of the highest clocked, dual channel memory that you can find, that your motherboard supports. 6 gigs of DDR3 is really kind of overkill for gaming. But you defiantly want to buy brand name, just like you do on your PSU, as off brand RAM can be as troublesome for your system as a failing, off brand PSU. On the matter of SDDs, I personally don't think the high cost is quite justifiable quite yet.You can buy a very large HDD that is pretty damn fast, and will cost less than a relatively small SDD. The only reason I would see to buy one right now is if you are planning to use the SDD as a boot drive, making windows run lightning fast. But still, your going to pay a hefty price for only a small, 60GB, SDD.
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[QUOTE="trollop_scat"]

People are starting to make fun of my old rig and I'm tempted to buy a new one but haven't been paying close attention.

I know Intel CPUs are the way to go and it looks like ATI is the way to go for video cards because they have 2GB and 4GB of on-board RAM. My goal is to power a 30 inch mintor at 25x16 resolution in most games.

Question: Is Socket LGA 1366 new, or is it going to be dead in a couple years? I can't upgrade my currecnt CPU because AMD doesn't make anything for Socket 939 any more so this is a big deal for me. I don't wanna buy a mobo with a dying socket, basically.

I'm all ears on which video card I should get but the ATI Radeon HD 5870 2GB seems like a good idea. The 4GB cards are obnoxiously expensive and I'm sure the next wave of $500 cards will come with 4GB or more, standard, so paying the premium now seems kinda stupid.

How important is name brand RAM? I'm not gonna over-clock it. Can I get away with having 6GB of the regular stuff?

SSDs seem outrageous too. Lots of $$$ for little space, they're like Manhattan real estate. Are they worth it? Are prices going to dramatically come down on those babies any time soon?

Sorry for all the questions but I don't wanna make an uniformed purchase. I'd appreciate any advice or tips you have...

hitman6actual

IMO Intel is too much money for a purely gaming computer. The i7 isn't worth it, and I would take a Phenom II X4 any day over and i5. But to answer your question, LGA1136 is defiantly not dead. If I was you however, I would go for an AM3 socket, and a Phenom II X4 955/965 and save some money. Generally speaking, ATI is currently still the way to go GPU wise. The GTX470 and GTX480 have been rumored to become discontinued because of their disgraceful power consumption, heat production, and lack of interest from the public. Basically the only reason to go Nvidia right now, is if you want something in the $200 price range, in which case you would want to look into the GTX460, which in contrast to the GTX470 and 480, is a smashing hit for Nvidia. That aside, I would either get a 5870, or really go all out and get a 5970 for that res. I'm not sure of what the effect of the extra memory will have on your huge res. because I only know of performance increases with more memory if your using 2GB. over 1GB. on multiple monitor setups. As far as RAM is concerned, you really only need 4GB of the highest clocked, dual channel memory that you can find, that your motherboard supports. 6 gigs of DDR3 is really kind of overkill for gaming. But you defiantly want to buy brand name, just like you do on your PSU, as off brand RAM can be as troublesome for your system as a failing, off brand PSU. On the matter of SDDs, I personally don't think the high cost is quite justifiable quite yet.You can buy a very large HDD that is pretty damn fast, and will cost less than a relatively small SDD. The only reason I would see to buy one right now is if you are planning to use the SDD as a boot drive, making windows run lightning fast. But still, your going to pay a hefty price for only a small, 60GB, SDD.

my phenom BE did me well and i was happy and honestly i wouldn't say i7 is worthless for gaming either but thats just my opinion i spent my money on it and im just as happy as i was with my Phenom BE which is sitting in another case awaiting a psu and HDD.

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[QUOTE="hitman6actual"][QUOTE="trollop_scat"]

People are starting to make fun of my old rig and I'm tempted to buy a new one but haven't been paying close attention.

I know Intel CPUs are the way to go and it looks like ATI is the way to go for video cards because they have 2GB and 4GB of on-board RAM. My goal is to power a 30 inch mintor at 25x16 resolution in most games.

Question: Is Socket LGA 1366 new, or is it going to be dead in a couple years? I can't upgrade my currecnt CPU because AMD doesn't make anything for Socket 939 any more so this is a big deal for me. I don't wanna buy a mobo with a dying socket, basically.

I'm all ears on which video card I should get but the ATI Radeon HD 5870 2GB seems like a good idea. The 4GB cards are obnoxiously expensive and I'm sure the next wave of $500 cards will come with 4GB or more, standard, so paying the premium now seems kinda stupid.

How important is name brand RAM? I'm not gonna over-clock it. Can I get away with having 6GB of the regular stuff?

SSDs seem outrageous too. Lots of $$$ for little space, they're like Manhattan real estate. Are they worth it? Are prices going to dramatically come down on those babies any time soon?

Sorry for all the questions but I don't wanna make an uniformed purchase. I'd appreciate any advice or tips you have...

Neo_revolution7

IMO Intel is too much money for a purely gaming computer. The i7 isn't worth it, and I would take a Phenom II X4 any day over and i5. But to answer your question, LGA1136 is defiantly not dead. If I was you however, I would go for an AM3 socket, and a Phenom II X4 955/965 and save some money. Generally speaking, ATI is currently still the way to go GPU wise. The GTX470 and GTX480 have been rumored to become discontinued because of their disgraceful power consumption, heat production, and lack of interest from the public. Basically the only reason to go Nvidia right now, is if you want something in the $200 price range, in which case you would want to look into the GTX460, which in contrast to the GTX470 and 480, is a smashing hit for Nvidia. That aside, I would either get a 5870, or really go all out and get a 5970 for that res. I'm not sure of what the effect of the extra memory will have on your huge res. because I only know of performance increases with more memory if your using 2GB. over 1GB. on multiple monitor setups. As far as RAM is concerned, you really only need 4GB of the highest clocked, dual channel memory that you can find, that your motherboard supports. 6 gigs of DDR3 is really kind of overkill for gaming. But you defiantly want to buy brand name, just like you do on your PSU, as off brand RAM can be as troublesome for your system as a failing, off brand PSU. On the matter of SDDs, I personally don't think the high cost is quite justifiable quite yet.You can buy a very large HDD that is pretty damn fast, and will cost less than a relatively small SDD. The only reason I would see to buy one right now is if you are planning to use the SDD as a boot drive, making windows run lightning fast. But still, your going to pay a hefty price for only a small, 60GB, SDD.

my phenom BE did me well and i was happy and honestly i wouldn't say i7 is worthless for gaming either but thats just my opinion i spent my money on it and im just as happy as i was with my Phenom BE which is sitting in another case awaiting a psu and HDD.

Well I didn't mean to completely denounce the i7 for gaming, as it is, in my opinion, currently the best all around CPU on the market (if your willing to pay for it). What I was attempting to say is that the i7 isn't really needed for gaming because frankly, games can't even eat up a core 2 duo, much less an i7 quite yet. What I was getting at, is for a rig used solely for gaming, the i7 is a waste of money because your paying for increased cache latency, which can actually be bad for games and better for workstation type tasks, and hyper-threading, which again, isn't needed for games.
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Intel does make the fastest CPUs on the market, and they are faster clock for clock.. but they're not necessarily the "way to go" for a gaming PC. If you have tons of cash to blow on this machine, then yeah.. by all means do it up with an i7 and a 5970 or something else ridiculous. AMD Phenom II X4's are extremely practical for gaming, and won't be getting long in the tooth any time soon in terms of gaming performance. Plus AM3 motherboards are less expensive than LGA 1366 boards.

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Get whatever PC that you want that fits your budget. Intel's i7 lineup (especially the i7 9xx cpu's) are expensive. If you go with an i7 get an i7 920 or 930 simply because the only difference between them and more expensive cpu's in that line up (excluding the 970 & 980X) is the speed. Which can be negated by overclocking and the i7 920/30 are pretty easy to overclock. Intel's X58 mobo's and tri-channel RAM kits tend to be more expensive than the AMD mobo's and dual channel RAM kits. You will pay about the same amount of money for a low end "budget" mobo for the i7 as you would for a high end (loaded with extras) AMD mobo. AMD is good for gaming as well and a better bang for your buck if you have a tighter budget. As someone already posted you will be better off putting the most money towards a high end gpu. Either go with a 5970 or 2 5870's in crossfire for the resolution that you are playing at. The only thing that SSD's offer right now is to make one a boot drive (or RAID for programs too) for very fast boot times. Otherwise, they don't offer a whole lot in performance for games. I would love to have one but I refuse to spend that much money for that little bit of space. The X58 mobo's (socket 1366) have been out for almost 2 years but they are still going strong. I could be wrong but Intel is introducing their Sandy Bridge cpu lineup in the beginning of 2011 and they will be using a new socket. That doesn't mean that their current sockets (1156 & 1366) are going to be dead though. ATI's HD5000 series are closing in on a year so we should start hearing about the next gpu sometime soon (hopefully).
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Hmmm, lots of love for AMD. Interesting, I'd ruled them out altogether but it looks like I'll have to re-examine that. The AMD build I just did was $400 cheaper than the Intel build and I got the AMD Phenom II X6 1090T. Is that one any good? Is the Socket almost dead?

Anyway thanks for giving me something else to consider...

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The problem with 6 core cpu's (both Intel & AMD) for gaming is that there aren't any games that take advantage of them. It has only been the past 8 or 9 months that we have seen numerous games coming out that take advantage of more than 2 core cpu's. There have been a couple here and there but not enough to really justify the price of a quad core until recently. By the time games take advantage of a 6 core cpu the current ones (i.e. Intel's Core i7 980x & AMD'S PII X6 cpu's) won't have the performance of later models. Personally, I recommend either an i7 920/930 or a Phenom II x4 955/965. With your resolution you will need top of the line video card(s) so the money you save with AMD you could pick up a second card for Crossfire/SLI. Also, at the resolution your playing at the game's performance will be determined more by the video card rather than the cpu. Lower resolutions are more cpu dependent while higher ones are more gpu dependent.
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So I've been researching AMD CPUs and I gotta ask: what benefit does a larger L2/L3 cache have for gaming? If none, I'll get the X4 Black Edition and save another $120. This is looking better and better...

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The problem with 6 core cpu's (both Intel & AMD) for gaming is that there aren't any games that take advantage of them. It has only been the past 8 or 9 months that we have seen numerous games coming out that take advantage of more than 2 core cpu's. There have been a couple here and there but not enough to really justify the price of a quad core until recently. By the time games take advantage of a 6 core cpu the current ones (i.e. Intel's Core i7 980x & AMD'S PII X6 cpu's) won't have the performance of later models. Personally, I recommend either an i7 920/930 or a Phenom II x4 955/965. With your resolution you will need top of the line video card(s) so the money you save with AMD you could pick up a second card for Crossfire/SLI. Also, at the resolution your playing at the game's performance will be determined more by the video card rather than the cpu. Lower resolutions are more cpu dependent while higher ones are more gpu dependent.jtcraft

Is Socket AM3 going to see more CPUs or is it on its last leg? I'm interested but don't wanna jump on a sinking ship...

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AM3 really isn't that old so I would say it will be around a little longer. Someone else could probably give you a better answer though.
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AM3 really isn't that old so I would say it will be around a little longer. Someone else could probably give you a better answer though.jtcraft

Am3 is still fairly new being that a while back i was going to go down that route but i decided to wait a bit and save some money, im still going to go with and am3 setup soon for my second build after i get my upgrades for my gaming rig in a month or so :)

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[QUOTE="jtcraft"]The problem with 6 core cpu's (both Intel & AMD) for gaming is that there aren't any games that take advantage of them. It has only been the past 8 or 9 months that we have seen numerous games coming out that take advantage of more than 2 core cpu's. There have been a couple here and there but not enough to really justify the price of a quad core until recently. By the time games take advantage of a 6 core cpu the current ones (i.e. Intel's Core i7 980x & AMD'S PII X6 cpu's) won't have the performance of later models. Personally, I recommend either an i7 920/930 or a Phenom II x4 955/965. With your resolution you will need top of the line video card(s) so the money you save with AMD you could pick up a second card for Crossfire/SLI. Also, at the resolution your playing at the game's performance will be determined more by the video card rather than the cpu. Lower resolutions are more cpu dependent while higher ones are more gpu dependent.trollop_scat

Is Socket AM3 going to see more CPUs or is it on its last leg? I'm interested but don't wanna jump on a sinking ship...

I'd say AM3 will be around for quite a bit longer. But I would stay away from any hexcore CPU as of now. They actually under perform quads as far as gaming goes, because of increased cache latency and whatnot, not to mention that most games can't even use 4 cores yet, much less 6. Why the quad core for gaming rigs then? Because as we progress, more and more games will start to take advantage of 4 or more cores, and dual core CPUs will start to become obsolete. If you have a quad in your system you also won't have trouble leaving some other programs running while your gaming, for example a couple of web browsers, or something, and you won't have to worry about you entire system being slowed when a scheduled virus scan starts up, or another CPU demanding task. So ditch the hexcore, as better ones will come out in the next few years, and even later on down the road, games will start taking advantage of hexcores, and at that time you way want to think of upgrading. But we are talking about several years in the future so for now, get an AM3 based system and spend a lot of money on your GPU. I personally would get a 5970 over two 5870s, because I think two 5870s would be a little bit overkill, even for your res. but if you want to spend the extra $100, two 5870s would be justifiable.
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Don't be so quick to discount AMD -- http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/phenom-versus-i7,2360-13.html I plan on building a rig with a Phenom II X4 simply because it'll give me the extra financial freedom to put in two highest-end GPUs for SLI or Crossfire instead of one highest-end card or two lower-end ones. When a comparable i7 outperforms its nearest AMD counterpart, it's all of a few frames -- and again, with the money you save, you then can spend on graphics cards that let you fill those frames with even better detail.
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Thanks guys. One more question though: how good are SSDs? Are they only useful as boot drives? Do they help in game speed? I dont like the prices on them at all...

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[QUOTE="trollop_scat"]

People are starting to make fun of my old rig and I'm tempted to buy a new one but haven't been paying close attention.

I know Intel CPUs are the way to go and it looks like ATI is the way to go for video cards because they have 2GB and 4GB of on-board RAM. My goal is to power a 30 inch mintor at 25x16 resolution in most games.

Question: Is Socket LGA 1366 new, or is it going to be dead in a couple years? I can't upgrade my currecnt CPU because AMD doesn't make anything for Socket 939 any more so this is a big deal for me. I don't wanna buy a mobo with a dying socket, basically.

I'm all ears on which video card I should get but the ATI Radeon HD 5870 2GB seems like a good idea. The 4GB cards are obnoxiously expensive and I'm sure the next wave of $500 cards will come with 4GB or more, standard, so paying the premium now seems kinda stupid.

How important is name brand RAM? I'm not gonna over-clock it. Can I get away with having 6GB of the regular stuff?

SSDs seem outrageous too. Lots of $$$ for little space, they're like Manhattan real estate. Are they worth it? Are prices going to dramatically come down on those babies any time soon?

Sorry for all the questions but I don't wanna make an uniformed purchase. I'd appreciate any advice or tips you have...

hitman6actual
. On the matter of SDDs, I personally don't think the high cost is quite justifiable quite yet.You can buy a very large HDD that is pretty damn fast, and will cost less than a relatively small SDD. The only reason I would see to buy one right now is if you are planning to use the SDD as a boot drive, making windows run lightning fast. But still, your going to pay a hefty price for only a small, 60GB, SDD.

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