I've noticed some tv's have back lit LEDs but have a LCD screen, while others are LED all around. The picture quality on the LED/LCD tvs are very good, but is there a big difference in picture quality, or would it be best to invest in a full LED ?I noticed a Toshiba 40in LED, with Wi Fi, which was a LED/LCD, but only 700.00? Just wondering if it would be best to wait and invest in a all around LED, because I'm trying to turn my garage into a game room, and didn't think I need a real big tv for in there.
Is there a big difference between LED/LCD vs LED/LED?
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"LED" TV's are just an LCD display with LED backlights. There are two kinds of LED backlights. One is edge-lit and the other is local dimming. Edge-lit is used on really thin TVs but lack performance, local dimming is the best you can get before making the jump up to plasma.
Also you should go for this $529 Panasonic U2 42inch plasma (1080p):
http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-TC-P42U2-42-Inch-1080p-Plasma/dp/B00392141U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1291171350&sr=8-1
How can you tell when purchasing the tv whether it is edge lit or not?"LED" TV's are just an LCD display with LED backlights. There are two kinds of LED backlights. One is edge-lit and the other is local dimming. Edge-lit is used on really thin TVs but lack performance, local dimming is the best you can get before making the jump up to plasma.
NVIDIATI
"LED" TV's are just an LCD display with LED backlights. There are two kinds of LED backlights. One is edge-lit and the other is local dimming. Edge-lit is used on really thin TVs but lack performance, local dimming is the best you can get before making the jump up to plasma.
How can you tell when purchasing the tv whether it is edge lit or not? It should say, but I think that Panasonic U2 for $529 is your best bet (In my post above).Another alternative is the Panasonic S2 for $685:
http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-TC-P42S2-42-Inch-1080p-Plasma/dp/B0036VO70Y/ref=sr_du_1_map?ie=UTF8&qid=1291171536&sr=8-1
I know they say burn-in isn't a factor anymore, but we carry some plasma's where I work at, and sometimes when they are left on most of the day the image does get burned into the screen. It does however go away later, sometimes taking a day or two, and that worries me a little. They say not to worry and that most of them have some sort of refresh feature, which constantly washes the image, but I'm still a little worried. That's why I try to stay with LCD, or LED.[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]I know they say burn-in isn't a factor anymore, but we carry some plasma's where I work at, and sometimes when they are left on most of the day the image does get burned into the screen. It does however go away later, sometimes taking a day or two, and that worries me a little. They say not to worry and that most of them have some sort of refresh feature, which constantly washes the image, but I'm still a little worried. That's why I try to stay with LCD, or LED. You won't have a problem with burn in on a Panasonic plasma, maybe a little IR during the break-in. At this point going with an LED you'll be paying more for less. So don't be worried.Another alternative is the Panasonic S2 for $685:
http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-TC-P42S2-42-Inch-1080p-Plasma/dp/B0036VO70Y/ref=sr_du_1_map?ie=UTF8&qid=1291171536&sr=8-1
godzillavskong
[QUOTE="godzillavskong"][QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]
Another alternative is the Panasonic S2 for $685:
http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-TC-P42S2-42-Inch-1080p-Plasma/dp/B0036VO70Y/ref=sr_du_1_map?ie=UTF8&qid=1291171536&sr=8-1
I know they say burn-in isn't a factor anymore, but we carry some plasma's where I work at, and sometimes when they are left on most of the day the image does get burned into the screen. It does however go away later, sometimes taking a day or two, and that worries me a little. They say not to worry and that most of them have some sort of refresh feature, which constantly washes the image, but I'm still a little worried. That's why I try to stay with LCD, or LED. You won't have a problem with burn in on a Panasonic plasma, maybe a little IR during the break-in. At this point going with an LED you'll be paying more for less. So don't be worried.Cool. Which is better LG or Panasonic? We carry both at my job, and I can get them at cost,but I was just interested in your opinion of the better brand. I had a 23in LG monitor a few years ago, and it broke down on me only after a year of use, so I'm a little skeptical of them,but my wife always left it on, so that could've done it in.[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]You won't have a problem with burn in on a Panasonic plasma, maybe a little IR during the break-in. At this point going with an LED you'll be paying more for less. So don't be worried.Cool. Which is better LG or Panasonic? We carry both at my job, and I can get them at cost,but I was just interested in your opinion of the better brand. I had a 23in LG monitor a few years ago, and it broke down on me only after a year of use, so I'm a little skeptical of them,but my wife always left it on, so that could've done it in. Panasonic makes the best plasma TVs on the market today.[QUOTE="godzillavskong"] I know they say burn-in isn't a factor anymore, but we carry some plasma's where I work at, and sometimes when they are left on most of the day the image does get burned into the screen. It does however go away later, sometimes taking a day or two, and that worries me a little. They say not to worry and that most of them have some sort of refresh feature, which constantly washes the image, but I'm still a little worried. That's why I try to stay with LCD, or LED. godzillavskong
Cool. Which is better LG or Panasonic? We carry both at my job, and I can get them at cost,but I was just interested in your opinion of the better brand. I had a 23in LG monitor a few years ago, and it broke down on me only after a year of use, so I'm a little skeptical of them,but my wife always left it on, so that could've done it in. Panasonic makes the best plasma TVs on the market today.[QUOTE="godzillavskong"][QUOTE="NVIDIATI"] You won't have a problem with burn in on a Panasonic plasma, maybe a little IR during the break-in. At this point going with an LED you'll be paying more for less. So don't be worried.
NVIDIATI
LG isn't bad either, but Panasonic has the better plasmas. I'd go Panasonic > LG > Samsung, but thats because I prefer the colors and overall picture that LGs have. I love my Samsung 2343BWX monitor, but LG just seems to have the better quality these days. Probably because I've grown so used to seeing what Samsungs perform like it just seems standard now.
Chance is you probably just got a LG monitor that had bad/cheap caps or just got unlucky with yours. I expect all my eletronics to fail, so brand doesn't matter that much to me. I'm more worried about whats on the inside than whos name is on the front of the panel.
Floating blacks are a feature on Panasonic plasmas.
Man, I've been reading on here for a while now and you really push those plasma tvs. Like you want one in every house so you can flip a switch and have them take over people's minds to do your bidding. I have a LG edge lit LCD and I freaking love it. I get no input lag while playing 360, no bleeding, and great picture."LED" TV's are just an LCD display with LED backlights. There are two kinds of LED backlights. One is edge-lit and the other is local dimming. Edge-lit is used on really thin TVs but lack performance, local dimming is the best you can get before making the jump up to plasma.
Also you should go for this $529 Panasonic U2 42inch plasma (1080p):
http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-TC-P42U2-42-Inch-1080p-Plasma/dp/B00392141U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1291171350&sr=8-1
NVIDIATI
[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]Man, I've been reading on here for a while now and you really push those plasma tvs. Like you want one in every house so you can flip a switch and have them take over people's minds to do your bidding. I have a LG edge lit LCD and I freaking love it. I get no input lag while playing 360, no bleeding, and great picture."LED" TV's are just an LCD display with LED backlights. There are two kinds of LED backlights. One is edge-lit and the other is local dimming. Edge-lit is used on really thin TVs but lack performance, local dimming is the best you can get before making the jump up to plasma.
Also you should go for this $529 Panasonic U2 42inch plasma (1080p):
http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-TC-P42U2-42-Inch-1080p-Plasma/dp/B00392141U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1291171350&sr=8-1
brandon2802
He's just spreading the word. Plasmas have the better picture quality and tech behind them. I'm pretty sure they've been in development for longer too. I think his same model of TV is used as the reference set for judging other TVs performance and value. LCDs and LEDs can't match the video quality of a plasma.
Your LG no doubt has a great picture, I trust you on that. We got a new LG 42" 1080p 120hz early this year. While it looks incredible, I know we would've been better getting the plasmas we were looking at. The store demos showed the plasmas had the better color accuracy while the LCDs/LEDs just had the pop and flare.
If I was the one spending the money I would've told the salesman to f*** off. He tricked my dad into buying that LG, which was also more expensive, because "if you stand close you see the pixels easier on this one than this one." I honestly felt so stupidfied a salesman would say that I didn't want to correct him. I'd feel like an ****. From the distance we sit, 720p would've been enough. This is why I hate store salesmen. They're uneducated on what they sell and sound like idiots doing so. I'm still not happy with the picture settings on the TV, while the Samsung plasma I loved looking at (For some reason they had no Panasonics on display,) I managed to set the numbers at a good measurements to make the colors as they should for the video of the river they play.
He's just spreading the word. Plasmas have the better picture quality and tech behind them. I'm pretty sure they've been in development for longer too. I think his same model of TV is used as the reference set for judging other TVs performance and value. LCDs and LEDs can't match the video quality of a plasma.
Your LG no doubt has a great picture, I trust you on that. We got a new LG 42" 1080p 120hz early this year. While it looks incredible, I know we would've been better getting the plasmas we were looking at. The store demos showed the plasmas had the better color accuracy while the LCDs/LEDs just had the pop and flare.
If I was the one spending the money I would've told the salesman to f*** off. He tricked my dad into buying that LG, which was also more expensive, because "if you stand close you see the pixels easier on this one than this one." I honestly felt so stupidfied a salesman would say that I didn't want to correct him. I'd feel like an ****. From the distance we sit, 720p would've been enough. This is why I hate store salesmen. They're uneducated on what they sell and sound like idiots doing so. I'm still not happy with the picture settings on the TV, while the Samsung plasma I loved looking at (For some reason they had no Panasonics on display,) I managed to set the numbers at a good measurements to make the colors as they should for the video of the river they play.
ChubbyGuy40
Tell it from the mountain, brother? :lol:
True, Plasmas have the best picture quality but I long ago vowed I would never buy another phosphor based display. To be honest, we are talking in degrees of awesomeness here. Most modern LCD and LED/LCD displays look pretty nice provided you stay away from the cheaper manufacturers and RGB/LED also helps address the color saturation issues with standard displays.
-Byshop
[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]Man, I've been reading on here for a while now and you really push those plasma tvs. Like you want one in every house so you can flip a switch and have them take over people's minds to do your bidding. I have a LG edge lit LCD and I freaking love it. I get no input lag while playing 360, no bleeding, and great picture. Oh you caught me! My plans for household domination have been ruined. :roll: Obviously telling people to get the TV with the best value and performance is a bad thing to you, or you wouldn't be complaining. That's right folks you can now pay more for your TVs to get something with less performance!"LED" TV's are just an LCD display with LED backlights. There are two kinds of LED backlights. One is edge-lit and the other is local dimming. Edge-lit is used on really thin TVs but lack performance, local dimming is the best you can get before making the jump up to plasma.
Also you should go for this $529 Panasonic U2 42inch plasma (1080p):
http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-TC-P42U2-42-Inch-1080p-Plasma/dp/B00392141U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1291171350&sr=8-1
brandon2802
NO! Don't inform them of the plasma! That will drive up demand and make the better tv actually cost more. I'm happy with the uniformed believing lies and choosing LCDs. Only thing that bothers me is the LED rage is also stagnating OLED efforts. Why spend money on developing better tech when the public already goes nuts over inferior products?
RIP CRT.
Actually thanks to the lack of demand for high end products Pioneer stopped making the Kuro/Elite line of plasma. :cry: The Kuro 10G looked to be so promising with its absolute blacks...NO! Don't inform them of the plasma! That will drive up demand and make the better tv actually cost more. I'm happy with the uniformed believing lies and choosing LCDs. Only thing that bothers me is the LED rage is also stagnating OLED efforts. Why spend money on developing better tech when the public already goes nuts over inferior products?
RIP CRT.
BeavermanA
[QUOTE="BeavermanA"]
NO! Don't inform them of the plasma! That will drive up demand and make the better tv actually cost more. I'm happy with the uniformed believing lies and choosing LCDs. Only thing that bothers me is the LED rage is also stagnating OLED efforts. Why spend money on developing better tech when the public already goes nuts over inferior products?
RIP CRT.
Actually thanks to the lack of demand for high end products Pioneer stopped making the Kuro/Elite line of plasma. :cry: The Kuro 10G looked to be so promising with its absolute blacks... I've heard a lot about that tv, although I hear it is fairly expensive also. I think I may go with a 54in Panasonice plasma for the gameroom/garage. Our cost on the 54in is under 1000, and from what I keep hearing it is the way to go. I have LCDs and 1 DLP in the rest of the house, so I guess this will be my first venture into the plasma dept.. , well at least after the holidays.[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]Actually thanks to the lack of demand for high end products Pioneer stopped making the Kuro/Elite line of plasma. :cry: The Kuro 10G looked to be so promising with its absolute blacks... I've heard a lot about that tv, although I hear it is fairly expensive also. I think I may go with a 54in Panasonic plasma for the gameroom/garage. Our cost on the 54in is under 1000, and from what I keep hearing it is the way to go. I have LCDs and 1 DLP in the rest of the house, so I guess this will be my first venture into the plasma dept.. , well at least after the holidays. Well the Kuro 9G was the last produced and launched in 2008. At launch it was $7500 if I recall, the price was later dropped to around $5000. The TV today goes for around $4000-$5000 which is the price range I got my PRO-111FD (50inch Elite model). Anyways it sounds like you're getting a pretty good deal on your TV, hope you enjoy it.[QUOTE="BeavermanA"]
NO! Don't inform them of the plasma! That will drive up demand and make the better tv actually cost more. I'm happy with the uniformed believing lies and choosing LCDs. Only thing that bothers me is the LED rage is also stagnating OLED efforts. Why spend money on developing better tech when the public already goes nuts over inferior products?
RIP CRT.
godzillavskong
[QUOTE="godzillavskong"][QUOTE="NVIDIATI"] Actually thanks to the lack of demand for high end products Pioneer stopped making the Kuro/Elite line of plasma. :cry: The Kuro 10G looked to be so promising with its absolute blacks...
I've heard a lot about that tv, although I hear it is fairly expensive also. I think I may go with a 54in Panasonic plasma for the gameroom/garage. Our cost on the 54in is under 1000, and from what I keep hearing it is the way to go. I have LCDs and 1 DLP in the rest of the house, so I guess this will be my first venture into the plasma dept.. , well at least after the holidays. Well the Kuro 9G was the last produced and launched in 2008. At launch it was $7500 if I recall, the price was later dropped to around $5000. The TV today goes for around $4000-$5000 which is the price range I got my PRO-111FD (50inch Elite model). Anyways it sounds like you're getting a pretty good deal on your TV, hope you enjoy it. Wow! I just looked at the 60in Kuro flat panel! The features and look of that tv is very nice. I was looking at that one and the 50in on Pioneers web page, and the 60 had a suggested retail of 6500! Now I know that is the SRP, and is usually higher than usual at the companies main page,but they sure are pricey. I guess you get what you pay for. Maybe one day, but for now they are a little bit out of my reach financially. I'd love to see one in motion. There isn't a store like Best Buy or Sears that actually carry those models huh?[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]Well the Kuro 9G was the last produced and launched in 2008. At launch it was $7500 if I recall, the price was later dropped to around $5000. The TV today goes for around $4000-$5000 which is the price range I got my PRO-111FD (50inch Elite model). Anyways it sounds like you're getting a pretty good deal on your TV, hope you enjoy it. Wow! I just looked at the 60in Kuro flat panel! The features and look of that tv is very nice. I was looking at that one and the 50in on Pioneers web page, and the 60 had a suggested retail of 6500! Now I know that is the SRP, and is usually higher than usual at the companies main page,but they sure are pricey. I guess you get what you pay for. Maybe one day, but for now they are a little bit out of my reach financially. I'd love to see one in motion. There isn't a store like Best Buy or Sears that actually carry those models huh? They stopped making the TV mid 2009 so it would be very hard to find, I've also never seen an Elite Kuro at any local department store, only specialty audio/video stores. The store needs to be a certified Pioneer Elite dealer.[QUOTE="godzillavskong"] I've heard a lot about that tv, although I hear it is fairly expensive also. I think I may go with a 54in Panasonic plasma for the gameroom/garage. Our cost on the 54in is under 1000, and from what I keep hearing it is the way to go. I have LCDs and 1 DLP in the rest of the house, so I guess this will be my first venture into the plasma dept.. , well at least after the holidays.godzillavskong
[QUOTE="godzillavskong"][QUOTE="NVIDIATI"] Well the Kuro 9G was the last produced and launched in 2008. At launch it was $7500 if I recall, the price was later dropped to around $5000. The TV today goes for around $4000-$5000 which is the price range I got my PRO-111FD (50inch Elite model). Anyways it sounds like you're getting a pretty good deal on your TV, hope you enjoy it.
Wow! I just looked at the 60in Kuro flat panel! The features and look of that tv is very nice. I was looking at that one and the 50in on Pioneers web page, and the 60 had a suggested retail of 6500! Now I know that is the SRP, and is usually higher than usual at the companies main page,but they sure are pricey. I guess you get what you pay for. Maybe one day, but for now they are a little bit out of my reach financially. I'd love to see one in motion. There isn't a store like Best Buy or Sears that actually carry those models huh? They stopped making the TV mid 2009 so it would be very hard to find, I've also never seen an Elite Kuro at any local department store, only specialty audio/video stores. The store needs to be a certified Pioneer Elite dealer. Oh ok. I have a Pioneer reciever that I have had for about 9 years, and it has worked like a champ! It is a little dated, seeing as how it only has 1 optical out and 1 coaxil digital out, so I use my Bluray player on the optical, and my cable box with the coaxil digital out. I have to remove the optical cable whenever I play the 360 and use the one from the tv to get the surround sound. I'm thinking about just purchasing a adapter, which I'm sure they make one that I can put two opticals into it to form one on the end.I guess better than buying a whole new reciever.Actually thanks to the lack of demand for high end products Pioneer stopped making the Kuro/Elite line of plasma. :cry: The Kuro 10G looked to be so promising with its absolute blacks... Just priced way too high for the average consumer, despite the superiority. Most people wouldn't spend more than 2-3k on a tv. Seem to sell very well in this price range, and as you're aware plasmas still offer more for the buck in that range. Despite that, I seriously don't even know anyone IRL that owns a plasma.[QUOTE="BeavermanA"]
NO! Don't inform them of the plasma! That will drive up demand and make the better tv actually cost more. I'm happy with the uniformed believing lies and choosing LCDs. Only thing that bothers me is the LED rage is also stagnating OLED efforts. Why spend money on developing better tech when the public already goes nuts over inferior products?
RIP CRT.
NVIDIATI
Its a sad state of affairs that such an outstanding line of TV's-The Pioneer Kuros- is no longer produced. Unfortunately, it seems that with audio and music (most people are content with 128/256 kb MP3's), price and ease of access trump quality. It's a "good-enough" world now. I believe Panasonic bought many of the patents and hired the Kuros team. Their TV's are very good, but they have not reached the bar set by the Pioneer Kuros (no TV has). Hopefully we will see the Kuros technology implemented into the Panasonic's soon at a more reasonable price.rastanIndeed. Not to knock Acer, but they recently passed Sony in worldwide notebook sales. That was probably largely due to the affordability, and like you said, companies would rather sell millions of a cheaper product , than several costly high end products. I think more companies are under pressure to reduce prices to compete with the cheaper brands, simply because consumers aren't buying for name as much as they used to, and are quite content on getting the much cheaper comparable item. Even if it does only last half as long.lol
[QUOTE="rastan"]Its a sad state of affairs that such an outstanding line of TV's-The Pioneer Kuros- is no longer produced. Unfortunately, it seems that with audio and music (most people are content with 128/256 kb MP3's), price and ease of access trump quality. It's a "good-enough" world now. I believe Panasonic bought many of the patents and hired the Kuros team. Their TV's are very good, but they have not reached the bar set by the Pioneer Kuros (no TV has). Hopefully we will see the Kuros technology implemented into the Panasonic's soon at a more reasonable price.godzillavskongIndeed. Not to knock Acer, but they recently passed Sony in worldwide notebook sales. That was probably largely due to the affordability, and like you said, companies would rather sell millions of a cheaper product , than several costly high end products. I think more companies are under pressure to reduce prices to compete with the cheaper brands, simply because consumers aren't buying for name as much as they used to, and are quite content on getting the much cheaper comparable item. Even if it does only last half as long.lol
Companies are just under pressure to just sell, no matter how they get the sales and revenue they have to get it. If cheap sells, they're 95% likely going to go that way. It's conveience over quality sadly. No one gives a damn if its a cheaply Made in China product if the price is half of the well-made, Made In America item.
Indeed. Not to knock Acer, but they recently passed Sony in worldwide notebook sales. That was probably largely due to the affordability, and like you said, companies would rather sell millions of a cheaper product , than several costly high end products. I think more companies are under pressure to reduce prices to compete with the cheaper brands, simply because consumers aren't buying for name as much as they used to, and are quite content on getting the much cheaper comparable item. Even if it does only last half as long.lol[QUOTE="godzillavskong"][QUOTE="rastan"]Its a sad state of affairs that such an outstanding line of TV's-The Pioneer Kuros- is no longer produced. Unfortunately, it seems that with audio and music (most people are content with 128/256 kb MP3's), price and ease of access trump quality. It's a "good-enough" world now. I believe Panasonic bought many of the patents and hired the Kuros team. Their TV's are very good, but they have not reached the bar set by the Pioneer Kuros (no TV has). Hopefully we will see the Kuros technology implemented into the Panasonic's soon at a more reasonable price.ChubbyGuy40
Companies are just under pressure to just sell, no matter how they get the sales and revenue they have to get it. If cheap sells, they're 95% likely going to go that way. It's conveience over quality sadly. No one gives a damn if its a cheaply Made in China product if the price is half of the well-made, Made In America item.
Yep.There are several who do their research, and end up buying a decent, well made item, but the other people who buy the cheapest,no matter the name, out weighs them by a pretty wide margin.Especially with the way the economy is and this so called depression, more people are bound to buy cheap. Hopefully these companies will still make good quality items at a cheaper rate, just to keep up with the Lenovas, Insignias, and Dynex of the world.Please Log In to post.
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