Is there level scaling in Skyrim?

Hi. There's this frost troll that I'm trying to kill but I'm simply not strong enough. I heard in oblivion that whenever you level up, all the other creatures level up too. Does that mean no matter how hard I train, I can never kill this frost troll?

From my knowledge there is a slight level scaling mechanism in the game but it's not to the extent of Oblivion. You'll find monsters and areas in the world that you can't go or beat because they are just higher level than you. You'll need to level up your character and get better gear.

I think so, but its not all that noticeable.

You can use the command animal shout.

You can use the command animal shout.

brandojones

I believe the dragons and some areas are level scaled.But it is nowhere near the mess of level scaling that was Oblivoin or lesser extent of Fallout 3's.

In my long list of Skyrim complaints, level scaling is so far not one of them.

So far it seems to be slightly scaled but some enemies are tougher than others. Apprentice mages and such are really strong to face up close when your around level 10, I assume because your just into a lot of "Apprentice" level stuff. Trolls, giants, mammoths, dragons, etc. are all badasses.

They say it's the same as New Vegas, which pretty much had level scaling; even at level 30 Deathclaw's were very tough to kill without the sniper and it's perks.

They say it's the same as New Vegas, which pretty much had level scaling; even at level 30 Deathclaw's were very tough to kill without the sniper and it's perks.

Yes, but it's almost unnoticable. To directly answer your question, if you level up you will mess that troll up. I that exact problem and a few hours later I completely destroyed it.

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You can use the command animal shout.

martinX3X

Yes, it does.

See, friendly troll :P:

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You can use the command animal shout.

brandojones

Yes, it does.

See, friendly troll :P:

Level scaling? Tell that to the giant I stumbled on that one shot killed me!

Level scaling? Tell that to the giant I stumbled on that one shot killed me!

Johnny_Rock

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Level scaling? Tell that to the giant I stumbled on that one shot killed me!

KalDurenik

I was getting a couple of wolves off of my horse and he just walked up behind me. By the time I realized he was there... dead. :(

You may find this of interest, copied from The Elder Scrolls V Skyrim Wiki page:

Enemy Leveling System

Many criticized Oblivion's system of leveling enemies, as many hours were spent fighting enemies that were just too strong to take on, and only grew stronger as you leveled up. In Skyrim, this is replaced with a system that is similar to the one in Fallout 3. The level of enemies is determined both by location and level. There will be places with foes you just aren't strong enough to beat at level 1. Upon entering a dungeon in Skyrim the players level will be saved/locked into position. In other words the enemies will be similiar to the level the player is when he/she first enters the dungeon. In the event of entering the dungeon later the player should find, (assuming the player has leveled up since their last visit to it) that they can more efficiently rid of the foes within the dungeon. This is due in part by the fact that the foes remained the level that the player was when he/she first entered the dungeon. Obviously there will be some location where enemies will be stronger and some where they will be easier, especially places that the main quest go through.

So far it seems to be slightly scaled but some enemies are tougher than others. Apprentice mages and such are really strong to face up close when your around level 10, I assume because your just into a lot of "Apprentice" level stuff. Trolls, giants, mammoths, dragons, etc. are all badasses.

IcyToasters

lol yeah, giants especially. I tried to attack one (with a dagger, no less...) and I ended up getting swatted 500 feet in the air. A bug? Possibly, but it seemed appropriate lol

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You may find this of interest, copied from The Elder Scrolls V Skyrim Wiki page:

Enemy Leveling System

Many criticized Oblivion's system of leveling enemies, as many hours were spent fighting enemies that were just too strong to take on, and only grew stronger as you leveled up.

wait, what? I thought it was the opposite

Skyrim scaling is OK in my opinion. The problem is the hitbox sometimes is a bit ... unfair towards the player.

As for the strenght of them monsters: Giants > Mammoths ( couse in some cases you have to fight both a mammoth and his owner the giant ) > Dragons > trolls ... So much for dragons being the bringers of "End time". Them Giants pack such a punch even with 145 armor and improved block and heavy armor can't help much :shock:

You may find this of interest, copied from The Elder Scrolls V Skyrim Wiki page:

Enemy Leveling System

Many criticized Oblivion's system of leveling enemies, as many hours were spent fighting enemies that were just too strong to take on, and only grew stronger as you leveled up. In Skyrim, this is replaced with a system that is similar to the one in Fallout 3. The level of enemies is determined both by location and level. There will be places with foes you just aren't strong enough to beat at level 1. Upon entering a dungeon in Skyrim the players level will be saved/locked into position. In other words the enemies will be similiar to the level the player is when he/she first enters the dungeon. In the event of entering the dungeon later the player should find, (assuming the player has leveled up since their last visit to it) that they can more efficiently rid of the foes within the dungeon. This is due in part by the fact that the foes remained the level that the player was when he/she first entered the dungeon. Obviously there will be some location where enemies will be stronger and some where they will be easier, especially places that the main quest go through.

nd5000

So . . . if you go everywhere at level 1, the whole game will be locked for a level 1 player?

That would mean you probably wouldn't have to get past level 5, to destroy everything in the game.

Or am I not understanding the leveling system?

[QUOTE="IcyToasters"]

So far it seems to be slightly scaled but some enemies are tougher than others. Apprentice mages and such are really strong to face up close when your around level 10, I assume because your just into a lot of "Apprentice" level stuff. Trolls, giants, mammoths, dragons, etc. are all badasses.

mrbojangles25

lol yeah, giants especially. I tried to attack one (with a dagger, no less...) and I ended up getting swatted 500 feet in the air. A bug? Possibly, but it seemed appropriate lol

Fighting giants and trolls are some of the most fun things I've done so far. Trolls seem really territorial and won't enter water, and fighting giants is timing your 'dodging' and taking time. I could watch the trolls freak out all day.
Dodging giants is awesome because the 'shockwave' makes your screen shake and your health bar pops up when it's not a direct hit.

So . . . if you go everywhere at level 1, the whole game will be locked for a level 1 player?

That would mean you probably wouldn't have to get past level 5, to destroy everything in the game.

Or am I not understanding the leveling system?

Born_Lucky

[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]

Level scaling? Tell that to the giant I stumbled on that one shot killed me!

KalDurenik

If you can't handle something, it's because you didn't level up your character properly. This game is very unforgiving when it comes to what you put your perks into.

So . . . if you go everywhere at level 1, the whole game will be locked for a level 1 player?

That would mean you probably wouldn't have to get past level 5, to destroy everything in the game.

Or am I not understanding the leveling system?

Born_Lucky

I think powerleveling will still cause problems. You can spam Illusion spells, Sneak behind someone for hours, etc. All these raise skills and eventually your level as well. So enemies could potentially be balanced for a level 30 character, but your actual combat skills are equal to a level 1 character. At least this time the enemies are locked at the level you encounter them. That way you can slowly level up combat skills and eventually get to the point of beating those enemies. I still wonder if there is a better way though.

There is. It is pretty noticeable if you level up a bit to lv.25~35 THEN start the main quest... Got a ice troll in bleaks fall barrow maze blocking the way...