Is Vega 7 AMD’s best high end GPU in over 5 years?

no its not. the best high end gpu amd ever released is the radeon 4870. gcn needs to be retired it is too inefficient

it doesnt really have anything to be hyped up about. its still AMD brute forcing it to try and match nvidias performance and the price makes it a tough sell. you can get a 2080 with has a certain performance level in rasterisation, RTX and other bits and bobs or you can get a RVII for the same price at the same performance level and the only advantage it has is the extra VRAM.

you really are betting on that 16GB of Vram coming into play in future games and the GPU side still being good enough to deliver with those games in order to argue any sort of advantage. the only other area that vram seems to be good for is 8K 60FPS video rendering.

i think if they released it with 12GB of vram at a cheaper price it would have been better received. yes there would be a hit in memory bandwith but i dont think that would be the end of the world for gaming.

or if it was the same price as a 2080 (maybe a bit more) but with 12GB of vram and had the full 64 CU compliment at 7nm with the faster clock....that would be very interesting.

its not a terrible card by any stretch. i mean it is technically the best card AMD have ever made and it will produce some great performance and great looking visuals. but its a bit....meh.

to be honest though, if we are talking 4K and future proofing, i think the only card that will hold out is the 2080Ti. it is a rip off. it has its own issues. but i think it has a much better balance of specs to deal with 4K in games today and also games designed with the likes of the PS5 in mind (New consoles around the corner means the bottom line is going to be raised). VII certainly has the ram but i think, at 4K, its going to run into a rasterisation bottleneck first.

im humming and hawing over getting a new GPU to drive my screen. to be honest everything on the market currently doesnt meet what i want though so im leaning towards waiting for nvidias 7nm cards and navi 20 (and getting a better read on the specs of next gen consoles). at the moment the high end part of the GPU market is a bit pants from both camps imho. my RX 580 is not ideal for 4K but its doing the job so i think im going to wait until next year and see whats what.

No, GCN is now garbage.

Same exact thing happened when owners of the AMD FX (6000 and 8/9000 ) series said "just wait until games utilize more than 4 cores".

By the time games utilized 4+ cores the FX series was too weak to deliver any significant performance

2080 Ti is the best high end consumer GPU and stop making bullshit claims that Vega 7 "can do 4K 60 FPS in nearly all games maxed out".

From AMD yes... But at that price I would much rather go with a RTX card.

I'd add 9700 Pro (ok, it was a long time ago) and 5870. The latter was outperformed by GTX 480, but only after like 6 months. In the case of Radeon VII, it arrived late but didn't outperform its competition, it's not priced better either and it's more power hungry.

Reading comprehension fail. I said AMD's best high end GPU not the best high end GPU. And I said "nearly" in all games no all games. Read before you open your mouth and stop making a fool of yourself.

Radeon 4870 was awesome. Probably one of the best GPU's AMD has released besides the 9700 Pro from ATI. I wouldn't say that it's their best since the 4870 because the 5870 was great too. And the HD 7970 was pretty descent came out earlier than the GTX 680 and was fastest GPU when it was released. And the R9 290X was the fastest, even faster than the original Titan. So, they did release quite a few GPU's that was good at least up until the R9 290X (at the high end I am talking about).

Yes, I am betting 16GB of VRAM will come into play. Heck some are even pushing 8GB easily and even up to 11GB+ at 4K maxed out.

Ideally 12GB with 64 ROP's would have been the best. But AMD didn't want to put the engineering resources behind it. It was best for them to turn their MI50 GPU into a Gaming GPU. I partially agree , AMD's is at limited R&D resources so putting that many engineering resources on a GPU that might not sell well is not the best use of their engineering resources. Putting it towards Navi or future release is better served. One has to remember that Vega was designed to be for the Compute market for Data Centers and AI uses since that's where the margins are. And AMD can't afford to make two GPU's one for the Data Center market and Gaming market like nVidia can at least now. It's best for them to focus on mid low end market because that's where the volume is. I agree that the RX 580 is great now for 1080p gaming maxed out.

2080Ti is the best for 4K Gaming but like as you said it's a rip-off.

"For the first time since the release of the R9 290X I think AMD has the best high end GPU. It wins some and loses some against the RTX 2080."

Also, it doesn't come close to "nearly". Just look at the 4K benchmarks....

https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-radeon-vii-review/

It struggles to even average 60fps in most of the benchmarks and is nowhere near a solid 60fps. Those minimums though.... LMAO

So yeah... don't come at me about reading comprehension when you don't even know what you yourself wrote. It doesn't surprise me as you are so caught up in your bullshit. You are the fool.

Yes. I do think you have reading comprehension fail. What kind of idiot would bring the 2080 Ti into the conversation when it wasn't even about it in this thread, yet you did. And I said AMD has the best high end from their perspective since the R9 290X competitive wise. Hence I mentioned the 290X and not Vega 64 or the Fury X because I think that's what the best GPU they put out since the R9 290X. If you bothered to read more I clearly stated that the 2080 Ti was the best. That's not rocket science here.

And HardOCP is getting different results like in Far Cry 5 it's easily getting 60 FPS.

https://www.hardocp.com/article/2019/02/14/amd_radeon_vii_video_card_review/9

Where as PC Gamer doesn't. Different sites get's slightly different results, that doesn't negate the fact that it get's nearly 60 FPS and in some games more. Nearly doesn't mean all. Reading is essential here.

Even in the PC Gamer summary it's getting nearly 58 FPS which is close to 60 FPS...LMAO. Looks like you owned your self on that one. And that's with pre-mature drivers.

Holy fuk, you have a thick skull. You said "I think AMD has the best high end GPU" and I responded with the 2080 Ti due to no mention of it in your OP. You got owned. Deal with it.

Both PC Gamer and Hard OCP show that it can not do FC5 4K/60fps on Ultra as it is not a solid 60fps. There are frequent dips below 60fps. Then there is AC Odyssey where it can not even hold 30fps. LOL

Also, you like to use the word "nearly" a lot... First it was "can do 4K 60 FPS in nearly all games maxed out" and then "it get's nearly 60 FPS and in some games more". Nearly doesn't cut it. Don't worry though... it "nearly" does 30fps on AC:O. LMAO

I don't give a fuk about this being the best offering from AMD in a while...

I remember he called me an AMD Hawaii hater even though I've literally had an AMD Hawaii GPU in my desktop for almost half a decade........ (lmao)

The major problem I see with the Radeon VII is the freaking price! AMD pricing it $700 is way too much for an AMD GPU, that thing should have been $600 from the get-go! I'm not saying it's a bad GPU from AMD, it's the fact that it's alot closer to RTX 2080 and pricing it $700, I might as well save another $100 just to get the RTX 2080 instead.

If AMD had price Radeon VII for $600, it would have been fine for what it's worth but nevertheless, I'm happy with my RTX 2070 purchase :)

Are you this stupid? The thread is titled:

Is Vega 7 AMD’s best high end GPU in over 5 years?

NOT the best high end GPU right now. But you were too stupid at reading comprehension and interpreted as the best GPU. I even stated in the thread that it "It wins some and loses some against the RTX 2080." Where the hell did you read I said anything about the 2080 Ti? HardOCP is showing highest in game settings with + HD textures on it's getting 63.6 FPS. And for the first time since the release of the R9 290X AMD put out the best high end GPU from their perspective. That was the entire premise of the thread. That they put out their best high end GPU in over 5 years. I have to break this down to you like teaching toddler when no one else on this thread said that Vega 7 was better than the 2080 Ti because they are not that too stupid to fail at reading comprehension.

And I also have a Hawaii GPU with the 390X.

I think the pricing was due to the cost of the 16 GB HBM2. It's basically a MI50 GPU AMD threw in for gaming. Probably to have something in the high end until Navi comes which I expect it to target the sub $500 market.

@Xtasy26:

How many times do I have to quote you?

"For the first time since the release of the R9 290X I think AMD has the best high end GPU. It wins some and loses some against the RTX 2080."

Reading comprehension... Pay attention to what you write for fucks sake (I even made it bold for you). You said you thought AMD had the best high end GPU and I called you out on it. The 2080 Ti is clearly the best. So, I don't know why you can't comprehend that. You were wrong, got owned, and now you are just making a bigger fool of yourself. Take the loss and move on....

@BassMan said:

@Xtasy26:

How many times do I have to quote you?

"For the first time since the release of the R9 290X I think AMD has the best high end GPU. It wins some and loses some against the RTX 2080."

Reading comprehension... Pay attention to what you write for fucks sake (I even made it bold for you). You said you thought AMD had the best high end GPU and I called you out on it. The 2080 Ti is clearly the best. So, I don't know why you can't comprehend that. You were wrong, got owned, and now you are just making a bigger fool of yourself. Take the loss and move on....

Question: Why is the thread titled: "

Is Vega 7 AMD’s best high end GPU in over 5 years?"

I said AMD's best high end GPU since R9 290X. What kind of idiot would think that I meant the 2080Ti. Oh Yeah, someone who is fails at reading comprehension. I was clearly seeing it from AMD's perspective that this was their best high end GPU sine the R9 290X. For the first time since R9 290X and in the past 5 years in which the R9 290X came out. No one in the thread mentioned that I said it was better than the 2080 Ti. Except you.

Lear how to read before you make a fool of yourself. You posted on thread that's titled AMD's best high end GPU in over 5 years? Does it says the best high end GPU or AMD's best high end GPU? If you don't understand the difference between these two statements then you clearly fail at reading comprehension. Take the loss? You mean you are the fool that posted on a thread titled AMD's best high end GPU and you interpreted as it the best high end GPU. Text book example of reading comprehension fail.

@Xtasy26:

LOL, you just owned yourself again.

"I think AMD has the best high end GPU." is an independent statement from the thread title and is wrong. I have no issue with you thinking Vega 7 is AMD's best high end GPU in over 5 years because AMD has been irrelevant in the high end for most of the past 5 years. Overall, it is still a disappointing GPU though. Their architecture needs a revamp and it should be much better for a 7nm GPU.

Seriously? You are still arguing about this. Everyone knows I pre-faced this "For the first time since the release of the R9 290X" And then later on with "It wins some and loses some against the RTX 2080." Everyone knows that I was comparing this with the RTX 2080 and NOT the 2080 Ti. Everyone in the thread knows about this except you. No where did I mention that it was better than the 2080 Ti and the question was whether or not it was the best high end GPU they released since the 290X. This is not rocket science to figure out.

@Xtasy26: It took you 20 days to reply with the same old shit. LMAO

Me reading Xtasy26 slapstick late ass replys:

@davillain- said:

@BassMan said:

@Xtasy26: It took you 20 days to reply with the same old shit. LMAO

Me reading Xtasy26 slapstick late ass replys:

LOL

The last AMD video card I had was the 280x. After, switching to Nvidia 980ti I'd never go back to AMD. Even upgraded to the ASUS STRIX 1080 TI. Nvidia graphics cards don't bottle neck, frame skip, or have driver issues. Pay the extra bucks and get something that'll last. Trust me I've owned the AMD 7990, 7970, 280X, and old school early 2000s ATI graphics cards. Nvidia has it going on.

So? I don't sit on my a$$ all day on GS.

@davillain- said:

@BassMan said:

@Xtasy26: It took you 20 days to reply with the same old shit. LMAO

Me reading Xtasy26 slapstick late ass replys:

Apparently he has some reading comprehension fail. Thinks I said Vega 7 was better than the 1080 Ti even though the title of the thread says, "AMD's best high end..." NOT the best high end.

@Xtasy26: AMDs high end card hasn't been high end since their release of the ATI video cards lol

@Xtasy26 said:

@BassMan said:

@Xtasy26: It took you 20 days to reply with the same old shit. LMAO

So? I don't sit on my a$$ all day on GS.

@davillain- said:

@BassMan said:

@Xtasy26: It took you 20 days to reply with the same old shit. LMAO

Me reading Xtasy26 slapstick late ass replys:

Apparently he has some reading comprehension fail. Thinks I said Vega 7 was better than the 1080 Ti even though the title of the thread says, "AMD's best high end..." NOT the best high end.

Reading comprehension fail huh? I will just keep posting your quote forever until you admit the fail is on your end...

"For the first time since the release of the R9 290X I think AMD has the best high end GPU."

@BassMan said:

@Xtasy26 said:

@BassMan said:

@Xtasy26: It took you 20 days to reply with the same old shit. LMAO

So? I don't sit on my a$$ all day on GS.

@davillain- said:

@BassMan said:

@Xtasy26: It took you 20 days to reply with the same old shit. LMAO

Me reading Xtasy26 slapstick late ass replys:

Apparently he has some reading comprehension fail. Thinks I said Vega 7 was better than the 1080 Ti even though the title of the thread says, "AMD's best high end..." NOT the best high end.

Reading comprehension fail huh? I will just keep posting your quote forever until you admit the fail is on your end...

"For the first time since the release of the R9 290X I think AMD has the best high end GPU."

Really? You posted on a thread entitled "AMD’s best high end GPU in over 5 years?" Let's use logic for a second. In thread I explained I mentioned the R9 290X. Gee...I wonder when was the R9 290X released gee I don't know 5 years ago. Hence, AMD's best high end in in 5 years. Seriously, you are making a fool of yourself when everyone in the thread knows that I wasn't mentioning the 2080 Ti. LMAO. One question let's start with basic reading comprehension. Does the thread say Best High End GPU in 5 years? Or AMD's best high end GPU in 5 years? Let's start with basic reading comprehension. I will try to break this down to you piece by piece.

With the latest drivers AMD is actually beating the RTX 2080 in 7 out of the 10 games now in the review below.

Plus it's cheaper now $679.99 vs $699.99 of the RTX 2080. Looks like AMD's "fine wine" in action.

AMD's "Fine Wine" is over exaggerated....... The fact is the core architecture GCN has stayed in these gpu's since 2012. GCN has major flaws in geometry output and ROPS ie beginning and end parts of rendering a frame. Fact is that AMD has to improve drivers as they go along taking time... while Nvidia tends to get most of out an architecture from the start. It does not necessarily mean AMD gpu age better because of the architecture. Its a mix of both more refined and optimized drivers along with a long term standardized architecture base.

For example just using Techpowerup's relative performance charts over the years.

Since launch FuryX vs 980ti, at 1080p FuryX was able to close the gap by 11% since launch but is still 3% slower on avg. at 1440p a 10% gap was closed, and performance is within 2% of 980ti until the 4gb buffer is saturated.

Now lets take a look at GTX 1060 6gb vs RX 480. At launch RX 480 was 90% the performance of a GTX 1060 6gb, one year later it was 98% as fast, however in late 2018 it dropped to 94%. So only a 4% gain since launch.

Even with GTX 1080 vs VEGA 64 the gap has stayed pretty much the same since the release of the VEGA 64.

For the price the Radeon 7 is the better buy than the RTX 2080.

One thing I noticed is that the .1% frames on the Radeon 7 was worse on most of the games tested in that video.

@Xtasy26: "For the first time since the release of the R9 290X I think AMD has the best high end GPU."

@BassMan Thread is titled "

Is Vega 7 AMD’s best high end GPU in over 5 years?"

"Since the release of the R9 290X" R9 290X was released over 5 years ago. You didn't answer the question. Why would I say AMD's best not the best as in beating the 2080 Ti.

This is not rocket science to figure out I was saying AMD's best. I mean it's freaking in the title of the thread. LMAO.

@Xtasy26:

"For the first time since the release of the R9 290X I think AMD has the best high end GPU."

GCN has major flaws with geometry-raster engines ROPS read/write units bottlenecks and lack of PC DirectX11 MT command list feed**. For efficient raster graphics processing, TFLOPS is useless without these graphics fix function hardware.

**AMD's DirectX11 MT command list feed function is enabled with multiple GPUs with multiple graphics command processors, but there's latency penalties with two graphics processors being separated. Game consoles GCN has two graphics command processors, hence their DirectX 11.X MT support.

@BassMan The key word here since the release of the R9 290X. The title of the thread is:

AMD’s best high end GPU in over 5 years?

What came out over 5 years ago? You didn't answer the question? No one in this thread is too stupid not to understand that I didn't say that the 2080 Ti is faster. Simple common sense.

@Xtasy26: Do you even read my posts? I understand your reading comprehension level is low, so I will copy and paste for you again....

"I think AMD has the best high end GPU." is an independent statement from the thread title and is wrong. I have no issue with you thinking Vega 7 is AMD's best high end GPU in over 5 years because AMD has been irrelevant in the high end for most of the past 5 years. Overall, it is still a disappointing GPU though. Their architecture needs a revamp and it should be much better for a 7nm GPU.

Did you even read the title of the thread? It states AMD's best high end GPU in over 5 years. And did you read the part I said since the "R9 290X". No one failed comprehension like you in the thread. I mean NO ONE believed that I said it was better than the 2080 Ti you were the only one who was stupid enough to bring up the 2080 Ti. Again let's summarize AMD's best high end since the R9 290X? comprendí? End of discussion.

@Xtasy26:

Has Vega 56 Caught the GTX 1080 in 2019?

Overall I say not, AMD has to rely on Vulkan and DX12 to override their lack of DX11 efficiency. Non native DX12 and Vulkan coding on top of DX 11 base in games adds overhead on Nvidia's driver optimization which hurts their performance. Take WWZ as an example, even with RTX 2080ti with Vulkan almost gets matched by a VEGA 56, but while using DX11, 2080ti destroys Radeon 7. Nvidia is probably not optimizing Pascal to the same degree as Turing at this point.

But again AMD's "Fine Wine" is over exaggerated. Even with Hardware Unboxed newest video RX 580 vs GTX 1060 6gb shows only an average 5% gain since RX 580's release. Optimizing drivers along with a long term standardized architecture base does help GCN based gpu's sure.

As of 25th of April.

@BassMan said:

@Xtasy26:

Congrats on posting on thread in entitled "AMD's Best High End GPU in over 5 years". Thinking I said it was better than the 2080 Ti. Epitome of reading comprehension fail.

Yet it's beating the 2080 with newer drivers in 7 out of 10 games and it has double the VRAM and cost $20 less. Still pretty good for a an improved GCN architecture. Imagine what AMD could have done if they had the R&D money to design a true gaming GPU with a new architecture specifically tailored towards Gaming. Instead of taking a Data Center GPU and trying to make it into a Gaming GPU.