It feels like PC gamers are getting screwed...

I agree, with the ps1 and n64 days, it seems devolpers new what are for pc and what are for consoles. Then microsoft entered and it kinda started the whole excluisve deal. I mean ps1 and 64 had exclusives, but people bought each console for their advantage, like ps1 for there platforming and rpgs, and 64 for their first party titles and just that kinda of fun factor without a real depth to it like some ps1 games.Mapleleafs4life

100% agree

[QUOTE="Mapleleafs4life"]I agree, with the ps1 and n64 days, it seems devolpers new what are for pc and what are for consoles. Then microsoft entered and it kinda started the whole excluisve deal. I mean ps1 and 64 had exclusives, but people bought each console for their advantage, like ps1 for there platforming and rpgs, and 64 for their first party titles and just that kinda of fun factor without a real depth to it like some ps1 games.dahwnpapaya

100% agree

Well this one is simple.

1. Price -The console market is larger and the potential to make even more money is possible. The same can't be said for the ever growing expensive p.c gaming market. Graphic cards, memory and other components are getting out of the reach of many. Even the so-called "mainstream" items are still expensive.

2. Ideas - 99% of pcgames are about first person shooters. The FPS genre has saturated the martket with garbage. New ideas need to be put out on the table.

3. Social Aspect - The console is a social device, the P.C isn't. While I love p.c gaming, if I have friends over then I am hooking up the 360 and playing over the plasma. You just can't do that with a p.c.

[QUOTE="dahwnpapaya"]

[QUOTE="Mapleleafs4life"]I agree, with the ps1 and n64 days, it seems devolpers new what are for pc and what are for consoles. Then microsoft entered and it kinda started the whole excluisve deal. I mean ps1 and 64 had exclusives, but people bought each console for their advantage, like ps1 for there platforming and rpgs, and 64 for their first party titles and just that kinda of fun factor without a real depth to it like some ps1 games.kris2456

100% agree

Ya.  Not to sound like an old fart, but I miss the good ol' days.

Well this one is simple.

1. Price -The console market is larger and the potential to make even more money is possible. The same can't be said for the ever growing expensive p.c gaming market. Graphic cards, memory and other components are getting out of the reach of many. Even the so-called "mainstream" items are still expensive.

2. Ideas - 99% of pcgames are about first person shooters. The FPS genre has saturated the martket with garbage. New ideas need to be put out on the table.

3. Social Aspect - The console is a social device, the P.C isn't. While I love p.c gaming, if I have friends over then I am hooking up the 360 and playing over the plasma. You just can't do that with a p.c.

ChocoKat

We started getting screwed the instant that Halo was stolen from PC. M$ knew it was going to be a success so they stole it from the only people who cared about it, the PC crowd"buckfush311

[QUOTE="ChocoKat"]

Well this one is simple.

1. Price -The console market is larger and the potential to make even more money is possible. The same can't be said for the ever growing expensive p.c gaming market. Graphic cards, memory and other components are getting out of the reach of many. Even the so-called "mainstream" items are still expensive.

2. Ideas - 99% of pcgames are about first person shooters. The FPS genre has saturated the martket with garbage. New ideas need to be put out on the table.

3. Social Aspect - The console is a social device, the P.C isn't. While I love p.c gaming, if I have friends over then I am hooking up the 360 and playing over the plasma. You just can't do that with a p.c.

Erlkoenig

Some good points to both arguments there (except the ideas part, shooters may be a dime a dozen but there are plenty of ideas out there).

As for the social aspect, its just different between consoles and PCs.  I can log on to BF2142 and play with more than 60 people, Joint Operations and play with 150 people, or World of Warcraft and play with thousands of people...yet on a PS3, the players are excited about 40 person multiplayer, and if you log on you might find a handful of servers with that many people.  In terms of online play and socializing online, PCs have consoles beat hands down not only because of the sheer amount of people available to talk to and play against, but also because of the keyboard and, in many cases, microphones and headsets.

Consoles are good because you can have your friends over and play Madden with three of them, but then you gotta play splitscreen (often 4 tiny screens, as with FPSs) and frankly, I'd rather play online in my room by myself against 60+ people than cram onto a couch.  I mean, if I want real face to face interaction, I will go play golf or football or go to the bars, not button mash while playing Halo.

To me, video gaming is a hobby.  Its a time to shut off the outside world and be alone, venting off whatever stress you absorbed at work or at school.  Its not a time to do some real socializing.  I am not a pasty skinned hermit, as I like to go to the bars, hang out with friends and watch movies...but video games just arent a time to do real socializing, imo.

Well this one is simple.

1. Price -The console market is larger and the potential to make even more money is possible. The same can't be said for the ever growing expensive p.c gaming market. Graphic cards, memory and other components are getting out of the reach of many. Even the so-called "mainstream" items are still expensive.

2. Ideas - 99% of pcgames are about first person shooters. The FPS genre has saturated the martket with garbage. New ideas need to be put out on the table.

3. Social Aspect - The console is a social device, the P.C isn't. While I love p.c gaming, if I have friends over then I am hooking up the 360 and playing over the plasma. You just can't do that with a p.c.

ChocoKat

The price of computers is a misinformed guess at best.. You can make a very very very good computer for around $1000 that can rival the consoles right now in performance.. Not just that but the computer is capable of playing every game ever released for it, not to mention the thousands of other things that a console can NOT do. 

No they arn't, there have been numerous RTS and TBS's releasing this entire year and last year..  Same goes for RPG's (though I was immensly disapointed with their quality, but still).. Not to mention MMO's are becoming main stream (whether this is a positive or negative, I am not gonna presume)..   Your misinformed here as well, just look at the sticky of why its good to be a pcgamer thread at the top.

   I agree with the social aspect but there is a trade off..  PC internet community >>>>>>>> Console.. With the ability to have way more people on at once, modabiliyt making hundreds of not thousands of new multiplayers not to mention not having to depend off one system makes lag non existent.  Not to mention more and more games are starting to become lan friendly being able to play the game with out cd and not checking for cdkeys on lan.. So you can buy one game and play the game with multiple people.. Yes you can't sit down and play together, that is a trade off with the numerous more controls, options etc etc.

  Lets also not forget the PCgaming industry is huge..  And only growing with the fact people NEED to have a computer now a days, for job, work etc etc.

So, I guess this is a plea to the guys that make the games, somewhere in teh intarweb. Stop crapping on gamers. We're mean SOB's and we'll hack you, and put spyware on your computers that will make lots of porn popups. The only way to escape this terrible fate is to release good games to the PC gamers, keep us happy, and playing all the good games you keep dangling in front of our noses, and snatching away at the last minute.
fractoman

This is probably precisely why many games are coming out on the consoles, PC fanboys are a whiny, vengeful lot who will sue at the first opportunity (look at nvidia), why would anyone specifically cater to such a hostile customer base if they really didn't have to is beyond me.

Moral of the story is, quit whining, who cares what the x360 gets?

[QUOTE="fractoman"]
So, I guess this is a plea to the guys that make the games, somewhere in teh intarweb. Stop crapping on gamers. We're mean SOB's and we'll hack you, and put spyware on your computers that will make lots of porn popups. The only way to escape this terrible fate is to release good games to the PC gamers, keep us happy, and playing all the good games you keep dangling in front of our noses, and snatching away at the last minute.
mikemil828

This is probably precisely why many games are coming out on the consoles, PC fanboys are a whiny, vengeful lot who will sue at the first opportunity (look at nvidia), why would anyone specifically cater to such a hostile customer base if they really didn't have to is beyond me.

Moral of the story is, quit whining, who cares what the x360 gets?

   That whole Nvidia thing is hilarious.. I honestly hope those idiots try to sue them, because in the end they will lose and be stuck with the gigantic bill...  All because they were too dumb to research before they buy something.. HMMM

The biggest screwing as of late is waiting for HL episodes so they can make prep them for console release this fall.

[QUOTE="fractoman"]
So, I guess this is a plea to the guys that make the games, somewhere in teh intarweb. Stop crapping on gamers. We're mean SOB's and we'll hack you, and put spyware on your computers that will make lots of porn popups. The only way to escape this terrible fate is to release good games to the PC gamers, keep us happy, and playing all the good games you keep dangling in front of our noses, and snatching away at the last minute.
mikemil828

This is probably precisely why many games are coming out on the consoles, PC fanboys are a whiny, vengeful lot who will sue at the first opportunity (look at nvidia), why would anyone specifically cater to such a hostile customer base if they really didn't have to is beyond me.

Moral of the story is, quit whining, who cares what the x360 gets?

[QUOTE="fractoman"]
So, I guess this is a plea to the guys that make the games, somewhere in teh intarweb. Stop crapping on gamers. We're mean SOB's and we'll hack you, and put spyware on your computers that will make lots of porn popups. The only way to escape this terrible fate is to release good games to the PC gamers, keep us happy, and playing all the good games you keep dangling in front of our noses, and snatching away at the last minute.
mikemil828

This is probably precisely why many games are coming out on the consoles, PC fanboys are a whiny, vengeful lot who will sue at the first opportunity (look at nvidia), why would anyone specifically cater to such a hostile customer base if they really didn't have to is beyond me.

Moral of the story is, quit whining, who cares what the x360 gets?

  I hate to say it but the pc gaming market is going to continue to shrink.
The things that made pc gaming are no longer exclusive to the pc.

I started in this industry way way back. My first projects were on a bbs with 300 baud modems ( thats about .03k per second transfer rate.) . The bbs was unique then, you could dial up a persons home phone that had there pc connected and was running software so other users could connect and leave messages, play games , etc. If they wanted to have text based multiplayer they had to order more phone lines from the phone company, more modems, etc and that was really expensive , BUT, it was something unique that couldn't be done any other way.

Things improved. You got the internet with dialup and dos, maybe even windows 3.1 . I worked with the kali for dos programs and getting warcraft to work over dialup with 300ms pings. Constant disconnects, packet drivers, BUT, it was again something that couldn't be done any other way. Consoles were just not up to snuff.

Next you got the 3d revolution with the voodoo cards from 3dfx. Consoles had nothing like it. Hardware 3d mechanically switched through the 2d card. It was expensive, but again offered something the consoles couldn't.

Present day.
Consoles that are more than adequate to display 3d to the masses. Multiplayer  that is simple. Plug and play gaming.
The pc has going for it that it can improve quicker , faster upgrades in hardware. But it lacks one thing.
It needs to innovate to survive. The average joe is not going to spend a grand on a pc to play games that come with
driver issues, bugs, hardware incompatibilities just to see better graphics. They would rather plop down 300.00 on a xbox and come home , plug it in and play.  The pc has lost its edge. It needs something that the consoles can't offer.

What that is I don't know, if I did I would quit my work now and form my own company.
As it is, I see many friends in the industry moving to console only development.  They still love the pc , but its just not where the money is  anymore.

I don't own a single console that I develop for, I still prefer the pc, but I am the minority now.

p2monk

Consoles are already starting to mimic pc's (in regards to features, price, and complexity). Computers will become more user friendly and cheaper, while consoles will become more expensive and complex, so basically these two platforms are about to meet in the middle somewhere and nothing will differentiate themselves from each other.

Will people abandon consoles because you can get the same exact experience on a pc plus more? Or will all games and hardware developed for gaming be reserved for consoles?

I think consoles are going to be "absorbed" into pc's in the future. Just look at the PS3, imagine what the PS4will be, a sony VAIO with spiderman font.

And to the TC, i dont believe we are getting "screwed". Even if most of the releases are ports, the ports are usually better than their console counterparts. Besides, no console has yet to get battlefield 2. It's exclusives like that which dont make me feel screwed. (although cod2 did kinda suck compared to cod1 and uo)

i think the people saying that consoles are getting more complex are delusional... the only thing complex is picking which version you want... larger or smaller hard drive.

consoles are still plug and play like they've always been since the NES days... even the internet connection is as simple as giving yourself a name, and plugging a cable in the back.

consoles and PC will never merge in our lifetimes

Well this one is simple.

1. Price -The console market is larger and the potential to make even more money is possible. The same can't be said for the ever growing expensive p.c gaming market. Graphic cards, memory and other components are getting out of the reach of many. Even the so-called "mainstream" items are still expensive.

2. Ideas - 99% of pcgames are about first person shooters. The FPS genre has saturated the martket with garbage. New ideas need to be put out on the table.

3. Social Aspect - The console is a social device, the P.C isn't. While I love p.c gaming, if I have friends over then I am hooking up the 360 and playing over the plasma. You just can't do that with a p.c.

ChocoKat

I agree as well. I'd also add that "part" of the problem is that we've lost so many "PC gamers" (and I suppose i use that term lightly in this regard) to WoW. Just think, if all those people weren't playing WoW (and to a smaller extent GW) that'd be about 10 million more people buying PC games instead of playing Wow and GW. (Not that they are terrible games, I've tried GW, got bored of it after a few months and have never played Wow). It just seems that PC game variety has suffered because of M$'s Xbox crap "and" Wow itself.

I could and hope I'm proven wrong on that eventually though. In fact, Wow could be one of the reasons PC gaming is holding on, so who knows. I just hope PC gaming gets better soon. Heck, I'm hoping that when Infinity: The Quest for Earth comes out, that it's the last game I buy for quite some time.
1Lonehawk

All you have to do is look at the top of this forum at the topic about PC gaming in 07!

The only game I see on console I would want to play is Gears of War.

But that game and Halo are coming out on the PC

Microsoft is really pushing PC gaming now with thier "Games for Windows" spiel.

If there were no PC games...there would be no  need for top end computers ( just computers capable of web surfing and any 486 could do that)

Computer builders and parts suppliers would go bankrupt in a heartbeat...

Microsoft along with them...and they aren't going to let that happen...even if they have to make the games themselves.

There are many many PC games coming out this year alone....too many to list.

So do yourself a favor and read the post about the Reasons to be a PC gamer in 07

[QUOTE="mikemil828"]

[QUOTE="fractoman"]
So, I guess this is a plea to the guys that make the games, somewhere in teh intarweb. Stop crapping on gamers. We're mean SOB's and we'll hack you, and put spyware on your computers that will make lots of porn popups. The only way to escape this terrible fate is to release good games to the PC gamers, keep us happy, and playing all the good games you keep dangling in front of our noses, and snatching away at the last minute.
Erlkoenig

This is probably precisely why many games are coming out on the consoles, PC fanboys are a whiny, vengeful lot who will sue at the first opportunity (look at nvidia), why would anyone specifically cater to such a hostile customer base if they really didn't have to is beyond me.

Moral of the story is, quit whining, who cares what the x360 gets?

You really didn't get what I was trying to say, were you?

Of course the guy was joking, its just that there are way too many similar statements nowadays from PC gamers that were NOT joking, to the point that it's really not worth working for such a hostile community anymore.

PC never gets any exclusive titles now.

Bioshock.... also on 360
Crysis.... rumoured to be on 360
UT 3.... on PS3 and 360

And look at all the crappy ports we get... the main offender for this seems to be the Tom Clancy games.


dbowman

I agree as well. I'd also add that "part" of the problem is that we've lost so many "PC gamers" (and I suppose i use that term lightly in this regard) to WoW. Just think, if all those people weren't playing WoW (and to a smaller extent GW) that'd be about 10 million more people buying PC games instead of playing Wow and GW. (Not that they are terrible games, I've tried GW, got bored of it after a few months and have never played Wow). It just seems that PC game variety has suffered because of M$'s Xbox crap "and" Wow itself.
1Lonehawk

[QUOTE="Erlkoenig"][QUOTE="mikemil828"]

[QUOTE="fractoman"]
So, I guess this is a plea to the guys that make the games, somewhere in teh intarweb. Stop crapping on gamers. We're mean SOB's and we'll hack you, and put spyware on your computers that will make lots of porn popups. The only way to escape this terrible fate is to release good games to the PC gamers, keep us happy, and playing all the good games you keep dangling in front of our noses, and snatching away at the last minute.
mikemil828

This is probably precisely why many games are coming out on the consoles, PC fanboys are a whiny, vengeful lot who will sue at the first opportunity (look at nvidia), why would anyone specifically cater to such a hostile customer base if they really didn't have to is beyond me.

Moral of the story is, quit whining, who cares what the x360 gets?

You really didn't get what I was trying to say, were you?

Of course the guy was joking, its just that there are way too many similar statements nowadays from PC gamers that were NOT joking, to the point that it's really not worth working for such a hostile community anymore.

Ah and gimme a break about the piracy stuff. I live in a college dorm and people here play pirated console games all the damn time. You download the files, you burn them into the DVD, you do some modification to your console and then voila!Erlkoenig

so what's harder.... 1) paying money for a chip and getting it installed then burning games, or 2) searching the net for cracks and then downloading and burning games?

if you think there's more console piracy going on that PC... you're sadly mistaken.

Well this one is simple.

1. Price -The console market is larger and the potential to make even more money is possible. The same can't be said for the ever growing expensive p.c gaming market. Graphic cards, memory and other components are getting out of the reach of many. Even the so-called "mainstream" items are still expensive.

2. Ideas - 99% of pcgames are about first person shooters. The FPS genre has saturated the martket with garbage. New ideas need to be put out on the table.

3. Social Aspect - The console is a social device, the P.C isn't. While I love p.c gaming, if I have friends over then I am hooking up the 360 and playing over the plasma. You just can't do that with a p.c.

ChocoKat

You got everything right! The PC market is really saturated with a heap of garbage games and the FPS market is getting old. Games like Battlefield 2142 helped but the other FPS games are getting really old and boring. Look at the PC releases every week ...it's filled with a bunch of console rejects.

Compare the activity in this forum to xbox 360, PS3 and even Wii. The console market is just too big so developers can easily make money on it. PC game sales are really not that good either.

[QUOTE="Erlkoenig"] Ah and gimme a break about the piracy stuff. I live in a college dorm and people here play pirated console games all the damn time. You download the files, you burn them into the DVD, you do some modification to your console and then voila!smerlus

so what's harder.... 1) paying money for a chip and getting it installed then burning games, or 2) searching the net for cracks and then downloading and burning games?

if you think there's more console piracy going on that PC... you're sadly mistaken.