IW stealing ideas from COD4 modders(why mod support is important)

This is going to be big news for most...that is, for those who have never heard of a community CoD4 mod called X4 (mycallofduty.com).

Allegedly, Modern Warfare 2 will have a tactical nuke as a Killstreak of 25. Welcome to MW2...or is it X4? The following pic was tweeted on Twitpic by randomalec today:

Many of our hardcore PC readers will already know that the X4 (eXtreme mod for CoD4) mod from mycallofduty.com (PST*Joker's site) had a working Tac Nuke a year ago.

First, take a look at this video done for the X4 mod:

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Now, here's the MW2 version:

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That I know of, there is still no formal recognition of the modders that influenced the nuke, the controllable AC130, the knife-throw, the spawn protection, air drops...the list is growing. When asked for to comment on the discovery that yet another X4-like feature is in MW2, a disconsolate PST*Joker had this to say:

"Half the PC players, All of the Xbox and PS3 players, can now know what mods can do for a game. They will all get the opportunity to see exactly what WE have been doing over the years and what kind of servers WE have been creating"

Buster, from TheCompanyHub.com had a slightly more sardonic take:

"Jokers AC130. Jokers Nukes. My Winter Ghillie Suit and uniforms. My idea posted on Bowling's blog 1 year ago about the KRISS Weapon system. Lol! What's next our Gamer Tags? Our Wives? Maybe they will steal our idea about dedicated servers..."

All other Killstreaks:

Kills
Kill Streak Reward
3 UAV 4 Care Package
4 Counter UAV
5 Sentry Gun
5 Predator Missile
6 Precision Airstrike
7 Hammer Strike
7 Attack Helicopter
8 Emergency Airdrop
9 Pave Low
9 Stealth Bomber
11 Chopper Gunner
11 AC130 15 EMP 25 Tactical Nuke

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why remove mods from MW2 IW?

well that happens when something isn't copywrited, and tactical nuke is hard to get, and i've seen it in action.....BEAST. So what Modders and Hackers ruin the game anyway, they only kill you in ways that are impossible, so would you want to challenge them? I don't, especially with shooting through buildings and auto-lock headshots.

well that happens when something isn't copywrited, and tactical nuke is hard to get, and i've seen it in action.....BEAST. So what Modders and Hackers ruin the game anyway, they only kill you in ways that are impossible, so would you want to challenge them? I don't, especially with shooting through buildings and auto-lock headshots.

COSMICX815

...thats what the article is about..

how the modders didnt even get credited for most of the stuff in MW2..and btw what are u rambing about..this isnt about hackers.... please read again or leave

This is news? games do this all the time.

This is news? games do this all the time.

warmaster670

"Half the PC players, All of the Xbox and PS3 players, can now know what mods can do for a game"

well that happens when something isn't copywrited, and tactical nuke is hard to get, and i've seen it in action.....BEAST. So what Modders and Hackers ruin the game anyway, they only kill you in ways that are impossible, so would you want to challenge them? I don't, especially with shooting through buildings and auto-lock headshots.

COSMICX815

[QUOTE="warmaster670"]

This is news? games do this all the time.

devious742

"Half the PC players, All of the Xbox and PS3 players, can now know what mods can do for a game"

[QUOTE="devious742"]

[QUOTE="warmaster670"]

This is news? games do this all the time.

dakan45

"Half the PC players, All of the Xbox and PS3 players, can now know what mods can do for a game"

[QUOTE="warmaster670"]

This is news? games do this all the time.

devious742

"Half the PC players, All of the Xbox and PS3 players, can now know what mods can do for a game"

And that has, what to do with my post?

well that happens when something isn't copywrited, and tactical nuke is hard to get, and i've seen it in action.....BEAST. So what Modders and Hackers ruin the game anyway, they only kill you in ways that are impossible, so would you want to challenge them? I don't, especially with shooting through buildings and auto-lock headshots.

COSMICX815

[QUOTE="devious742"]

[QUOTE="warmaster670"]

This is news? games do this all the time.

warmaster670

"Half the PC players, All of the Xbox and PS3 players, can now know what mods can do for a game"

And that has, what to do with my post?

well that happens when something isn't copywrited, and tactical nuke is hard to get, and i've seen it in action.....BEAST. So what Modders and Hackers ruin the game anyway, they only kill you in ways that are impossible, so would you want to challenge them? I don't, especially with shooting through buildings and auto-lock headshots.

COSMICX815

A 'mod' is not the same as a 'hack'.

Mods include custom maps, custom skins for weapons/characters, custom sounds, or tweaking gameplay settings. No matter what a mod brings to the table, EVERYONE connecting to a modded server uses those features, not just one individual. Some people actually enjoy playing with altered game settings and custom maps - or servers that offer these things would be unpopulated.

Hacks are wallhacks, aimbots, etc. They have absolutely nothing to do with 'mods'. And if you think VAC anti-cheat is going to prevent people from hacking MW2, you are very much mistaken. Counter-strike is one of the most hacked games played online, and it uses VAC. All VAC does is record what hacks are being used, then does a global ban weeks or perhaps more than a month later. So you will still have to continue playing against these hackers until they are banned - that is, if the hack is even detected by VAC.

At least with Punkbuster streaming to PBBans and Punksbusted, the hackers were caught and banned straight away. Vigilant admins could also kick suspected cheaters. All of that is now no longer possible.

With MW2, you cannot kick anyone from a Ranked (public) match. This means team-killers, spawn campers, rascists, griefers, etc., are going to have free reign, and you can do NOTHING about it.

Glitchers - there are already videos on YouTube exhibiting some of the map glitches that can be exploited, ie, getting outside of the map boundaries and reaching areas that were not supposed to be reached. You can be sure that people will be using these glitches from day one on the PC, ruining the game for everyone.

As for 'shooting through buildings' - er...what? Shooting through walls was put into CoD 4 by Infinity Ward themselves, and that has been retained in MW2. And from what I've seen, they've made it even worse, because the Chopper Gunship can tear through buildings like paper, which means there is nowhere to hide from it. Have fun getting constantly shot 'through buildings', because it is a 'feature' of the stock game.

And if you think the Tactical Nuke is hard to get, you are deluded. Just watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prK-lmQzyDo

The guy in that video gets a few kills, enough to unlock the kill streaks, and then gets at least 10 kills with the chopper gunship alone by raping the spawn points, which unlocks the tactical nuke. 20 seconds later he drops a nuke on everyone, getting an instant win. Considering IW keep going on about 'balance', that's the most unbalanced gameplay I've ever seen in any multiplayer game.

Nice post devious, I was getting the same feeling. And even though those ideas might not be protected by copyright, they could have masked it somewhat better. It wasnt for nothing that ppl joked around that Jokers mods will see a comercial release. But I am shocked to read so much stupidity in this thread, like modders ruin the game. I thought such ignorance exists only in movies

Nice post devious, I was getting the same feeling. And even though those ideas might not be protected by copyright, they could have masked it somewhat better. It wasnt for nothing that ppl joked around that Jokers mods will see a comercial release. But I am shocked to read so much stupidity in this thread, like modders ruin the game. I thought such ignorance exists only in movies

xdrjx

i don't get what you're saying. except that stealing is wrong and mod support is good. removing mod support also removes the ability to steal ideas from modders. so you're saying mod support is important, so ideas could be stolen in the future too?

besides, modders don't own any rights for their work, so it's technically not stealing.

[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="devious742"] this for all those ppl who think...removing mod support from MW2 is no big deal..

"Half the PC players, All of the Xbox and PS3 players, can now know what mods can do for a game"

devious742

I wrote this?:shock:

No i am saying that that happens with alot of multiplatform games. But for the record i dont blame iw for removing mods and dedicated servers. I remember 8 out of 10 servers in cod 4 were moded with "pro mod" and zombie crap when all i wanted to do is play the normal game godamn it.dakan45

Yeah that is a genius way to solve that problem :roll:.

Or they could just make an option in the server browser that you can check or uncheck and it will list modded servers.

[QUOTE="dakan45"]No i am saying that that happens with alot of multiplatform games. But for the record i dont blame iw for removing mods and dedicated servers. I remember 8 out of 10 servers in cod 4 were moded with "pro mod" and zombie crap when all i wanted to do is play the normal game godamn it.Remmib

Yeah that is a genius way to solve that problem :roll:.

Or they could just make an option in the server browser that you can check or uncheck and it will list modded servers.

I wrote this?:shock:

devious742