So, I just had my most recent experience with a nice 50" Plasma TV. After 22 days, permanent burn-in lines of the Rockband Vocals and Guitar chart... I figured it was just Plasma Technology... So I looked around and here is what I found: Straight from Samsung: "Warning: LCD TVs are subject to screen burn in. If you have an LCD TV, we recommend that you limit your viewing of stationary graphics and images, such video game displays to no more than 15% of the total television viewing per week." reference Here is a good one about plasmas (reference): "Plasma TVs are subject to screen burn-in. If you have a Plasma TV, we recommend that you limit your viewing of stationary graphics and images, such as video game displays, to no more than 5% of the total television viewing per week." 5% BS!!! There's the problem, I use the TV for 95% Video games! And currently 80% of that time is Rockband and 20% Oblivion. I have 3 other TV's for people who just want to watch TV or movies. I'm sorry, if I'm going to get a TV, I'm sure not going to spend 85% of the time watching TV programming or movies... And if I want to play the same game for 80 hours in one week I better sure be able too (what good is taking leave from work if you can't just play video games?)...
Looks like I might not go High definition after all. Pretty pictures sure, but my TV needs to be 95% dedicated to video games and stationary images... More research I suppose... I can't be the only one on GS that games 95% of the time on their TV...
Maybe someone can give me some serious links for proof debunking samsungs advice... otherwise I will probably just think you don't play the same few video games on your TV as much as I do before moving to the next one.
Well, you could do what I did. I went with a Samsung LED DLP. It is not impacted by image retention (Plasma) or ghosting/smearing (LCD). It is also less expensive than Plasma or LCD of the comparable size. The main disadvantage is that you can't hang it on a wall. The high end plasmas will beat a DLP in picture quality, but I'm not willing to pay $3k more to get an incremental improvement in PQ.
It pretty stupid when the comsumer spends thousands of dollars on a TV only to be told you cant play many games on it. So what? gammers suffer because of a stupid flaw that should have been sorted out before these things were sold to the public?
Well, you could do what I did. I went with a Samsung LED DLP. It is not impacted by image retention (Plasma) or ghosting/smearing (LCD). It is also less expensive than Plasma or LCD of the comparable size. The main disadvantage is that you can't hang it on a wall. The high end plasmas will beat a DLP in picture quality, but I'm not willing to pay $3k more to get an incremental improvement in PQ.
l0053
I found this little article that points out what the DLP's are. It is a technology that while I was familiar with a little bit, I had written off with big screen CRTs. With all the 'gamers' around here talking Plasma and LCD I couldn't help but ignore this whole DLP thing, but it appears that DLP is about the only thing I could use and not have a burn-in effect with my gaming habits. May I question what kind of Samsung DLP TV you have? I'm completely baffled how people have not noticed how inherently flawed LCD's and Plasma's are for gamers.
I have to say I game a lot on my panny plasma and I have never had any problems not even IR.boyinfridge
Do you follow the manufacture advice and only play games on it maybe 5%-10% of the total viewing time?
See I play 95% of the time with video games... in fact I had banned anyone but me using the TV in the household. So of the 22 days I had the plasma TV most of that 95% was rockband, and only rockband, and on the white screen there was visible lines for the vocal and instrument chart... now in in normal viewing they were faint, and not noticable to anyone but me (who knew they were there), but I'm sure the problem would have only got worse. I also didn't follow the recommendation of only playing 2 hours at a time before taking a break... sorry, when I want to game I shouldn't have to break my time into chunks. And they say the first 100 hours are the most crucial time not to break said rules... but why buy a new TV that warns me not to use it a lot out of the box? So yeah, I'm probably the most to blame, but I refuse to bother with a technology that dictates limits I think should not exist. I'm glad you haven't noticed any problems with yours, but Plasma tech just won't work for me and my habits. Fair warning to anyone else like me.
Well, you could do what I did. I went with a Samsung LED DLP. It is not impacted by image retention (Plasma) or ghosting/smearing (LCD). It is also less expensive than Plasma or LCD of the comparable size. The main disadvantage is that you can't hang it on a wall. The high end plasmas will beat a DLP in picture quality, but I'm not willing to pay $3k more to get an incremental improvement in PQ.
raahsnavj
I found this little article that points out what the DLP's are. It is a technology that while I was familiar with a little bit, I had written off with big screen CRTs. With all the 'gamers' around here talking Plasma and LCD I couldn't help but ignore this whole DLP thing, but it appears that DLP is about the only thing I could use and not have a burn-in effect with my gaming habits. May I question what kind of Samsung DLP TV you have? I'm completely baffled how people have not noticed how inherently flawed LCD's and Plasma's are for gamers.
The main reason I went with the LED DLP version is because it has no bulb replacement, and it also uses less energy. YMMV.
The simple fact is that having to manage image retention or dealing with smearing just drives me nuts. So I went with a HDTV technology that does not have those issues.
[QUOTE="boyinfridge"]I have to say I game a lot on my panny plasma and I have never had any problems not even IR.raahsnavj
Do you follow the manufacture advice and only play games on it maybe 5%-10% of the total viewing time?
See I play 95% of the time with video games... in fact I had banned anyone but me using the TV in the household. So of the 22 days I had the plasma TV most of that 95% was rockband, and only rockband, and on the white screen there was visible lines for the vocal and instrument chart... now in in normal viewing they were faint, and not noticable to anyone but me (who knew they were there), but I'm sure the problem would have only got worse. I also didn't follow the recommendation of only playing 2 hours at a time before taking a break... sorry, when I want to game I shouldn't have to break my time into chunks. And they say the first 100 hours are the most crucial time not to break said rules... but why buy a new TV that warns me not to use it a lot out of the box? So yeah, I'm probably the most to blame, but I refuse to bother with a technology that dictates limits I think should not exist. I'm glad you haven't noticed any problems with yours, but Plasma tech just won't work for me and my habits. Fair warning to anyone else like me.
The manual for my Samsung CRT television gives the same advice. It's odd though with the LCD, since, by definition, true burn-in should only occur with phosphor based displays (CRTs and plasmas).
In any case, don't all the current systems have some sort of screen saver or burn-in reduction mode? (I know for a fact the Wii does)
I'm sorry to say, but you base alot of your argument on the warning in the manual, did you just presume they would remove it when the chances of burn in became severly lessened?
As someone else said, they even list those warnings on CRT manuals, so what does that tell you? Alot of people see the plusses in getting a plasma, particularily for gaming, and there has not been much if not any noise about permanenet burn in from people on places like AVS, and trust me, if it was an issue, there would be alot of noise about it.
Why waste money on a new TV, just give your old one a break, and the IR will go away.
Plasmas IR is temporary.
Boxcutters
I don't think you know what 'burn-in' is then. This is due to the fact that the phosphor compounds which emit the light lose their luminosity with use... not repairable. What you are refering to is Ghosting... which means you have to stop using it and it will eventually lose the 'image' and return to the default light luminosity.
It is hard to tell the difference if you use your TV for gaming every day for 4+ hours. Those that have a plasma and have not experience burn-in or even ghosting are either lucky or don't play the same game over and over enough in a contensed time period... I'm one of those people that does. After 4 days of 8 hours straight... sorry plasma tech couldn't keep up with me. So I took it back...
[QUOTE="raahsnavj"][QUOTE="boyinfridge"]I have to say I game a lot on my panny plasma and I have never had any problems not even IR.Boxcutters
Do you follow the manufacture advice and only play games on it maybe 5%-10% of the total viewing time?
See I play 95% of the time with video games... in fact I had banned anyone but me using the TV in the household. So of the 22 days I had the plasma TV most of that 95% was rockband, and only rockband, and on the white screen there was visible lines for the vocal and instrument chart... now in in normal viewing they were faint, and not noticable to anyone but me (who knew they were there), but I'm sure the problem would have only got worse. I also didn't follow the recommendation of only playing 2 hours at a time before taking a break... sorry, when I want to game I shouldn't have to break my time into chunks. And they say the first 100 hours are the most crucial time not to break said rules... but why buy a new TV that warns me not to use it a lot out of the box? So yeah, I'm probably the most to blame, but I refuse to bother with a technology that dictates limits I think should not exist. I'm glad you haven't noticed any problems with yours, but Plasma tech just won't work for me and my habits. Fair warning to anyone else like me.
Buy a LCD then
I think actually I'll look into DLP... which doesn't limit my habits by burn-in or ghosting. It has better resolution and larger screen sizes for the price too. However It does have the 'rainbow' effect... Though I haven't experienced it yet... so maybe I'll have to find out how bad it really is. I would rather have a problem show up early than after I had it long enough for the waranty to be void.
Honestly if you game for hours and hours all you need to do is flash the freaking TV to a differnt channel then put it back to your game. Only takes 5 seconds.
Sorry to be the one that tells you, but i think you took back a great plasma because of ignorance.... If you were to watch a movie for say... about twenty minutes, the so called "burn-in" (which is really image retention IR) would go away. This is common in plasmas, and is not a permanent effect. Plasma's have consistently the best picture around. Don't get rid of one because you don't know all the facts.
Also raasnav, it's not ghosting, what you described IS IR (except the loss of luminosity part, that sounds more like uneven wear, which mainlty only happens on the sides of the screen if you watch too much content in 4:3 with black bars on the side......although some have said it can happen evne with too much colored bar).
GHOSTING, is actually the term used for the double image you see if you look at most plasmas from an extreme side angle due to the double glass manufacturing method (although Pioneers dont exhibit that anymore).
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