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#1 Kingmohd84
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so my family bought an ew sony bravia 60 inch...without knowing it was an hdtv at 1080 (i though, not p)the tv is really nice...and the colors are beautiful and clear for watching movies...
when I asked the guy installing the tv, was this an lcd?and it sure damn looked like one...except ifyou looked int he back there is a medium size bumb...he told me it is "LCD projection"
i read a lot about tv's trying to buy me one for gaming...but never before i heard of LCD projection?can any one lead me on what is this tv's pros and cons?
i testd my xbox on it and it looks really nice, viewing angle is great...if u dont look on the back...u dont know its not full LCD
the great thingis that it cost 1/3 the price of a 50 inch samsun lcd tv...
great picture, great size, for great price...what is lcd projection!?
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#2 Kage1
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Yes their is a such thing as a LCD Projection TV.
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#3 TimothyB
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I don't know the exact term or how an LCD rear projection works, but they've been around. Usually it's 3 LCD panels that the lamp can project through, one panel for each red green and blue color, that can change to allow different amount of light through, thus projecting. It's got the advantage of having those 3 LCDs to do all colors at once compared to DLP projection that only has one chip. So DLP (digital light projection) has to work faster to do each red green and blue color right after each other to where you think you see them all at once to create the image, but this can cause rainbows to certain people if they move their eyes, seeing the colors split apart. LCD Rear projection doesn't have that issue. But usually DLPs have the better blacks. THey do have 3 chip dlps, but those cost a ton and are often what you see for digital theater use.

Sony was the biggest user of LCD Rear Projection 2 years ago. But they've moved to their SXRD rear projections, which are a modified LCoS projection tv. LCoS stands for liquid crystal on silicon. They too are 3 chip, and have better blacks and are now used in their top of the line 1080p projection models. Still, they use LCD RP in their lower end 720p projection tvs. They have added a dynamic iris to LCD Rear projections, like most projections now, to open and close to change the amount of light depending on how bright or dark a scene is. So if a dark scene happens, it closes more do get deeper blacks. And sometimes it has manual modes so it you watch in the dark you can set it to the lowest to dim the screen so your eyes don't bleed from those super bright whites. And there's usually a power save mode to dim the bulb even more.

Your tv is also not 1080i, but more exactly 720p (1280*720) or 768p (1366*768). It supports 1080i and deinterlaces it and shrinks it down to one of those resolutions. It does that to support 1080i tv stations and 1080i devices, like cable boxes or 1080i camcorders.

What model did you get?

And expect to change the bulb in about 3 to 4 years if you do about 4-6 hours a day. The bulbs cost about $200 or so. Often for rear projection it's suggested to get a warranty, as lot more things can go wrong. Stores usually charge too much, but some online places will sell a warranty with bulb replacement for a 3rd of the price as stores for 3-4 years.

My last HDTV was a Sony 55xs955 55inch LCD Rear projection 768p. It was there top model that year just before the first 1080p SXRD came out. So mine had things like memory stick reader, twin view tuner, built it mini subwoofer for good sound, advance video controls. But it didn't have a dynamic iris like new ones do. I paid $2800 shipped no tax for that one 2 years ago, online, while Best Buy was asking $3500 before tax. I just bought a new Toshiba 65inch DLP 1080p Rear Projection for $1750 online, no tax and free shipping from the same place as the sony. It has a bit worse silk screen effect than the sony, and I can see rainbows now and then, but the 1080p res, larger size, cheap price, and deeper blacks are really really nice. It's about $2000 at a store.

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#4 TimothyB
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Also, wikipedia is useful:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LCD_projector
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#5 Kingmohd84
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bulb replacement? this tv is the main tv...it works like 8 to 10 hours a day.no body told us anything about bulb replacementany idea how much they cost?
This is my TV:
http://bondandbond.resultspage.co.nz/electronics/Ks60r200a
but for some reason its double priced in the bond and bond website....
it states that itsupports 1080p...but i think not...although it has the 1080 FULL HD sticker...when i switched my 360 to 1080p it didnt work, but it worked on 1080i

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bulb replacement? this tv is the main tv...it works like 8 to 10 hours a day.no body told us anything about bulb replacementany idea how much they cost?
This is my TV:
http://bondandbond.resultspage.co.nz/electronics/Ks60r200a
but for some reason its double priced in the bond and bond website....
it states that itsupports 1080p...but i think not...although it has the 1080 FULL HD sticker...when i switched my 360 to 1080p it didnt work, but it worked on 1080i

Kingmohd84

im not sure but i dont think u can get 1080p without hdmi cables which the 360 doesnt have unless u have the hd dvd. and theres not too many games that support 1080p. 1080p is mostly for hd movies.

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#7 NiHM
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bulb replacement? this tv is the main tv...it works like 8 to 10 hours a day.no body told us anything about bulb replacementany idea how much they cost?
This is my TV:
http://bondandbond.resultspage.co.nz/electronics/Ks60r200a
but for some reason its double priced in the bond and bond website....
it states that itsupports 1080p...but i think not...although it has the 1080 FULL HD sticker...when i switched my 360 to 1080p it didnt work, but it worked on 1080i

Kingmohd84

Here is the bulb that goes in your TV. Also, despite what the descriptions say, that is not an LCD rear projection television. It is the newer SXRD LCoS technology that TimothyB referenced in an earlier post. Now for you xbox problem. You didn't state which xbox you have, or the way you are connecting it. That TV will only accept 1080p via HDMI. If you hooked up the xbox via component, then that is why it did not work.

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#8 TimothyB
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bulb replacement? this tv is the main tv...it works like 8 to 10 hours a day.no body told us anything about bulb replacementany idea how much they cost?
This is my TV:
http://bondandbond.resultspage.co.nz/electronics/Ks60r200a
but for some reason its double priced in the bond and bond website....
it states that itsupports 1080p...but i think not...although it has the 1080 FULL HD sticker...when i switched my 360 to 1080p it didnt work, but it worked on 1080i

Kingmohd84

From specs I think this tv only accepts 1080p via HDMI, nothing else.

So it's not a LCD RP, it's a SXRD LCoS. But strangely, all current SXRD models with the dumbo speaker design in US are their highest end XBR SXRDs, and the lower models don't, like the a2020 series. But your model is not of the States so it's hard to tell where it fits in. On the Sony Asia site they only show 3 sxrd models with the speaker ears, nothing else. It doesn't have the 180watt lamp like the highest end model xbr does but a regular 120watt, which will mean it lasts longer.

None the less, you got a really nice tv, probably better than anything else right now. Only downside is how deep it is and bulb replacement every 8000 hours or so. The blacks are probably better than a LCD Bravia.

What did you pay for it in US dollars? Maybe you got it cheap because the new models are around the corner. I know the new A3000 120hz lower-ed model in the US is shipping at the end of August.

Also, if you ever watch in a total dark room, try turing on a power save feature to dim the bulb, and lowering the auto iris to the minimum setting instead of auto. That well cause less light through and make blacks look better and the whites to not blind you.

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#9 Kingmohd84
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It costed me around $3,448 , but before you scream of the price...where i live, the 50 inch samsung LCD costs more than $6,631thats what made me get surprised by the price, I dont think they lowered it for comming models, businesses here are vampires they suck the blood out of you, dont expect good service or price reducation, unless the stock they have no one is buying it and they want to get rid of it.
and yes i was using component cables, now i knew why that happened...my xbox is the regular white one not the black elite...it doesnt even have hdmi
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So it's not a LCD RP, it's a SXRD LCoS. But strangely, all current SXRD models with the dumbo speaker design in US are their highest end XBR SXRDs, and the lower models don't, like the a2020 series.

TimothyB

The current XBRs are just a minor upgrade from previous models which is why they kept the same form factor. The regular SXRDs had an early facelift this year, while the new XBR line which offers significant changes to the design will not appear until the Fall.

http://tinyurl.com/2qe6nj

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#11 TimothyB
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[QUOTE="TimothyB"]

So it's not a LCD RP, it's a SXRD LCoS. But strangely, all current SXRD models with the dumbo speaker design in US are their highest end XBR SXRDs, and the lower models don't, like the a2020 series.

Impossibilium

The current XBRs are just a minor upgrade from previous models which is why they kept the same form factor. The regular SXRDs had an early facelift this year, while the new XBR line which offers significant changes to the design will not appear until the Fall.

http://tinyurl.com/2qe6nj

Yeah, the current regular SXRDs are pretty much the same as the first SXRD 1080p tv, while the XBRs had improvements done.

It will be interesting to see how the new SXRD XBRs do, I mean 13 or whatever inches deep at 60inches, hopefully no distortion and atleast some improvement to the picture besides color and 120hz.

And the SXRD A3000s are out in August, but I don't know if it has had any specific improvements the current XBR ones have.