LCD vs LED - which tv should i buy???

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#1 lewisg1212
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Hey Guys,

Purchasing a TV in the next week or so and i am very conflicted over a couple of tvs...

Samsung LE37C650 http://www.richersounds.com/product/lcd-tv/samsung/le37c650/sams-le37c650

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Samsung UE40C5800http://www.richersounds.com/product/led-tv/samsung/ue40c5800/sams-ue40c5800

the latter being the LED, only thing i am conflicted on is the HZ, the LED is 50hz but with some samsung technology to double the frame rate, whereas the LCD is native 100hz with motion plus to 150hz.

Just wanted peoples opinions realy, price is around the same, it is going to be used solely for ps3/xbox and blu ray.

thanks everyone!!!

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#2 ImprovedMind
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Hey Guys,

Purchasing a TV in the next week or so and i am very conflicted over a couple of tvs...

Samsung LE37C650 http://www.richersounds.com/product/lcd-tv/samsung/le37c650/sams-le37c650

or

Samsung UE40C5800http://www.richersounds.com/product/led-tv/samsung/ue40c5800/sams-ue40c5800

the latter being the LED, only thing i am conflicted on is the HZ, the LED is 50hz but with some samsung technology to double the frame rate, whereas the LCD is native 100hz with motion plus to 150hz.

Just wanted peoples opinions realy, price is around the same, it is going to be used solely for ps3/xbox and blu ray.

thanks everyone!!!

lewisg1212
You can't buy a television solely off of specs. You need to see both of them in action and see which one looks the best to you. When I bought my last television I went to about 15 stores and looked at several hundred sets to find the one that looked the best to me.
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I bought a LED because the colors were better than lcd. But my lcd was like 3 years old so..
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#4 Lox_Cropek
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LED TV is better in my opinion. Buy a full array LED TV

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Hey Guys,

Purchasing a TV in the next week or so and i am very conflicted over a couple of tvs...

Samsung LE37C650 http://www.richersounds.com/product/lcd-tv/samsung/le37c650/sams-le37c650

or

Samsung UE40C5800http://www.richersounds.com/product/led-tv/samsung/ue40c5800/sams-ue40c5800

the latter being the LED, only thing i am conflicted on is the HZ, the LED is 50hz but with some samsung technology to double the frame rate, whereas the LCD is native 100hz with motion plus to 150hz.

Just wanted peoples opinions realy, price is around the same, it is going to be used solely for ps3/xbox and blu ray.

thanks everyone!!!

lewisg1212

If the TV was natively 100hz that'd be 3D. Since your UK the native hertz is 50 correct? Thats all you need. MotionPlus or any other tech that doubles the frame rate/refresh rate to 100/120 isn't worth it. The picture looks "fake," and sound is off-sync with the picture. I notice this especially with words and lips. Unless you're going 3D, you only need the native 50hz. You can of course turn it off but it seems that LED is the same price as the LCD, plus a few inches bigger. I'd take the LED. I don't really like LED because all they do is seem to make colors brighter, not worth the extra price tag to me. I'd take LCD/plasma anyday.

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#6 Adam_the_Nerd
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LED provides better, more even lighting. Especially in darker situations. But I'm going to second ImprovedMind in that you really can't base a TV purchase on specs.
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#7 zaku101
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Go out and look at them in the store. TV's just aren't that easy to buy like computer parts or other things. They need to be seen in action in order to truly compare.

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#8 lewisg1212
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thanks guys, im heading in on wednesday to check them both out at a store...just wanted some opinions. Some people seem to think that the 6 series (the LCD) has better processing etc but im not sure... my main conflict is on the motion, 150hz clear motion and the 100hz of the lcd, i dont really understand!
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Neither? Every heard of something called Plasma ? ;) Samsung 6000 50" 1080p plasmas are actually rather cheap now, and produce a pretty neat picture. Panasonic: http://www.richersounds.com/product/plasma-tv/panasonic/viera-txp42g20/pana-txp42g20a LG: http://www.richersounds.com/product/tv---all/lg/50pk350/lg-50pk350
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[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]Neither? Every heard of something called Plasma ? ;) Samsung 6000 50" 1080p plasmas are actually rather cheap now, and produce a pretty neat picture. Panasonic: http://www.richersounds.com/product/plasma-tv/panasonic/viera-txp42g20/pana-txp42g20a LG: http://www.richersounds.com/product/tv---all/lg/50pk350/lg-50pk350

plasmas....not good. really hated how panasonic marketed the whole 600hz thing right below there motion thing so everyone thought it had something to do with motion...where actually it just meant it was pusing more electricity to the gases to give you a brighter picture.....and use 6x the energy. hate plasmas.
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[QUOTE="lewisg1212"][QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]Neither? Every heard of something called Plasma ? ;) Samsung 6000 50" 1080p plasmas are actually rather cheap now, and produce a pretty neat picture. Panasonic: http://www.richersounds.com/product/plasma-tv/panasonic/viera-txp42g20/pana-txp42g20a LG: http://www.richersounds.com/product/tv---all/lg/50pk350/lg-50pk350

plasmas....not good. really hated how panasonic marketed the whole 600hz thing right below there motion thing so everyone thought it had something to do with motion...where actually it just meant it was pusing more electricity to the gases to give you a brighter picture.....and use 6x the energy. hate plasmas.

Have fun using TVs that have grey looking blacks, mass input lag and inferior contrast ratios, then.
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[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]Neither? Every heard of something called Plasma ? ;) Samsung 6000 50" 1080p plasmas are actually rather cheap now, and produce a pretty neat picture. Panasonic: http://www.richersounds.com/product/plasma-tv/panasonic/viera-txp42g20/pana-txp42g20a LG: http://www.richersounds.com/product/tv---all/lg/50pk350/lg-50pk350lewisg1212
plasmas....not good. really hated how panasonic marketed the whole 600hz thing right below there motion thing so everyone thought it had something to do with motion...where actually it just meant it was pusing more electricity to the gases to give you a brighter picture.....and use 6x the energy. hate plasmas.

Wrong. The whole hz is for the refresh rate of the TV. Plasmas are significantly higher than LCD displays. If you are mad at anyone, be mad at Samsung for starting the whole 120hz thing. Except for 3DTVs, its a fraud. No Non-3D LCD is true 120hz. Panasonic was almost forced to push this on consumers since 95% of them are uneducated. Plasmas have the better picture quality unless you're sitting in a really well-lit room. Dark to mid-lighting is best for a plasma. It doesn't consume 6x the energy. At best its twice. Power consumption is no wear near as much as it used to be.

In short theres no reason not to get a plasma.

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[QUOTE="lewisg1212"][QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]Neither? Every heard of something called Plasma ? ;) Samsung 6000 50" 1080p plasmas are actually rather cheap now, and produce a pretty neat picture. Panasonic: http://www.richersounds.com/product/plasma-tv/panasonic/viera-txp42g20/pana-txp42g20a LG: http://www.richersounds.com/product/tv---all/lg/50pk350/lg-50pk350Mozelleple112
plasmas....not good. really hated how panasonic marketed the whole 600hz thing right below there motion thing so everyone thought it had something to do with motion...where actually it just meant it was pusing more electricity to the gases to give you a brighter picture.....and use 6x the energy. hate plasmas.

Have fun using TVs that have grey looking blacks, mass input lag and inferior contrast ratios, then.

I switched over from a plasma to an LCD and have no regrets since. Plasma is just terrible. Too heavy, too hot, increases the electric bill, has a strange buzzing noise coming from the back of the TV, image retention, image burn in, etc.

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[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"][QUOTE="lewisg1212"] plasmas....not good. really hated how panasonic marketed the whole 600hz thing right below there motion thing so everyone thought it had something to do with motion...where actually it just meant it was pusing more electricity to the gases to give you a brighter picture.....and use 6x the energy. hate plasmas. Adamantium4k2

Have fun using TVs that have grey looking blacks, mass input lag and inferior contrast ratios, then.

I switched over from a plasma to an LCD and have no regrets since. Plasma is just terrible. Too heavy, too hot, increases the electric bill, has a strange buzzing noise coming from the back of the TV, image retention, image burn in, etc.

Must've had a really old plasma. Doesn't change the fact that plasmas are superior to LCDs and LEDs, especially in picture quality.

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I'll second a plasma, better performance for the same price.

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I had New Super Mario Bros on earlier today and carelessly forgot to turn off the Wii. So now, guess what, image burn in! Yay! (The TV is a Hitachi 50" plasma, about 2-3 years old)

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I had New Super Mario Bros on earlier today and carelessly forgot to turn off the Wii. So now, guess what, image burn in! Yay! (The TV is a Hitachi 50" plasma, about 2-3 years old)

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Hitachi is a low-end plasma maker that sucked. They also used a weird resolution for their TV.

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I'll second a plasma, better performance for a lower same price.

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Fixed. Samsung PN50C8000 vs UEC8000...
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#19 sukraj
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You can't go wrong with a plasma tv.

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#20 rastan
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Yes. Plasmas had no need to market 120/240/etc Hz as plasma technology does not need such processing to counter an inherent LCD issue. However, people were going into stores thinking they "needed" such and such Hz so plasmas started advertising 600 Hz to counter this. By the way LED=LCD. It's just LCD with an LED backlight instead of a CFL one. If it is an edge-lit LCD, then it probably has a worse picture than a good standard LCD. If it has localized dimming LED, then it is probably better and that helps LCD's begin to approach the native resolution found in plasmas. For the money, plasma is the best picture for the dollar and if you want the best TV out there, plasma still is the reference standard.
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to me plasmas dont offer much, darker blacks???. they seem more like old crt tvs in hd. get a tv with 240hz and plasma will never cross your mind again.. alot of stores dont even carry plasmas anymore so i wouldnt buy them because if the break on you in 2 or 3 years the parts are gonna cost you alot more because they will have to special order them

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#22 lewisg1212
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thanks for the input everyone, bit of a plasma vs lcd going on. i wasnt talking about 120hz, i was taking about motion plus, the tv creating an image between the first and second image to create a smoother picture, it does work, especially with sport etc. i just dont particularly like plasmas, they are quite chunky too. at the end of the day all the contrast ratio etc etc doesnt really amount too much, just confused over the motion doobree because for gaming etc it does make a difference :) thanks!
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they seem more like old crt tvs in hdmonson21502

Is that supposed to be a bad thing? Seriously...

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If you're going to game alot : plasma.

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#25 rastan
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The tv creating an image between the first and second image to create a smoother picture" is often referred to as the soap opera effect. It makes film look like video. It was often combined with 120/240Hz processing to "smooth out" the lag in LCD's and provide an artificial picture on the show room floor. If that is what you are after, look for LCD and leave such processing on (although game lag can be an issue). If you want a more realistic picture with no lag, get a plasma.
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#26 monson21502
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[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

[QUOTE="monson21502"]

they seem more like old crt tvs in hd

Is that supposed to be a bad thing? Seriously...

not at all, i just dont like them. to much hassle and heavy :P
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#27 rastan
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You're talking of first generation plasmas. Newer plasmas are lighter and there is no hassle. A current gen 50" Panasonic plasma is ~70lbs. A current gen Panasonic 52" LCD is ~65 lbs.
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to me plasmas dont offer much, darker blacks???. they seem more like old crt tvs in hd. get a tv with 240hz and plasma will never cross your mind again.. alot of stores dont even carry plasmas anymore so i wouldnt buy them because if the break on you in 2 or 3 years the parts are gonna cost you alot more because they will have to special order them

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And yet, one of the best TVs ever made is the Sony XBR 960... a CRT, derp ;)
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LED-LCD>LCD>Plasma

A lot of plasma fanboys in here trying to get you to buy OLD technology. If you just a want any ole BIG-ASS TV to game on, then get a Plasma. They're cheap as hell nowadays. You can buy a 50-55 inch 720p Plasma for about $500-$700. If you have more money to spend, then go for a 40+ inch 1080p LED HDTV with 120hz. Deep blacks like a Plasma, with a sharper image than a plasma. Vibrant colors like a plasma, with more realistic colors than a standard lcd, and a brighter image than a plasma. And motion interpolation ("soap opera effect") is also a cool feature in 120-240hz led and lcd hdtv's, but some people don't like it. You have an option to turn it off though.

I also notice that Plasma tv's look dim as hell in retail stores. It's as if they set contrast to 40/100 and brightness to 60/100. I guess a dimmer image helps reduce the chances of getting burn-in and increases the life span. I wonder what would happen if you cranked a plasma's contrast to 100/100 and left it that way for more than 8 hours :lol:

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LED-LCD>LCD>Plasma

A lot of plasma fanboys in here trying to get you to buy OLD technology. If you just a want any ole BIG-ASS TV to game on, then get a Plasma. They're cheap as hell nowadays. You can buy a 50-55 inch 720p Plasma for about $500-$700. If you have more money to spend, then go for a 40+ inch 1080p LED HDTV with 120hz. Deep blacks like a Plasma, with a sharper image than a plasma. Vibrant colors like a plasma, with more realistic colors than a standard lcd, and a brighter image than a plasma. And motion interpolation ("soap opera effect") is also a cool feature in 120-240hz led and lcd hdtv's, but some people don't like it. You have an option to turn it off though.

I also notice that Plasma tv's look dim as hell in retail stores. It's as if they set contrast to 40/100 and brightness to 60/100. I guess a dimmer image helps reduce the chances of getting burn-in and increases the life span. I wonder what would happen if you cranked a plasma's contrast to 100/100 and left it that way for more than 8 hours :lol:

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Oh my, some one with no knowledge at all :lol: Plasmas do perform BETTER than LEDs.


CNET ranks panasonic plasma #1, Samsung plasma #2, LG plasma #4, Samsung plasma #7 and Panasonic plasma #10, LG plasma #11, Panasonic plasma #14, Samsung plasma #15, #17 LG plasma and #19 plasma.

Thats in terms of OVERALL best HDTVs (Best performance, design, features etc)

But... How bout we look at the top5 best performing HDTVs?

In terms of picture quality :

#1 Panasonic VT25 Plasma
#2 Samsung C8000 Plasma
#3 Samsung C7000 Plasma
#4 LG PX950 Plasma
#5 LG PK950 Plasma

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#31 rastan
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LED-LCD>LCD>Plasma

A lot of plasma fanboys in here trying to get you to buy OLD technology. If you just a want any ole BIG-ASS TV to game on, then get a Plasma. They're cheap as hell nowadays. You can buy a 50-55 inch 720p Plasma for about $500-$700. If you have more money to spend, then go for a 40+ inch 1080p LED HDTV with 120hz. Deep blacks like a Plasma, with a sharper image than a plasma. Vibrant colors like a plasma, with more realistic colors than a standard lcd, and a brighter image than a plasma. And motion interpolation ("soap opera effect") is also a cool feature in 120-240hz led and lcd hdtv's, but some people don't like it. You have an option to turn it off though.

I also notice that Plasma tv's look dim as hell in retail stores. It's as if they set contrast to 40/100 and brightness to 60/100. I guess a dimmer image helps reduce the chances of getting burn-in and increases the life span. I wonder what would happen if you cranked a plasma's contrast to 100/100 and left it that way for more than 8 hours :lol:

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Please keep your ignorance to yourself. Do a little research, learn about proper calibration settings, change your TV settings off of torch mode, and then post about how plasmas are the reference standard in terms of PQ.
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#32 ChubbyGuy40
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LED-LCD>LCD>Plasma

Tikeio

Some uneducated person got ripped off by listening to Best Buy salesmen :lol:

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LED-LCD>LCD>Plasma

A lot of plasma fanboys in here trying to get you to buy OLD technology. If you just a want any ole BIG-ASS TV to game on, then get a Plasma. They're cheap as hell nowadays. You can buy a 50-55 inch 720p Plasma for about $500-$700. If you have more money to spend, then go for a 40+ inch 1080p LED HDTV with 120hz. Deep blacks like a Plasma, with a sharper image than a plasma. Vibrant colors like a plasma, with more realistic colors than a standard lcd, and a brighter image than a plasma. And motion interpolation ("soap opera effect") is also a cool feature in 120-240hz led and lcd hdtv's, but some people don't like it. You have an option to turn it off though.

I also notice that Plasma tv's look dim as hell in retail stores. It's as if they set contrast to 40/100 and brightness to 60/100. I guess a dimmer image helps reduce the chances of getting burn-in and increases the life span. I wonder what would happen if you cranked a plasma's contrast to 100/100 and left it that way for more than 8 hours :lol:

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Talk about a fanboyish statement... You need to educate yourself before posting next time.

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just curious....if plasmas are SOOO much better....why are they always half the price? insanely cheap?
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just curious....if plasmas are SOOO much better....why are they always half the price? insanely cheap? lewisg1212
they aint always cheap. last year i was in the market for a good bedroom tv. was looking to spend under 1 k. wanted 1080 p. and alot of the name brand plasmas were about 1000 bucks one panny brand was 1100to 1200. which had the best buyer reviews out of the plasmas. i then seen a sammy lcd with 240hz on sale for 900. it was hard to go the extra 300 bucks for the best plasma. so i bought the sammy 240 hz. and i couldnt be more happy.
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just curious....if plasmas are SOOO much better....why are they always half the price? insanely cheap? lewisg1212
lol... More money doesn't equal better performance.

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[QUOTE="lewisg1212"]just curious....if plasmas are SOOO much better....why are they always half the price? insanely cheap? NVIDIATI

lol... More money doesn't equal better performance.

Less demand = lower price. Heck there was a point where you could've gotten an LG or Samsung 42" 720p for 400 shipped. Then demand started going back up. Could be that people are finally starting to do some kind of research first.

And a Pioneer Kuro isn't cheap. Its f***ing expensive.

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[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

[QUOTE="lewisg1212"]just curious....if plasmas are SOOO much better....why are they always half the price? insanely cheap? ChubbyGuy40

lol... More money doesn't equal better performance.

Less demand = lower price. Heck there was a point where you could've gotten an LG or Samsung 42" 720p for 400 shipped. Then demand started going back up. Could be that people are finally starting to do some kind of research first.

And a Pioneer Kuro isn't cheap. Its f***ing expensive.

True, though last year you could find one for around $3000 which is a fair price, in no way cheap, but compared to the $7000+ launch price.

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#39 rastan
Member since 2003 • 1405 Posts
On the low end, they are cheaper than the equivalent LCD. That's because LCD's require a lot of processing and "fixes" to help them perform well. May of these "extras" are inherently available in plasmas panels. Also plasma as a technology is really suited towards bigger panels whereas LCD is more geared toward smaller panels. So as scale increased, plasma came down in price quicker whereas LCD took a wile to get caught up in price as their technology had to be scaled up to larger panels. All that being said, the more expensive plasmas had a lot of extras added to them to produce very inky blacks, accurate color, low noise, super fast refresh rates, scaling etc. The Kuros cost a premium for the same reason BMW's cost a premium. More research and quality parts to get the most performance out of something costs money. I think plasma sales are definitely on the up-tick and in actuality, while I was at Best Buy a couple of times this holiday season, the salespeople were recommending the plasmas as the best picture available.
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#40 oldskooler79
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True, though last year you could find one for around $3000 which is a fair price, in no way cheap, but compared to the $7000+ launch price.

NVIDIATI

I picked up a 5020FD a couple years ago for $1999 at BB when they were closing them out. Talk about a steal. It's not an Elite, but where on Earth will I find a better panel for 2k?

edit- Just to let ppl know here that last year I owned the Sammy C8000 and Panny VT25 plasmas and they both got returned. 3D was descent, and I'll admit both of those panels were brighter in select scenes than my Kuro. But the contrast on my Kuro was generations ahead of both of them and it made me sick. Just not good viewing in the dark, or otherwise. Still have a ways to go before the Kuro is dethroned and I don't think the VT30 will do it either, but we'll see.

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#41 Lach0121
Member since 2007 • 11815 Posts

So many people defensive in their loyalties... on either side of the board... such perfectly placed passion.. I guess :roll: