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Good for what it does but I'm a Heroes of Newerth fan.
Strengths:
Accessible
Free
Forgiving
Looks amazing (I'm a sucker for the cel-shaded artstyle)
Summoner Skills are a really nice concept
Recall is great
Community is much better
Bad:
Brush
No denying
Barracks respawn making super-creeps lose strength
No side-shops
No runes
Have to unlock heroes
Pool is lackluster when only given a few choices
Building on the other point the selected pool for any given week can be unbalanced just because of what heroes can be picked
No real competitive scene like what Heroes of Newerth has
The game isn't setting out to be a dota clone and that is mostly why I don't like it. Making a game easy to get into is fine but stripping most of what I like about the game for some things that are good or things that are entirely bad is not cool.
Lol, brush is good. There is a shop, you can always recall, There are runes, play some more. Haha you sound like a HoN fan LoL> Dota>HoNGood for what it does but I'm a Heroes of Newerth fan.
Strengths:
Accessible
Free
Forgiving
Looks amazing (I'm a sucker for the cel-shaded artstyle)
Summoner Skills are a really nice concept
Recall is great
Community is much better
Bad:
Brush
No denying
Barracks respawn making super-creeps lose strength
No side-shops
No runes
Have to unlock heroes
Pool is lackluster when only given a few choices
Building on the other point the selected pool for any given week can be unbalanced just because of what heroes can be picked
No real competitive scene like what Heroes of Newerth has
The game isn't setting out to be a dota clone and that is mostly why I don't like it. Making a game easy to get into is fine but stripping most of what I like about the game for some things that are good or things that are entirely bad is not cool.
Whiteblade999
[QUOTE="Whiteblade999"]Lol, brush is good. There is a shop, you can always recall, There are runes, play some more. Haha you sound like a HoN fan LoL> Dota>HoN Nope Dota>LOL>HON.Good for what it does but I'm a Heroes of Newerth fan.
Strengths:
Accessible
Free
Forgiving
Looks amazing (I'm a sucker for the cel-shaded artstyle)
Summoner Skills are a really nice concept
Recall is great
Community is much better
Bad:
Brush
No denying
Barracks respawn making super-creeps lose strength
No side-shops
No runes
Have to unlock heroes
Pool is lackluster when only given a few choices
Building on the other point the selected pool for any given week can be unbalanced just because of what heroes can be picked
No real competitive scene like what Heroes of Newerth has
The game isn't setting out to be a dota clone and that is mostly why I don't like it. Making a game easy to get into is fine but stripping most of what I like about the game for some things that are good or things that are entirely bad is not cool.
Memoryitis
Your bad points are pretty poor, I disagree. Firstly Brushes are good, they add more depth to the game. No side shops just make the game simpler, but I don't think it actually looses anything from not having these in, that said I wouldn't mind if they were in. Pool is lackluster when only given a few choices, I actually like this, you have to earn champions and choose who you want, unlocking is fun, besides this isn't an issue for ranked play as you need 13+ heroes to even play it, meaning you have a decent selection to choose from. As for the competitive scene, it will come soon, it is already starting, by season 2 it will be on par with HoN in terms of what is available for competitive play, and the game doesn't cost money. The only negatives I agree with are the lack of denyingl and no runes. Those are my biggest flaws with the game. I don't see why denying is not present, it is fun.Good for what it does but I'm a Heroes of Newerth fan.
Strengths:
Accessible
Free
Forgiving
Looks amazing (I'm a sucker for the cel-shaded artstyle)
Summoner Skills are a really nice concept
Recall is great
Community is much better
Bad:
Brush
No denying
Barracks respawn making super-creeps lose strength
No side-shops
No runes
Have to unlock heroes
Pool is lackluster when only given a few choices
Building on the other point the selected pool for any given week can be unbalanced just because of what heroes can be picked
No real competitive scene like what Heroes of Newerth has
The game isn't setting out to be a dota clone and that is mostly why I don't like it. Making a game easy to get into is fine but stripping most of what I like about the game for some things that are good or things that are entirely bad is not cool.
Whiteblade999
Are you the same kind of guy who wont play Nintendo games cos they're too "kiddy"? Personally I prefer the style of LoL over HoN. To each his ownI was playing league of legends one day but then I realized I wasn't 12 years old or a girl. So I took off my panties and went to Heroes of Newerth where the real men play.
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You guys should definitely give LoL a try. I mean it is free to play so all you would waste is time. I would like to add that I played DotA back in the day and was never as obsessed with the game as I am with LoL.I play DotA with my friends via Lan. Should I switch to LoL or DotA is way better?
ABRed
Your bad points are pretty poor, I disagree. Firstly Brushes are good, they add more depth to the game. No side shops just make the game simpler, but I don't think it actually looses anything from not having these in, that said I wouldn't mind if they were in. Pool is lackluster when only given a few choices, I actually like this, you have to earn champions and choose who you want, unlocking is fun, besides this isn't an issue for ranked play as you need 13+ heroes to even play it, meaning you have a decent selection to choose from. As for the competitive scene, it will come soon, it is already starting, by season 2 it will be on par with HoN in terms of what is available for competitive play, and the game doesn't cost money. The only negatives I agree with are the lack of denyingl and no runes. Those are my biggest flaws with the game. I don't see why denying is not present, it is fun.wigan_gamer
Having guranteed invisible spots is annoying and just gives a safety net where using the fog of war should be coming into play for juking instead of just giving free invisiblity. The game needs a courier to move items if you don't have a sideshop, running back means you lose XP and gold which is not optimal. I'm against unlockables that give others an advantage, due to the nature of games like this some heroes counter others and maybe someone has a hero unlocked that counters one of the ones in the pool you picked or someone picks an unlocked hero and no counters are in the pool means you got screwed unfairly. The competitive scene is still small and I see it going the TF2 (small) route instead of HoN route(large) without a Tournament mode that unlocks all heroes for a scrim.
The hero argument is invalid, there is no such things as "others have advantages because they have a certain hero" if you;re good at the game you can take on all 5 enemy heroes, towards the end, with any kind of hero, to unlock you just have to play or if you're lazy "pay" (like you do for HoN by default), you have no advantage with a certain hero over others. Most peoeple never even use most of the heroes so another poor argument, people play what they're best at, a few heroes for each type not a few tenths of heroes and unlike HoN that was released competitively after a short beta, LoL just got the first competitive season and tournament after an extremely long beta since, unlike HoN you have lots of new heroes that aren't copy paste from DotA and a lot can go wrong.DanielDust
Sorry to burst your bubble but heroes DO have advantages against each other, it is the reason there is a thing called counterpicks. You are right a lot can go wrong when a hero can take on all 5 unless you fed him nonstop which that isn't a balance concern but the team feeding. I know how the unlock system works and it is a way to force variety instead of giving us the whole pool (I'd rather pay $20 or $30 for the game and get them all right off the bat btw but I refuse to pay for microtransactions and skins) where the heroes will determine the strategy and not what a developer feels like forcing on you that week. HoN has 13 heroes that don't work in competitive and 2 or 3 of those are seeing reworks here soon.
actualy lol has terrible balance imo , those hero tiers are realy stupid idea , trier 1 champion has no chance againts higher tier champions (there is some exceptions tho ) when they made the game so casual they actualy limited the quality :( looking forward to Bloodline Champions , looks like something hardcore and fun !FarkemanActually nope, you're wrong, extremely, you can't tell me that a low tier hero like Warwick (my favorite hero) can't take on any other hero with the right items, on equal grounds without one of them being fed, even top tier like Cho'gath and Malphite (both being my 3rd and 2nd fav), one on one, I won't even talk about Twisted Fate that is so weak and vulnerable (another top tier). If you don't know how to play the heroes Sivir (which according to you should be an extreme hero since she's top tier) can be the weakest character, in short tiers are irrelevant. Heroes have multiple builds, yes there are counterpicks but in almost all cases you can make another build for your hero that gets rid of that disadvantage.
Not being able to afford to make mistakes, heroes dying so fast and easy =/= balance, it just makes HoN hardcore, DotA is where you go for balance, HoN is where you go if you want to be on the endge, to feel hardcore and LoL is where you go if you want a decent fun game.
Actually nope, you're wrong, extremely, you can't tell me that a low tier hero like Warwick (my favorite hero) can't take on any other hero with the right items, on equal grounds without one of them being fed, even top tier like Cho'gath and Malphite (both being my 3rd and 2nd fav), one on one, I won't even talk about Twisted Fate that is so weak and vulnerable (another top tier). If you don't know how to play the heroes Sivir (which according to you should be an extreme hero since she's top tier) can be the weakest character, in short tiers are irrelevant. Heroes have multiple builds, yes there are counterpicks but in almost all cases you can make another build for your hero that gets rid of that disadvantage.[QUOTE="Farkeman"]actualy lol has terrible balance imo , those hero tiers are realy stupid idea , trier 1 champion has no chance againts higher tier champions (there is some exceptions tho ) when they made the game so casual they actualy limited the quality :( looking forward to Bloodline Champions , looks like something hardcore and fun !DanielDust
Not being able to afford to make mistakes, heroes dying so fast and easy =/= balance, it just makes HoN hardcore, DotA is where you go for balance, HoN is where you go if you want to be on the endge, to feel hardcore and LoL is where you go if you want a decent fun game.
Haha you made me laugh. Cho and malph top tier? what? they are middle/low tier. Sivir is also not top tier.... she used to be good with old taric, but now shes a pretty weak carry, of course she isn't useless though, there are just better picks. Also TF top tier? No. He is middle since his rework and his nerfs.Please Log In to post.
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