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#1 mattpunkgd
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I am failing to find any monitors that are LED backlit and 1920x1200. They are all mostly 1080p. I hate the 16:9 ratio. Is there any monitors that are LED and 1920x1200?

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#2 deactivated-5cf4b2c19c4ab
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i know of some Apple Cinema displays fit that res and LED backlit but they are damn expensive
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#3 tequilasunriser
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i know of some Apple Cinema displays fit that res and LED backlit but they are damn expensiveferret-gamer
"Apple expensive" should be a new term for hardware that is outrageously priced compared to the specs. Sort of like how extremely hard video games are called "Nintendo hard."
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#4 mattpunkgd
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i know of some Apple Cinema displays fit that res and LED backlit but they are damn expensiveferret-gamer
Besides that..
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#5 Adam_the_Nerd
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I can't believe you hate 1080p. it's only 110 vertical pixels less!
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#6 mattpunkgd
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I can't believe you hate 1080p. it's only 110 vertical pixels less! Adam_the_Nerd
1920 x 1080 = 2,073,600 1920 x 1200 = 2,304,000 2,304,000 - 2,072,600 = 231,400 Bigger difference than 110 (which is actually 120). Plus for photoshop and even games the 16:9 is less work space / viewable area. With 16:10 you see more on web pages and anything else. I prefer 16:10 over 16:9 by a big amount. 16:9 should stay on tv's and 16:9 should stay on monitors.
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[QUOTE="Adam_the_Nerd"]I can't believe you hate 1080p. it's only 110 vertical pixels less! mattpunkgd
1920 x 1080 = 2,073,600 1920 x 1200 = 2,304,000 2,304,000 - 2,072,600 = 231,400 Bigger difference than 110 (which is actually 120). Plus for photoshop and even games the 16:9 is less work space / viewable area. With 16:10 you see more on web pages and anything else. I prefer 16:10 over 16:9 by a big amount. 16:9 should stay on tv's and 16:9 should stay on monitors.

I'm with you on this. Except, I'm waiting on a 3D, 120Hz 1200p capable monitor with support for DVI and HDMI.
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#8 millerlight89
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I can't believe you hate 1080p. it's only 110 vertical pixels less! Adam_the_Nerd
What is up with people no knowing how to calculate the amount of pixles on this board? It's a simple math problem. L x W = # of pixels.
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[QUOTE="Adam_the_Nerd"]I can't believe you hate 1080p. it's only 110 vertical pixels less! millerlight89
What is up with people no knowing how to calculate the amount of pixles on this board? It's a simple math problem. L x W = # of pixels.

Do you see the word "vertical" in there?

Ya thats just him talking about the height difference and not the area difference.

reading comprehension ftw.

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The reason you don't see many is because not many people want that resolution.. And there's a reason for that.
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#11 tequilasunriser
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The reason you don't see many is because not many people want that resolution.. And there's a reason for that. xsubtownerx
Yeah, the biggest gripe I hear about that resolution is people using their monitors for TV and/or game consoles (in addition to their PCs) and the panel has issues scaling the image properly.
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#12 millerlight89
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[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="Adam_the_Nerd"]I can't believe you hate 1080p. it's only 110 vertical pixels less! GummiRaccoon

What is up with people no knowing how to calculate the amount of pixles on this board? It's a simple math problem. L x W = # of pixels.

Do you see the word "vertical" in there?

Ya thats just him talking about the height difference and not the area difference.

reading comprehension ftw.

Getting pretty tired of you spamming "reading comprehension." I can read, thanks though.
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[QUOTE="Adam_the_Nerd"]I can't believe you hate 1080p. it's only 110 vertical pixels less! millerlight89
What is up with people no knowing how to calculate the amount of pixles on this board? It's a simple math problem. L x W = # of pixels.

Lulz.:P

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#14 GummiRaccoon
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[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="millerlight89"] What is up with people no knowing how to calculate the amount of pixles on this board? It's a simple math problem. L x W = # of pixels. millerlight89

Do you see the word "vertical" in there?

Ya thats just him talking about the height difference and not the area difference.

reading comprehension ftw.

Getting pretty tired of you spamming "reading comprehension." I can read, thanks though.

You can, but are you? No, no you aren't.

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[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

Do you see the word "vertical" in there?

Ya thats just him talking about the height difference and not the area difference.

reading comprehension ftw.

GummiRaccoon

Getting pretty tired of you spamming "reading comprehension." I can read, thanks though.

You can, but are you? No, no you aren't.

You are the one lacking in reading comprehension though. adam_the nerd said vertical pixels, not vertical lines. What adam_the_nerd said is that all he is missing is 110 pixels on a vertical axis. Now if he had said that it is missing 110 vertical lines then he would have been correct, as 1080p is missing 110 lines of vertical pixels.


Reading comprehension. You should learn it before criticizing other people.

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#16 GummiRaccoon
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[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="millerlight89"] Getting pretty tired of you spamming "reading comprehension." I can read, thanks though. ferret-gamer

You can, but are you? No, no you aren't.

You are the one lacking in reading comprehension though. adam_the nerd said vertical pixels, not vertical lines. What adam_the_nerd said is that all he is missing is 110 pixels on a vertical axis. Now if he had said that it is missing 110 vertical lines then he would have been correct, as 1080p is missing 110 lines of vertical pixels.

Reading comprehension. You should learn it before criticizing other people.

You are wrong, sorry.

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[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

You can, but are you? No, no you aren't.

GummiRaccoon

You are the one lacking in reading comprehension though. adam_the nerd said vertical pixels, not vertical lines. What adam_the_nerd said is that all he is missing is 110 pixels on a vertical axis. Now if he had said that it is missing 110 vertical lines then he would have been correct, as 1080p is missing 110 lines of vertical pixels.

Reading comprehension. You should learn it before criticizing other people.

You are wrong, sorry.

Im in awe of your amazing counter argument :roll:

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#18 Azurites
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[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"] You are the one lacking in reading comprehension though. adam_the nerd said vertical pixels, not vertical lines. What adam_the_nerd said is that all he is missing is 110 pixels on a vertical axis. Now if he had said that it is missing 110 vertical lines then he would have been correct, as 1080p is missing 110 lines of vertical pixels.

Reading comprehension. You should learn it before criticizing other people.

ferret-gamer

You are wrong, sorry.

Im in awe of your amazing counter argument :roll:

ignorance and denial is bliss.

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#19 GummiRaccoon
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[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"] You are the one lacking in reading comprehension though. adam_the nerd said vertical pixels, not vertical lines. What adam_the_nerd said is that all he is missing is 110 pixels on a vertical axis. Now if he had said that it is missing 110 vertical lines then he would have been correct, as 1080p is missing 110 lines of vertical pixels.

Reading comprehension. You should learn it before criticizing other people.

ferret-gamer

You are wrong, sorry.

Im in awe of your amazing counter argument :roll:

When he said 120 vertical pixels he was in fact being casual about his use of terms. While his statement was accurate, it is only 120 more vertical pixels, you are unhappy with his precision.


That's like getting mad at people for using the term 'decelerating' which when you really look at what it means, doesn't mean what people use it for. Acceleration means a change in velocity. Deceleration means the opposite of that, so realistically, if someone is decelerating, they are maintaining speed and the proper term someone should use is negatively accelerate "change velocity by way of slowing down"

However people are casual about the terms they use.

So, you are wrong.

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#20 fishing666
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i hate the 16:9 vs 16:10...wish everybody would go for 1 size i'd still prefer 4:3 if it's possible
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#21 GummiRaccoon
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i hate the 16:9 vs 16:10...wish everybody would go for 1 size i'd still prefer 4:3 if it's possiblefishing666

after using all 3 aspect ratios, I like 16:10 the best.

Especially in a multi monitor environment.

I'd be ok with 16:9 if they had options past 1920x1080

When I used to work the projector at a movie theater, we had some 25:9 or something like that crazy wide movies, like LOTR and such, it was pretty awesom for movies, but for desktops you really need height also.

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#22 Iantheone
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[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

You are wrong, sorry.

GummiRaccoon

Im in awe of your amazing counter argument :roll:

When he said 120 vertical pixels he was in fact being casual about his use of terms. While his statement was accurate, it is only 120 more vertical pixels, you are unhappy with his precision.


That's like getting mad at people for using the term 'decelerating' which when you really look at what it means, doesn't mean what people use it for. Acceleration means a change in velocity. Deceleration means the opposite of that, so realistically, if someone is decelerating, they are maintaining speed and the proper term someone should use is negatively accelerate "change velocity by way of slowing down"

However people are casual about the terms they use.

So, you are wrong.

Yeah, I agree with this guy. You all need to lighten up a bit.

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#23 Bangerman15
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i have an asus 1920x1200 monitor, but its not led backlit.. :/ still looks amazing, but contrast ratio is meh
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#24 middle-earth88
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It won't happen. 16:9 is the future. Get used to it :P

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#25 Gambler_3
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Why do you need LED?? This monitor destroys LED in everything as far as image quality is concerned.

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Monitors/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&cs=19&sku=320-8277

The market has a product that suits your needs perfectly, dont get too carried away by marketing terms like "LED LCD". I also like 16:10 and have the 22" version of that dell, I have compared it side by side with a TN panel LED monitor and there is absolutely no comparasion, IPS panel is superior in everyway.

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#26 xsubtownerx
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^ At that price it better damn well destroy "LED"..
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^ At that price it better damn well destroy "LED"..xsubtownerx
Price was never mentioned, the TC seemed like an enthusiast who just cant find what he wants.

It''s still much much cheaper than the apple cinema display which was mentioned and it IS actually worth the price. Also I would like to point out that the apple cinema has 12ms response time which is just not enough for gaming.

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Why do you need LED?? This monitor destroys LED in everything as far as image quality is concerned.

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Monitors/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&cs=19&sku=320-8277

The market has a product that suits your needs perfectly, dont get too carried away by marketing terms like "LED LCD". I also like 16:10 and have the 22" version of that dell, I have compared it side by side with a TN panel LED monitor and there is absolutely no comparasion, IPS panel is superior in everyway.

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In terms of gaming, which is all that matters (in this forum especially) Samsung's XL2370 is a better monitor. The only monitor with better picture quality is the Dell Ultrasharp 27" inch which has a ridiculous 1440p resolution or something... so technically it should go against the 30" monitors that are on a different level with their 2560x1600p displays.
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#29 CellAnimation
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^ At that price it better damn well destroy "LED"..xsubtownerx
I don't know what this preoccupation with LED back lit displays is, facts are that they actually wash out the colours unless you get a RGB LED backlit display, and no cheap monitor has them. If I was buying a monitor today I'd be buying the Dell U2711 (sure they cost a lot, but no more than my Dell 2408WFP when it was released - with monitors you pay more, you get more), TN displays suck!
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#30 Makari
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^ At that price it better damn well destroy "LED"..xsubtownerx
The U2410 is an IPS panel - basically the best for image quality. The Apple Cinema Display is an LED-backlit IPS panel. It's not really all that expensive; just try to find another LED-backlit IPS and it'll likely cost in the same ballpark as the panel. :P
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#31 Gambler_3
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[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

Why do you need LED?? This monitor destroys LED in everything as far as image quality is concerned.

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Monitors/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&cs=19&sku=320-8277

The market has a product that suits your needs perfectly, dont get too carried away by marketing terms like "LED LCD". I also like 16:10 and have the 22" version of that dell, I have compared it side by side with a TN panel LED monitor and there is absolutely no comparasion, IPS panel is superior in everyway.

hd5870corei7

In terms of gaming, which is all that matters (in this forum especially) Samsung's XL2370 is a better monitor. The only monitor with better picture quality is the Dell Ultrasharp 27" inch which has a ridiculous 1440p resolution or something... so technically it should go against the 30" monitors that are on a different level with their 2560x1600p displays.

lmao a TN monitor best for gaming? Have you even tried comparing it with an IPS panel?

Stop trying to justify having spent $300 on a TN monitor, it will never be in the same league as an IPS panel sorry.

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[QUOTE="hd5870corei7"][QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

Why do you need LED?? This monitor destroys LED in everything as far as image quality is concerned.

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Monitors/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&cs=19&sku=320-8277

The market has a product that suits your needs perfectly, dont get too carried away by marketing terms like "LED LCD". I also like 16:10 and have the 22" version of that dell, I have compared it side by side with a TN panel LED monitor and there is absolutely no comparasion, IPS panel is superior in everyway.

Gambler_3

In terms of gaming, which is all that matters (in this forum especially) Samsung's XL2370 is a better monitor. The only monitor with better picture quality is the Dell Ultrasharp 27" inch which has a ridiculous 1440p resolution or something... so technically it should go against the 30" monitors that are on a different level with their 2560x1600p displays.

lmao a TN monitor best for gaming? Have you even tried comparing it with an IPS panel?

Stop trying to justify having spent $300 on a TN monitor, it will never be in the same league as an IPS panel sorry.

Have YOU ever compared the two? Back when I got my TN monitor, IPS had the worst response times (and to my knowledge, still do).
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[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

[QUOTE="hd5870corei7"] In terms of gaming, which is all that matters (in this forum especially) Samsung's XL2370 is a better monitor. The only monitor with better picture quality is the Dell Ultrasharp 27" inch which has a ridiculous 1440p resolution or something... so technically it should go against the 30" monitors that are on a different level with their 2560x1600p displays.ATLReppa770

lmao a TN monitor best for gaming? Have you even tried comparing it with an IPS panel?

Stop trying to justify having spent $300 on a TN monitor, it will never be in the same league as an IPS panel sorry.

Have YOU ever compared the two? Back when I got my TN monitor, IPS had the worst response times (and to my knowledge, still do).

Yes I HAVE!

And that was old times, dell IPS panels have 6ms and there is no ghosting at all. Exactly back when did you get it? The 6ms IPS panel that I have has been in the market for a long time now.

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#34 Makari
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Have YOU ever compared the two? Back when I got my TN monitor, IPS had the worst response times (and to my knowledge, still do).ATLReppa770
Response times are just made up by the manufacturer - there's zero correlation between the monitor's actual performance and the published response time. My Dell 2209WA (H-IPS, iirc) has lower input lag than most TN panels, and has lower response time than some '2ms' TN+overdrive panels when they're actually benchmarked. It's like basing TV purchases off of the manufacturer's stated contrast ratio or something - they're free to say whatever they want there.
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[QUOTE="ATLReppa770"]Have YOU ever compared the two? Back when I got my TN monitor, IPS had the worst response times (and to my knowledge, still do).Makari
Response times are just made up by the manufacturer - there's zero correlation between the monitor's actual performance and the published response time. My Dell 2209WA (H-IPS, iirc) has lower input lag than most TN panels, and has lower response time than some '2ms' TN+overdrive panels when they're actually benchmarked. It's like basing TV purchases off of the manufacturer's stated contrast ratio or something - they're free to say whatever they want there.

This man is right. IPS is by far the best.

I was actually just at best buy not 2 hours ago. I saw the wall of LCD monitors and I decided to guess what each were, there was a visible difference between the LED LCD monitors and regular LCD monitors, however, it wasn't huge like it is with TVs. And niether hold a candle to the IPS I use at my parents house.

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[QUOTE="ATLReppa770"]Have YOU ever compared the two? Back when I got my TN monitor, IPS had the worst response times (and to my knowledge, still do).Makari
Response times are just made up by the manufacturer - there's zero correlation between the monitor's actual performance and the published response time. My Dell 2209WA (H-IPS, iirc) has lower input lag than most TN panels, and has lower response time than some '2ms' TN+overdrive panels when they're actually benchmarked. It's like basing TV purchases off of the manufacturer's stated contrast ratio or something - they're free to say whatever they want there.

Yeah? Try playing Guitar Hero, without changing any input settings. Compare the two (TN vs. IPS), where every millisecond (slightly exaggerated) matters. And @Gambler_3: I've had this monitor for about 2 to 3 years. I stopped looking at IPS panels about 3 to 4 years ago.
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I can't believe you hate 1080p. it's only 110 vertical pixels less! Adam_the_Nerd
I don't know about the OP, but the problem I have with 1920x1080 is simply this: It CANNOT fit a 1600x1200 image due to the lack of vertical lines. 1920x1200 can. I still play a lot of old games whose two highest resolution options are 1280x1024 and 1600x1200. I already have a monitor or two that do 1600x1200 at 95 Hz rather nicely, I might add. Being forced to downgrade to 1280x1024 after spending over $100 on a new monitor is a downgrade more than anything else-especially if the monitor is based on some cheap TN LCD, regardless of whether it has a CCFL or LED backlight. (Right now, the IPS LCDs are the only things I'd ever really consider as alternatives to high-end FD Trinitrons, and even then, I'd still be making tradeoffs.)

It won't happen. 16:9 is the future. Get used to it :P

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Call me when they start making 16:9 monitors that add even more horizontal resolution than sacrificing vertical resolution. The way they handled 16:10 resolutions-adding more columns to the sides of existing resolutions-was perfectly fine by me. But with 16:9, some key idiots in charge of the industry decided it would be a great idea to cut off the vertical lines and charge the same price rather than provide even more horizontal columns like they should have (and did with 16:10), in which case I would've been all for it. We should be getting more as time progresses and technology advances, not less...but consumers fell for it in droves. They were even impressed with HDTV standards that were beginning to approach what resolutions PCs could output (roughly) for at least a decade prior.

Why do you need LED?? This monitor destroys LED in everything as far as image quality is concerned.

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Monitors/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&cs=19&sku=320-8277

The market has a product that suits your needs perfectly, dont get too carried away by marketing terms like "LED LCD". I also like 16:10 and have the 22" version of that dell, I have compared it side by side with a TN panel LED monitor and there is absolutely no comparasion, IPS panel is superior in everyway.

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So the U2410 actually is CCFL-backlit, according to TFTCentral...but LCD panel type is generally far more important than backlighting anyway. CCFL-backlit IPS >>> LED-backlit TN any day. RGBLED-backlit IPS is just gravy, but monitors with that are generally pro-grade monitors for color-critical work and well out of the price range of most people. And for goodness' sake, why does everyone say "LED display" like the actual pixels are made of LEDs? They're not. It's just an old-fashioned liquid-crystal color filter in front of a backlight, except the backlight's different. Of course, conventional LEDs apparently can't be made small enough to comprise pixels by themselves, but OLEDs and QLEDs are. THOSE are proper LED displays if anything, because the LEDs themselves are the pixels-no inherently flawed color filter needed. Too bad that most of them are still constrained to smartphone size.
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Yeah? Try playing Guitar Hero, without changing any input settings. Compare the two (TN vs. IPS), where every millisecond (slightly exaggerated) matters.ATLReppa770
Have you tried it? As someone said dont go by the specs...

And if every millisecond matters go for a CRT which provides much better image quality as well.

And btw NamelessPlayer is the man when it comes to monitors.:P

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Here is a 16:9 IPS with a greater than 1920x1080 resolution.

But I get your point. I think the largest OLED display I saw was like 11" and it cost nearly $4,000.

EDIT: whoops forgot to quote nameless.

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Here is a 16:9 IPS with a greater than 1920x1080 resolution.

But I get your point. I think the largest OLED display I saw was like 11" and it cost nearly $4,000.

EDIT: whoops forgot to quote nameless.

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A PPI of 136533 seems too much for comfortable desktop usage...

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[QUOTE="ATLReppa770"]Yeah? Try playing Guitar Hero, without changing any input settings. Compare the two (TN vs. IPS), where every millisecond (slightly exaggerated) matters. And @Gambler_3: I've had this monitor for about 2 to 3 years. I stopped looking at IPS panels about 3 to 4 years ago.

Yeah. I have. I play expert pro drums on an Ion kit with my own MIDI cymbals with a real foot pedal + practice beater - but I do it on a plasma TV. :P Anyway, BENCHMARK: http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.php?ty=6&ma1=36&mo1=409&p1=3802&ma2=88&mo2=477&p2=4862&ph=12 Note that the IPS panel handily beats that particular 2ms Samsung - and besides that, the IPS panel is generally around 10ms total input lag + response time, less than 1 frame. Or compared to a PVA panel: http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.php?ty=6&ma1=88&mo1=590&p1=6590&ma2=88&mo2=477&p2=4862&ph=12 TLDR there's a hell of a lot more to a monitor's performance than just reading what the sticker says, especially when there is *no* governing body telling them how they have to do it.
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Here is a 16:9 IPS with a greater than 1920x1080 resolution.

But I get your point. I think the largest OLED display I saw was like 11" and it cost nearly $4,000.

EDIT: whoops forgot to quote nameless.

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I've got to admit-that monitor is tempting because it can still fit a 1600x1200 image, and 1920x1200 goes without saying. But then I think about how going 16:10 could get me 2560x1600, in which case I could have two 1200x1600 images side by side in portrait mode and then some. Could actually turn out quite nice for two-page document viewing. Too bad they want a $500 premium on a $1,000 monitor for it (though I'm sure other sellers on the Internet might close the gap a bit).
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well 16:10 is on the way out except for people with big budgets. You can get them but expect a 1920 x 1200 monitor to cost the same as two 1080p monitors with both of them being the same quality. Because 16:9 works better for movies and games more people want 16:9. 16:9 isn't always less viewing space. 22" monitors were mostly 1680 x 1050 but now they are mostly 1920 x 1080 which give significantly more space.
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[QUOTE="Makari"][QUOTE="ATLReppa770"]Yeah? Try playing Guitar Hero, without changing any input settings. Compare the two (TN vs. IPS), where every millisecond (slightly exaggerated) matters. And @Gambler_3: I've had this monitor for about 2 to 3 years. I stopped looking at IPS panels about 3 to 4 years ago.

Yeah. I have. I play expert pro drums on an Ion kit with my own MIDI cymbals with a real foot pedal + practice beater - but I do it on a plasma TV. :P Anyway, BENCHMARK: http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.php?ty=6&ma1=36&mo1=409&p1=3802&ma2=88&mo2=477&p2=4862&ph=12 Note that the IPS panel handily beats that particular 2ms Samsung - and besides that, the IPS panel is generally around 10ms total input lag + response time, less than 1 frame. Or compared to a PVA panel: http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.php?ty=6&ma1=88&mo1=590&p1=6590&ma2=88&mo2=477&p2=4862&ph=12 TLDR there's a hell of a lot more to a monitor's performance than just reading what the sticker says, especially when there is *no* governing body telling them how they have to do it.

I remember reading a few reviews, back when I was looking for a new monitor, 4 years ago or so. And, most of the reviews always complained and pointed out the input lag on the IPS panels. So, maybe things have changed or, they were just lazy reviewers? I don't know, but I don't have any personal experience with IPS panels, only TN and CRT.
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[QUOTE="Makari"][QUOTE="ATLReppa770"]Yeah? Try playing Guitar Hero, without changing any input settings. Compare the two (TN vs. IPS), where every millisecond (slightly exaggerated) matters. And @Gambler_3: I've had this monitor for about 2 to 3 years. I stopped looking at IPS panels about 3 to 4 years ago.ATLReppa770
Yeah. I have. I play expert pro drums on an Ion kit with my own MIDI cymbals with a real foot pedal + practice beater - but I do it on a plasma TV. :P Anyway, BENCHMARK: http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.php?ty=6&ma1=36&mo1=409&p1=3802&ma2=88&mo2=477&p2=4862&ph=12 Note that the IPS panel handily beats that particular 2ms Samsung - and besides that, the IPS panel is generally around 10ms total input lag + response time, less than 1 frame. Or compared to a PVA panel: http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.php?ty=6&ma1=88&mo1=590&p1=6590&ma2=88&mo2=477&p2=4862&ph=12 TLDR there's a hell of a lot more to a monitor's performance than just reading what the sticker says, especially when there is *no* governing body telling them how they have to do it.

I remember reading a few reviews, back when I was looking for a new monitor, 4 years ago or so. And, most of the reviews always complained and pointed out the input lag on the IPS panels. So, maybe things have changed or, they were just lazy reviewers? I don't know, but I don't have any personal experience with IPS panels, only TN and CRT.

seeing IPS first hand next to TN, IPS is far far superior.

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well 16:10 is on the way out except for people with big budgets. You can get them but expect a 1920 x 1200 monitor to cost the same as two 1080p monitors with both of them being the same quality. Because 16:9 works better for movies and games more people want 16:9. 16:9 isn't always less viewing space. 22" monitors were mostly 1680 x 1050 but now they are mostly 1920 x 1080 which give significantly more space. imprezawrx500
And how is that a good thing for gamers? 1080p on a 21.5"(they are NOT 22") is uselessly burdening your graphics card, they should have been 16x9 with 1080p starting from the 23.5" ones...unfortuntely the market is far too deluded about "real HD".

They are better for movies sure but the difference isnt big for games as I dont believe in "the wider the better" as far as gaming is concerned and especially not on small screens.

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[QUOTE="Adam_the_Nerd"] I don't know about the OP, but the problem I have with 1920x1080 is simply this: It CANNOT fit a 1600x1200 image due to the lack of vertical lines. 1920x1200 can. I still play a lot of old games whose two highest resolution options are 1280x1024 and 1600x1200. I already have a monitor or two that do 1600x1200 at 95 Hz rather nicely, I might add. Being forced to downgrade to 1280x1024 after spending over $100 on a new monitor is a downgrade more than anything else-especially if the monitor is based on some cheap TN LCD, regardless of whether it has a CCFL or LED backlight. (Right now, the IPS LCDs are the only things I'd ever really consider as alternatives to high-end FD Trinitrons, and even then, I'd still be making tradeoffs.)NamelessPlayer
I have no trouble in playing most of my old games at 1920x1080 with correct FOV for widescreen. Hell, I even play System Shock 2 in 1920x1080. And if the game does not really support widescreen (Max Payne), I just make a custom 4:3 resolution for it, which is 1440x1080. No problem.

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[QUOTE="ATLReppa770"] I remember reading a few reviews, back when I was looking for a new monitor, 4 years ago or so. And, most of the reviews always complained and pointed out the input lag on the IPS panels. So, maybe things have changed or, they were just lazy reviewers? I don't know, but I don't have any personal experience with IPS panels, only TN and CRT.

Lazy reviewers. Most of them didn't really seem to know what input lag was vs. response time, honestly. And yeah, once you get used to an IPS panel any other kind of monitor just drives you insane. :D I tried - hunted down an S panel 226BW way back when, and ended up returning it for a 20" 2007WFP before trading up to the 2209WA last year or so.
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[QUOTE="ATLReppa770"] I remember reading a few reviews, back when I was looking for a new monitor, 4 years ago or so. And, most of the reviews always complained and pointed out the input lag on the IPS panels. So, maybe things have changed or, they were just lazy reviewers? I don't know, but I don't have any personal experience with IPS panels, only TN and CRT.Makari
Lazy reviewers. Most of them didn't really seem to know what input lag was vs. response time, honestly. And yeah, once you get used to an IPS panel any other kind of monitor just drives you insane. :D I tried - hunted down an S panel 226BW way back when, and ended up returning it for a 20" 2007WFP before trading up to the 2209WA last year or so.

I got the 2209wa a few months back, I am still overwhelmed by the sheer awesomeness of this thing.:D

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[QUOTE="NamelessPlayer"] I remember reading a few reviews, back when I was looking for a new monitor, 4 years ago or so. And, most of the reviews always complained and pointed out the input lag on the IPS panels. So, maybe things have changed or, they were just lazy reviewers? I don't know, but I don't have any personal experience with IPS panels, only TN and CRT.Animatronic64

seeing IPS first hand next to TN, IPS is far far superior.

There's definitely no contest. Know those nasty color shifts you get with a TN panel, especially along the vertical? Not really a problem on IPS (or BOE Hydis AFFS; don't know what the difference there is, but quality-wise, it's similar to IPS). Even for those who just view their monitors head-on perpendicular all the time, those color shifts are bound to crop up near the edges on a larger panel, depending on viewing distance...and in my case, I do own and use a TrackIR on occasion, which inherently requires me to view my monitor from off viewing angles. (Still a bit of purple shift in the blacks, but that's it.) I still haven't seen a proper IPS monitor, but the old HP TC1100 I used to have was equipped with an AFFS panel, and iPads have IPS as standard. Both of those pretty much blow away most of the LCDs I see around me despite the small size. In short, IPS is the very minimum I'd consider for replacing any of my FD Trinitrons, with some of the bigger LCD disadvantages being minimized.
well 16:10 is on the way out except for people with big budgets. You can get them but expect a 1920 x 1200 monitor to cost the same as two 1080p monitors with both of them being the same quality. Because 16:9 works better for movies and games more people want 16:9. 16:9 isn't always less viewing space. 22" monitors were mostly 1680 x 1050 but now they are mostly 1920 x 1080 which give significantly more space. imprezawrx500
I hate the price premium, but such is life. The high-end stuff I want practically never comes cheap. And 16:9 does NOT work better for games to me when it means losing vertical pixels-see my point above about downgrading to 1280x1024 over 1600x1200 in certain older games. Yes, I play old games too as well as new ones. Besides, it's not like I don't have the option to run letterboxed on 16:10 if I want; black borders don't really bother me. (They'd have to not bother me if I'm going to stand using a widescreen monitor to play games with a locked horizontal FOV or even aspect ratio to where they only look proper in 4:3.) For the record, I'm still using a 21" 4:3 monitor. Could go up to 1800x1440, but I generally just use 1600x1200. If anything, it would be embarassing for me to give up vertical pixels just because it's the trend and what everyone apparently wants. Their wants and needs are not mine.