Ok first off I have played wow, gw2, rift, swtor, aion, and now final fantasy. I have played a lot more free ones but I am sure people know these titles. The problem, besides one, doesn't have the pvp that quench my thirst. I am looking for a pvp game that delivers on all sides. I am not looking for an mmo that is in the backseat to pve. I actually hate pve. I will grind out levels if I have to, but then I am off to pvp. So it would be good if I can level through pvp. Also I always play mage. So the mage class doesn't have to be an fotm player, but fun and useful enough to make a difference and not a liability. This is where guild wars 2 fail a little. Most is from there is not real pvp outside of wvwvw and the instanced pvp. But I do love the horizontal gear progression. What do you guys think has the best pvp in an mmo? I am seriously thinking of going back to world of warcraft. But the problem i have is how they stripped the talent trees. I don't even care that they went with pandas and pokemon battles. I just miss av, ab, and good ole fashion world pvp.
If you want PvP so badly, perhaps play an MMO oriented towards PvP like the newer Darkfall. I think arena PvP is garb (why not play a game that isn't balanced in favor of the person who has less of a life?), but Eve Online and Darkfall actually put PvP into an MMO context rather than it trying to present some sort of bullcrap illusion of balanced PvP simply by forcing players to fight in an arena-like environment.
If you want PvP so badly, perhaps play an MMO oriented towards PvP like the newer Darkfall. I think arena PvP is garb (why not play a game that isn't balanced in favor of the person who has less of a life?), but Eve Online and Darkfall actually put PvP into an MMO context rather than it trying to present some sort of bullcrap illusion of balanced PvP simply by forcing players to fight in an arena-like environment.KHAndAnime
You are saying what I have realised with each mmo passing. I don't want the same ole same ole. And no, I will never do eve again. It's good but if you are gonna do a space game make it twitch based. And I want to fly all aspects of my craft. I want to land inside a station. Not just "appear" there. But I will check out darkfall. Is it out? Nvm by the time you answer that I will already know my answer.
Darkfall Unholy Wars is terrible, good luck with that. You can try it if you want to risk losing $40....and to top it off there is a monthly sub.
What you want does not exist, not since Warhammer Online which was the last real mainstream MMO designed primarily for pvp. But you can try Darkfall, there are people who like it, I think they are on drugs but they like it.Â
There hasn't been a good MMO released since World of Warcraft. The very old MMOS such as Meridian 59 and UltimaOnline had decent PVP, where character deaths had some significance (all your gear dropped). And players who player killed received notoriety. There were town and guild wars and sabotages on opposing enemy guilds keeps (by attempting to sneak in undetected). Players acquired reputations (good or bad) depending on their actions in the game. If you were found player killing innocent players you wouldn't exactly have a very good reputation among the rest of the non-player killing player base and you could even be hunted down by other players for a bounty.
What happened in the end was that the casual market disliked the repercussions of real pvp. And so the developers reformed their games from "wild west" esque MMOs into more hand holding/ linear and organized MMOs (Everquest). There's no real PVP MMOs out there anymore, they're mostly all mindless action games with Arena systems where players respawn after thirty seconds and run straight back into combat like brainless idiots.
Then you should stick with Guild Wars 2, it has nearly as good PVP Â for an MMO, go play RTS games like StarCraft 2 or try MOBA games, they have so far best PVP,...
Then you should stick with Guild Wars 2, it has nearly as good PVP Â for an MMO, go play RTS games like StarCraft 2 or try MOBA games, they have so far best PVP,...
I think the problem is that no MMO has PVP as it's main focus. Â MMOs always focus mainly on PVE no matter what they say.
The other problem is when characters have different mechanics it's impossible to have completely balanced classes. Â There will always be a class that is stronger than the others or a combination of classes that make up a stronger team. Â They could make the balance much closer if the focus was mainly on PVP and not PVE. Â But, none of the MMOs that I have played done that.
I've played all the games you listed including dozens more and never have found a good balanced MMO PVP game at any time. Â I also never found a game that the main focus was on PVP.
I'm still waiting for an MMO that would do it. Â Tired of seeing new MMOs come out that have 3-4 battle grounds. Â They can make giant zones that takes hours to run across but, they can't make more than a few battle grounds? Â It doesn't have to have different objectives just different environments. Â It never happens because PVP is always a last minute add-on.
I think the problem is that no MMO has PVP as it's main focus. Â MMOs always focus mainly on PVE no matter what they say.
The other problem is when characters have different mechanics it's impossible to have completely balanced classes. Â There will always be a class that is stronger than the others or a combination of classes that make up a stronger team. Â They could make the balance much closer if the focus was mainly on PVP and not PVE. Â But, none of the MMOs that I have played done that.
I've played all the games you listed including dozens more and never have found a good balanced MMO PVP game at any time. Â I also never found a game that the main focus was on PVP.
I'm still waiting for an MMO that would do it. Â Tired of seeing new MMOs come out that have 3-4 battle grounds. Â They can make giant zones that takes hours to run across but, they can't make more than a few battle grounds? Â It doesn't have to have different objectives just different environments. Â It never happens because PVP is always a last minute add-on.
I think the problem is that no MMO has PVP as it's main focus. Â MMOs always focus mainly on PVE no matter what they say.
The other problem is when characters have different mechanics it's impossible to have completely balanced classes. Â There will always be a class that is stronger than the others or a combination of classes that make up a stronger team. Â They could make the balance much closer if the focus was mainly on PVP and not PVE. Â But, none of the MMOs that I have played done that.
I've played all the games you listed including dozens more and never have found a good balanced MMO PVP game at any time. Â I also never found a game that the main focus was on PVP.
I'm still waiting for an MMO that would do it. Â Tired of seeing new MMOs come out that have 3-4 battle grounds. Â They can make giant zones that takes hours to run across but, they can't make more than a few battle grounds? Â It doesn't have to have different objectives just different environments. Â It never happens because PVP is always a last minute add-on.
JigglyWiggly_
you could always play firefall
FPS MMOs are different. Â I'm talking about WOW type MMOs.
I think the problem is that no MMO has PVP as it's main focus. Â MMOs always focus mainly on PVE no matter what they say.
The other problem is when characters have different mechanics it's impossible to have completely balanced classes. Â There will always be a class that is stronger than the others or a combination of classes that make up a stronger team. Â They could make the balance much closer if the focus was mainly on PVP and not PVE. Â But, none of the MMOs that I have played done that.
I've played all the games you listed including dozens more and never have found a good balanced MMO PVP game at any time. Â I also never found a game that the main focus was on PVP.
I'm still waiting for an MMO that would do it. Â Tired of seeing new MMOs come out that have 3-4 battle grounds. Â They can make giant zones that takes hours to run across but, they can't make more than a few battle grounds? Â It doesn't have to have different objectives just different environments. Â It never happens because PVP is always a last minute add-on.
sleepingzzz
Plenty of MMO's do, they just aren't super popular.
Then you should stick with Guild Wars 2, it has nearly as good PVP Â for an MMO, go play RTS games like StarCraft 2 or try MOBA games, they have so far best PVP,...
JigglyWiggly_
gw2 pvp so bad
tera has sort of aiming as an archer
p fun
It is all a matter of preference and opinion...for example, you thinking Tera has good anything is laughable to most people, much less pvp.
Then you should stick with Guild Wars 2, it has nearly as good PVP Â for an MMO, go play RTS games like StarCraft 2 or try MOBA games, they have so far best PVP,...
vfibsux
gw2 pvp so bad
tera has sort of aiming as an archer
p fun
It is all a matter of preference and opinion...for example, you thinking Tera has good anything is laughable to most people, much less pvp.
indeed tera is also overly complicated. its like a college degree comapred to other mmo's
Its hard to find the super epic PVP you looking for if you didnt find it in GW2 which is an extend of DAOC in short. I dont even know what you looking for anymore. Large scale battles? Battlegrounds? 1v1? 5v5 arena wow style? Open world pvp? What on earth you didnt find in all those games you mentioned? Btw , the only game it interests me right now as of both pve and pvp because it looks and plays awesome is Blade and Soul. Its brings action to a whole new level. As for pve , Wildstar i think will be the next big thing with Lineage Eternal close second.
[QUOTE="AzatiS"]Its hard to find the super epic PVP you looking for if you didnt find it in GW2 which is an extend of DAOC in short. I dont even know what you looking for anymore. Large scale battles? Battlegrounds? 1v1? 5v5 arena wow style? Open world pvp? What on earth you didnt find in all those games you mentioned? Btw , the only game it interests me right now as of both pve and pvp because it looks and plays awesome is Blade and Soul. Its brings action to a whole new level. As for pve , Wildstar i think will be the next big thing with Lineage Eternal close second. Hes looking for a game that doesn't exist. a MMO RPG where instead of stats and time, your "skill" is far more important" ... not really a reality or a DEMAND of the RPG genre and tbh the kids NAGGING for it are irritating me. Tera is a prime example "oh wow its like god of war" ... oh right so its crap.
If you're looking for PvP, sadly most -- if not all -- MMORPG's are lacking in this department. But, if you're asking for help finding a PvP game that's probably obvious to you. I'd recommend trying out one of the MOBA's. Smite, DOTA 2, and League of Legends. They are fun, have 'mage' characters, and require a lot of skill. Great competitive scene as well, if you're into that.
Then you should stick with Guild Wars 2, it has nearly as good PVP Â for an MMO, go play RTS games like StarCraft 2 or try MOBA games, they have so far best PVP,...
vfibsux
gw2 pvp so bad
tera has sort of aiming as an archer
p fun
It is all a matter of preference and opinion...for example, you thinking Tera has good anything is laughable to most people, much less pvp. ya cus noeim
Darkfall is a mostly PVP MMO (with lots of PVE still), where you level up skills as you use them (like Skyrim) It has castle sieges, and you can loot anyone you kill. You have to aim bows/magic , and each click is a sword swing. It's pretty hardcore though.
[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="AzatiS"]Its hard to find the super epic PVP you looking for if you didnt find it in GW2 which is an extend of DAOC in short. I dont even know what you looking for anymore. Large scale battles? Battlegrounds? 1v1? 5v5 arena wow style? Open world pvp? What on earth you didnt find in all those games you mentioned? Btw , the only game it interests me right now as of both pve and pvp because it looks and plays awesome is Blade and Soul. Its brings action to a whole new level. As for pve , Wildstar i think will be the next big thing with Lineage Eternal close second. Hes looking for a game that doesn't exist. a MMO RPG where instead of stats and time, your "skill" is far more important" ... not really a reality or a DEMAND of the RPG genre and tbh the kids NAGGING for it are irritating me. Tera is a prime example "oh wow its like god of war" ... oh right so its crap. First off I am 30 years old. Can i not like what I like but ask the community if there are any? Are you that much of a douche to say people wanting good balance in an mmo to rpg setting? I asked kindly. I didn't call anyone names. I didn't insult anyone. I am looking for an honest answer from someone. I bitch, troll, talk crap, etc in comments. But in my posts I at least expect others to stay kind seeing as my tone never degraded our fellow gamers.
What you want does not yet exist... but thankfully it is in development, and you're going to have to wait about two more years for beta... possibly longer. My advice: forget MMOs until then. MMOs these days either want to be too WoW-like or too niche, and the fun of PvP suffers on both sides of the coin. The game-in-development is being designed by some of the folks who made, arguably. the best PvP in an MMO to date... and that is a winning argument.
What you want does not yet exist... but thankfully it is in development, and you're going to have to wait about two more years for beta... possibly longer. My advice: forget MMOs until then. MMOs these days either want to be too WoW-like or too niche, and the fun of PvP suffers on both sides of the coin. The game-in-development is being designed by some of the folks who made, arguably. the best PvP in an MMO to date... and that is a winning argument.
Thanks. I will watch that one. The thing is. Even for bad balancing. Wow had fun pvp. Whereas guild wars had a flat gear progression. It was great. It's problem is that there is no new maps. I don't like running the same thing over and over. I would gladly go back to guild wars for now if they actually added some new content. I been getting more and more into LoL this weekend. And found my favorite top, bottom toons. I just don't have a mid or carry. Anyways thanks again.
[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="AzatiS"]Its hard to find the super epic PVP you looking for if you didnt find it in GW2 which is an extend of DAOC in short. I dont even know what you looking for anymore. Large scale battles? Battlegrounds? 1v1? 5v5 arena wow style? Open world pvp? What on earth you didnt find in all those games you mentioned? Btw , the only game it interests me right now as of both pve and pvp because it looks and plays awesome is Blade and Soul. Its brings action to a whole new level. As for pve , Wildstar i think will be the next big thing with Lineage Eternal close second.vscott453
Hes looking for a game that doesn't exist. a MMO RPG where instead of stats and time, your "skill" is far more important" ... not really a reality or a DEMAND of the RPG genre and tbh the kids NAGGING for it are irritating me. Tera is a prime example "oh wow its like god of war" ... oh right so its crap. First off I am 30 years old. Can i not like what I like but ask the community if there are any? Are you that much of a douche to say people wanting good balance in an mmo to rpg setting? I asked kindly. I didn't call anyone names. I didn't insult anyone. I am looking for an honest answer from someone. I bitch, troll, talk crap, etc in comments. But in my posts I at least expect others to stay kind seeing as my tone never degraded our fellow gamers. RPG's are about stats and roles. if you take those away its a damn hack n slash. there are already pleanty of those. and balance is boring as a hell, a game completely balanced is a bland experiance because that is the only way to make "balanced" no quirks, no roles, no fun. MMORPG = RPG. its that simple. pleanty of arena games for you to go play.
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DOAC unchained, just like any other current MMO with hotkey combat that will do the same thing the previous one did, even if it was the best PvP in MMOs it wasn't THAT good compared to genres more suited to competitive PvP play. hell it didn't even stand the test of time.
try TERA, its free now and the best mmo i've played... well for me anyways. it will ruin other mmos for you though, there is no targetting required after you play this, tab targetting mmos, button 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, and repeat mmos are pretty much unbearable. but if you can't find a physical copy of the game, you will be in for a massive download, its over 30 gigs installed, so the download might be 15-20gbs so you may wanna skip it unless you have a really fast internet
RPG's are about stats and roles. if you take those away its a damn hack n slash. there are already pleanty of those. and balance is boring as a hell, a game completely balanced is a bland experiance because that is the only way to make "balanced" no quirks, no roles, no fun. MMORPG = RPG. its that simple. pleanty of arena games for you to go play.
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DOAC unchained, just like any other current MMO with hotkey combat that will do the same thing the previous one did, even if it was the best PvP in MMOs it wasn't THAT good compared to genres more suited to competitive PvP play. hell it didn't even stand the test of time.
MBirdy88
It's not about taking away as it is with just making all playstyles viable in their role situation. If I am a mage and you are a rogue. I should have equal to the number of ways I can kill you and you can kill me. Which can be done now. The problem is the failed balance in risk versus rewards, and the disadvantage one may have. I don't think guild wars 2 is bland at all when itself levels the playing field with stats. The problem lies with no company wanting to put out a pure pvp game that can really fix what I am asking. Or even if any game out now will take the time to balance 2 different skills (pve and pvp variants) this can work. I understand that there is now other games out there that aren't mmorpg that does this. And I really been getting more and more into LoL. I actually have all my champs i want to start off with. Anyways, its just depressing as a gamer to love mmorpgs so much but can't make the most of it because of pvp limitations and "we focus more on pve" attitude.
[QUOTE="nicecall"]try TERA, its free now and the best mmo i've played... well for me anyways. it will ruin other mmos for you though, there is no targetting required after you play this, tab targetting mmos, button 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, and repeat mmos are pretty much unbearable. but if you can't find a physical copy of the game, you will be in for a massive download, its over 30 gigs installed, so the download might be 15-20gbs so you may wanna skip it unless you have a really fast internet I would, but I don't think there is a mage class in that game. So I may not.
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