Mass Effect ME2 Origin of the Reapers

Please don't post in this thread if you dislike the game or want to talk about the flaws in the writing. There's a really funny thread you can Google under "If you were Shepard" which will definately make you LOL if you like finding holes in the story.

In ME1, on Vermire, the Sovereign interface tells you that the Reapers have no beginning and are eternal, when you ask who made them (since they are machines after all). Does anyone have a theory on this? Ignoring Mass Effect 2, where you realise not allGeth are bad, I'm thinking theReapers are really like the Geth. Imagine a giant network of hive mindedsemi machines (I say semi since ME2 shows the reapers break organics down and use the minerals from their bodies to form the metal of new reaper bodies). Surely thatnetwork, which seesnew machines created and old ones terminate, would believe that 'time' began with the network's beginning and also that without the network, there is nothing. My theory is some race, notunlike humans, built the reapers to help them establish universal supremacy and the project was definately made of fail.

Thoughts?

I have two additional thoughts which have always peed me off.

1. While the big bang theory is acceptable to me as beginning the universe, what was there before the big bang? Especially as many scientists say that the universe has ALWAYS been there (no time). How tf can their be no time? Imagine time as a piece of string? No matter how long you make that string, it still has to have a beginning and an end. Even if you place that string in a circle shape, it still has to have a join or an original beginning!

2. It is widely believed that the universe goes on forever. How tf can anything go on forever? Imagine the universe as a big sphere... but it's bigger than that since it goes on forever... so imagine it bigger... and bigger... and as big as forever. It's still a darned sphere and as such has an outside edge. So what's outside that? If the blackness ends, is it white? No, it can't be as there has to be light for it to be white, but it can't be black or it would still be part of your sphere (just without stars in it). Grrr.

Is my human sized brain too small or is something really wrong with scientific understanding of the universe and time?

I thing the reapers are actually some form of evolved/mechanised Thorian. They have the exact same attitude towards organic life and have super similar abilities such as mind control, zombie slaves, veeerrrrryyyy long life cycles.

I thing the reapers are actually some form of evolved/mechanised Thorian. They have the exact same attitude towards organic life and have super similar abilities such as mind control, zombie slaves, veeerrrrryyyy long life cycles.

Daytona_178

That's fascinating... thinking back, they really do.

I thing the reapers are actually some form of evolved/mechanised Thorian. They have the exact same attitude towards organic life and have super similar abilities such as mind control, zombie slaves, veeerrrrryyyy long life cycles.

Daytona_178

True, I wonder which came first the reapers or the thorian.

This is definitely something I would like to see answered in the 3rd game, especially if it is to be the last. I would also like to know what the real name of the reapers is. Reapers is the name given to them by Protheans.

Please don't post in this thread if you dislike the game or want to talk about the flaws in the writing. There's a really funny thread you can Google under "If you were Shepard" which will definately make you LOL if you like finding holes in the story.

In ME1, on Vermire, the Sovereign interface tells you that the Reapers have no beginning and are eternal, when you ask who made them (since they are machines after all). Does anyone have a theory on this? Ignoring Mass Effect 2, where you realise not allGeth are bad, I'm thinking theReapers are really like the Geth. Imagine a giant network of hive mindedsemi machines (I say semi since ME2 shows the reapers break organics down and use the minerals from their bodies to form the metal of new reaper bodies). Surely thatnetwork, which seesnew machines created and old ones terminate, would believe that 'time' began with the network's beginning and also that without the network, there is nothing. My theory is some race, notunlike humans, built the reapers to help them establish universal supremacy and the project was definately made of fail.

Thoughts?

I have two additional thoughts which have always peed me off.

1. While the big bang theory is acceptable to me as beginning the universe, what was there before the big bang? Especially as many scientists say that the universe has ALWAYS been there (no time). How tf can their be no time? Imagine time as a piece of string? No matter how long you make that string, it still has to have a beginning and an end. Even if you place that string in a circle shape, it still has to have a join or an original beginning!

2. It is widely believed that the universe goes on forever. How tf can anything go on forever? Imagine the universe as a big sphere... but it's bigger than that since it goes on forever... so imagine it bigger... and bigger... and as big as forever. It's still a darned sphere and as such has an outside edge. So what's outside that? If the blackness ends, is it white? No, it can't be as there has to be light for it to be white, but it can't be black or it would still be part of your sphere (just without stars in it). Grrr.

Is my human sized brain too small or is something really wrong with scientific understanding of the universe and time?

lithocardia

Most scientist are trying to justify no god. Im not trying to be mean - thats just how it is. Many scientists, however, also believe in god and just take the things they discover as signs of god. I know this may not be what you're asking for but I thought Id add it. If you couple the big bang theory and god you see something possible that I myself believe in. In the three major religions theres always a start: "Let there be light" "Be and it was" and...ya...dont know the jewish version. But ya, theres always a start and for me that start is the big bang. It makes sense. Like fingers touching a single point and the universe exploding outward. Of course theres always going to be the typical: "What about what came before god?" But I have no answer for you other than we probably cant comprehend it with you "human brains".

lol anyway, as for ME2, I dont think the Reapers are eternal. They may be similar to the geth but I think the story may be more clever than that. I mean what about the Protheans? Isnt the story slightly similar to the flood of halo or the forerunners? They were all there before everyone else and one returned. Its funny that they use a new slave race every time they attempt to come back. First the geth and then the collectors. I wonder who will be next. Probably another race we havent seen. Anyway. Thats all Ive got.

[QUOTE="Daytona_178"]

I thing the reapers are actually some form of evolved/mechanised Thorian. They have the exact same attitude towards organic life and have super similar abilities such as mind control, zombie slaves, veeerrrrryyyy long life cycles.

flyingsnail

True, I wonder which came first the reapers or the thorian.

This is definitely something I would like to see answered in the 3rd game, especially if it is to be the last. I would also like to know what the real name of the reapers is. Reapers is the name given to them by Protheans.

[QUOTE="Daytona_178"]

I thing the reapers are actually some form of evolved/mechanised Thorian. They have the exact same attitude towards organic life and have super similar abilities such as mind control, zombie slaves, veeerrrrryyyy long life cycles.

psn8214

That's fascinating... thinking back, they really do.

Stop it. The Reapers are just a convenient plot device for a Bioware cliche story. Just like the Darkspawn.GeneralShowzer

My theory is some race, notunlike humans, built the reapers to help them establish universal supremacy and the project was definately made of fail.

lithocardia

Wasn't that one of the plot twists of another recent RPG?

[spoiler] Neverwinter Nights 2, to be precise [/spoiler]

If it's that, I might be a bit disappointed, even though it makes sense in the story.

No, all the reapers look alike, because they all have the same shell.GeneralShowzer

Wasn't that one of the plot twists of another recent RPG?

If it's that, I might be a bit disappointed, even though it makes sense in the story.

Planeforger

[QUOTE="Planeforger"]

Wasn't that one of the plot twists of another recent RPG?

If it's that, I might be a bit disappointed, even though it makes sense in the story.

GeneralShowzer

Please tell me you are joking...Please? Dragon Age > Tolkien?

Geth assimilate things, they are called husks i think.

Please tell me you are joking...Please? Dragon Age > Tolkien?

Geth assimilate things, they are called husks i think.

GeneralShowzer

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]

Please tell me you are joking...Please? Dragon Age > Tolkien?

Geth assimilate things, they are called husks i think.

cybrcatter

concerning the origins, I dont think it is entirely rediculous to think they are simply evolved machines. Hear me out:

Imagine early life. Now imagine a "natural" machine, that came about much the same way a fish or monkey or rabbit or any early life came about. Maybe instead of starting off as single-celled organisms like normal life did, maybe they started out as multi-moleculed inorganic organisms lol

I know it is far fetched, but what if the reapers evolved along the same lines as sentient organics did, only in inorganic fashion?

The fact that they come from what is arguable the outer reaches of the universe leads me to beieve that they were created (though likely not in their current form) shortly after the creation of the universe.

Maybe, in an odd sense of irony, nature created unnatural lifeforms

[QUOTE="cybrcatter"][QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]

Please tell me you are joking...Please? Dragon Age > Tolkien?

Geth assimilate things, they are called husks i think.

Daytona_178