MMOs are destroying PC Gaming

I really can't disagree...there's also a lack of innovation....now there seems to be at least one new mmo everyday..usually Asian and it's like every other Asian mmo out there...And american ones aren't much better...Dark and Light was a hugely hyped game that is so bad there's no trial because the game is amature hour all the way.

but heck i have a friend that's around 45 that played Nexus:Kingdom Of the Winds for 4 years and i thought the game play was Abysmal......I'm strictly talking mmo's though..there are plenty of good games out there.

it's half-true - mmos are a detriment to pc gaming because they literally cut down the field of potential pc gamers - when i played everquest i bought a total of two non-eq games over the 2 and a half years i was playing (i was pretty much the definition of hardcore with it), had i not been playing eq, i would've bought around 10-20 games in that timeframe - the one and only reason i didn't was that i was playing eq

now, sure, not all mmorpg players are hardcore with it, not even most - but it only takes a million people here and a million people there and the gaming market is being reduced significantly - and the mmo market is growing all the time, the number of people not buying non-mmos growing with it...

how many millions of games are not bought every year because people are too busy with their mmos? just as an example, there are nearly as many people playing wows as there are 360s sitting in people's houses - and that console is carrying an entire multi-million market - once mmos hit the consoles, and they will, some interesting things are gonna happen

but the industry has always been changing, despite what many people may think - it's used to changes, some slow and grinding, others quick and painful - and the games keep on coming out, the world keeps on turning

MMOs are hurting pc gaming in a way, but they also help pc gaming - it's money that makes publishers sit up and take notice, and it's publishers that give us games (oh to live in a world where the developer is king), and mmos make a hell of a lot of money - it makes publishers, i would imagine, far more inclinded to consider the general pc games market
A-S_FM

Your theory is a nice one, problem is it doesn't add up. The fact of the matter is pc game sales (boxed units) are actually up 2% over last year. WoW is more popular then ever, so how could this be? Well the fact is people still play other games, as well as MMO's.

"but the industry has always been changing, despite what many people may think - it's used to changes, some slow and grinding, others quick and painful - and the games keep on coming out, the world keeps on turning"

Agree with ya on that one.

Your theory is a nice one, problem is it doesn't add up. The fact of the matter is pc game sales (boxed units) are actually up 2% over last year. WoW is more popular then ever, so how could this be? Well the fact is people still play other games, as well as MMO's.
dnuggs40

factor in that gaming is a major growth industry itself - unless i'm mistaken, there's reasonable growth every year (i am totally guessing here so feel free to prove me wrong, but it makes sense), so when you factor in MMOs, you aren't looking at how much the industry has or hasn't grown, but how much MMOs have affected that growth - without world of warcraft we may have seen a 3% growth last year, without an extremely deep and tedious market analysis, there's really no way to say for sure

but i don't disagree with you much, i don't think the MMO industry is killing or even significantly damaging the general pc gaming industry - but it's certainly left an impression, and as the MMO market increases, so will that impression - but as a percentage of the overall market, it may not even be noticable with simple numbers regarding industry growth

i know MMO players also play non-MMOs, i tried to make it clear that not the majority - not even a lot of mmo players were hardcore enough to abandon general gaming, but you only have to look at the high-end raid guilds across the world (you can bet every penny you own that 3/4 of every one of them is devoted to wow) to know that there will definitely be a lot of them, and even those guys who aren't wholly devoted to wow, when you can play casually and spend 20 hours a week in there, that's already less games you're buying, unless you somehow spend all your time at home gaming

but as i said, i don't particularly disagree with you

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

Your theory is a nice one, problem is it doesn't add up. The fact of the matter is pc game sales (boxed units) are actually up 2% over last year. WoW is more popular then ever, so how could this be? Well the fact is people still play other games, as well as MMO's.
A-S_FM

factor in that gaming is a major growth industry itself - unless i'm mistaken, there's reasonable growth every year (i am totally guessing here so feel free to prove me wrong, but it makes sense), so when you factor in MMOs, you aren't looking at how much the industry has or hasn't grown, but how much MMOs have affected that growth - without world of warcraft we may have seen a 3% growth last year, without an extremely deep and tedious market analysis, there's really no way to say for sure

but i don't disagree with you much, i don't think the MMO industry is killing or even significantly damaging the general pc gaming industry - but it's certainly left an impression, and as the MMO market increases, so will that impression - but as a percentage of the overall market, it may not even be noticable with simple numbers regarding  industry growth

i do play warcraft...but i don't play wow...at least be specific when referring to games..like wow and warcraft are totally different games with 1 of em being an rts and the other being a mmo...(sure we knew what u were talking about but it annoyed me)     =)

btw i was referring to this in the last post

Play Warcraft? Hell, after all the hype i dont want to touch it now, especially after the Burning Crusade release - wandering around as a sub level 10 character with the vast numbers of level 60 peeps running about? And then paying for it!

and yes i do know i can quote i just forgot to

wandering around as a sub level 10 character with the vast numbers of level 60+ peeps running about? And then paying for it! MrSnoobs

Hey all... I am treading on thin ice with this as my first gamespot post but hey ho.

Right, i guess the title says it all. How many developers are putting out abysmal MMOs with no hope of much success?
Play Warcraft? Hell, after all the hype i dont want to touch it now, especially after the Burning Crusade release - wandering around as a sub level 10 character with the vast numbers of level 60+ peeps running about? And then paying for it!

The title was unfairly savage, more of an attention grabber, but don't people think that PC gaming could do with a good injection of extra talent? Every week its a new MMO and the PC seems to only release them. Of course there are the exceptions - when aren't there - such as the upcoming Crysis, Bioshock etc. People always tell me that you had Half-life 2 on the PC. Well thats great cos it is an excellent game and i love it, but that was some time ago. Compared to consoles at least, PC gaming is at the base of a trough at the moment. How long until we get back to the wave peak?

Im trying to put too much in to one post, but please disagree with me! I would love to be convinced otherwise on this.
MrSnoobs

just imagine if developers spent time on games like doom series and others, imagine the great suceesful games there would be that would be so innovative...ixi311downerixi

[QUOTE="ixi311downerixi"]just imagine if developers spent time on games like doom series and others, imagine the great suceesful games there would be that would be so innovative...kpsting

I think MMOs and Strategy games are the most popular types of PC games right now. It seems every other preview has to do with one or the other. I'm not a fan of either so for me that sucks.

Besides, how many Halo rip offs has there been since it first came out? Why doesn't anyone complain about them?ERoBB

While i do agree there are far too many devs releasing far too many MMO's, and most of them sucking(like Vanguard), i wouldn't say it's destroying PC gaming as there have been multiple MMO's for about 10 years now and there have been plenty of excellent games in every genre i enjoy that have been released since then.Yup, even adventure games, that's right.BloodMist

I agree...

There are too many MMO's that take away from other potential games.

Of course 2007 is looking good for SP games...

Crysis

BioShock

STALKER

Two Worlds...etc

Of course I'm biased as I haven't played a MMO since the original Ultima online....where after working and slaving for weeks to get a nifty sword, I was invited into a party...taken out of town and promptly shanked for my sword!

and it hasn't gotten better....bots, farming,cheating...etc.

Gahhh! Not for me...!!!

And besides they all look cartoony!

Competitive MMO require a diferent type of breed of player. Hardcore raiding or RvR, PvE, PvP players take MMO to the next level. If somethign is keeping the PC gen alive is the MMOs.

I really dont like mmorpgs and other online only games, i dont know..., mmorpgs require too many time, and most are just about grinding, thats what i hate, the games that i really like are the singleplayer ones. and in a part mmorpg arent improving pc gaming, something ive noticed is that there are no good rpgs no more, except oblivion and nwn 2, i miss great rpgs like nwn, baldurs gate, fallout, those were real rpgs, tons of dialogue, great combat, epic adventures...astor47

....I go on xfire to some and say "Yo wanna play CS or something", answer "no I'm going on a raid, maybe later". But there never is a later...Platearmor_6

Hey all... I am treading on thin ice with this as my first gamespot post but hey ho.

Right, i guess the title says it all. How many developers are putting out abysmal MMOs with no hope of much success?
Play Warcraft? Hell, after all the hype i dont want to touch it now, especially after the Burning Crusade release - wandering around as a sub level 10 character with the vast numbers of level 60+ peeps running about? And then paying for it!

The title was unfairly savage, more of an attention grabber, but don't people think that PC gaming could do with a good injection of extra talent? Every week its a new MMO and the PC seems to only release them. Of course there are the exceptions - when aren't there - such as the upcoming Crysis, Bioshock etc. People always tell me that you had Half-life 2 on the PC. Well thats great cos it is an excellent game and i love it, but that was some time ago. Compared to consoles at least, PC gaming is at the base of a trough at the moment. How long until we get back to the wave peak?

Im trying to put too much in to one post, but please disagree with me! I would love to be convinced otherwise on this.
MrSnoobs