More and more people seems to be shying away at the Phenom 2 , What gives??

Ok we know 2500k is a fast processor atm and a good bang for the buck but....with the phenom 2 series at it's current price point why aren't we seeing more builds with these? Amazon you can get a 1090t 145 shipped right now and let alone 105 shipped for the 955..

All I'm sayin is most people would not tell the difference between a 2500k and a phenom 2 as long as the video cards are appropriate for the system...

If your on a budget shouldn't Phenom 2 be considered more??

If your not on a budget then who cares.

When you are putting $600+ into something it's well worth it to spent the extra $75-100 to make sure you get the best bang for your buck and the most out of your money. It's going to last a lot longer before needing to be upgraded again.

It is simple really. You are comparing what is basically a Core 2 Quad to a Sandy Bridge, a gap of two generations. I would rather pay $75 more and get a processor that will last a lot longer.

Phenom 2 is an old architecture, and WAY behind Intel. I'm honestly sick of hearing this 'but there's no difference in todays games' "argument". You won't be saying that in 3-5 years, when 2500K is still going strong. C_Rule

in 3 years the 2500k wont be useable 2 for sure 3 no way.. its not the next i7 920

[QUOTE="C_Rule"]Phenom 2 is an old architecture, and WAY behind Intel. I'm honestly sick of hearing this 'but there's no difference in todays games' "argument". You won't be saying that in 3-5 years, when 2500K is still going strong. ionusX

in 3 years the 2500k wont be useable 2 for sure 3 no way.. its not the next i7 920

We can't realistically speculate much further than that the i2500k is a better purchase because it will last longer; it currently outperforms the phenom 2's.

Cheers.

[QUOTE="ionusX"]

[QUOTE="C_Rule"]Phenom 2 is an old architecture, and WAY behind Intel. I'm honestly sick of hearing this 'but there's no difference in todays games' "argument". You won't be saying that in 3-5 years, when 2500K is still going strong. aeatyes

in 3 years the 2500k wont be useable 2 for sure 3 no way.. its not the next i7 920

We can't realistically speculate much further than that the i2500k is a better purchase because it will last longer; it currently outperforms the phenom 2's.

Cheers.

but not everybody can drop $190 on a cpu.. this is a simple reality...

with $200 i could overhaul almost my entire machines misc. parts like the case, hard drive, and DVD-rom and get more memory too XD

unless you're on a seriously low budget thats not flexible then I always recommend the 2500k. Intel vs AMD isn't like Nvidia vs ATI. Intel is like 3 generations ahead of AMD in cpu technology while Nvidia and ATI are pretty much on the same boat. AMD is doing well with their apu's and that is all thanks to their ATI purchase. Without them AMD might as well have declared bankrupty 3 years ago.

Phenom 2 is an old architecture, and WAY behind Intel. I'm honestly sick of hearing this 'but there's no difference in todays games' "argument". You won't be saying that in 3-5 years, when 2500K is still going strong. C_Rule

Tell that to battlefield 3.

The architecture is fine, the corei architecture is the same as the core2 architecture which is an update to the core architecture which is very similar to the pentium 3 architecture.

What exactly about the k10 is "old"?

unless you're on a seriously low budget thats not flexible then I always recommend the 2500k. Intel vs AMD isn't like Nvidia vs ATI. Intel is like 3 generations ahead of AMD in cpu technology while Nvidia and ATI are pretty much on the same boat. AMD is doing well with their apu's and that is all thanks to their ATI purchase. Without them AMD might as well have declared bankrupty 3 years ago.

blaznwiipspman1

I paid $174 for my i5...5 months ago when the 1090 was $200.DevilMightCry

i live in canada..

this should be common knowledge to regular users of this forum..

[QUOTE="C_Rule"]Phenom 2 is an old architecture, and WAY behind Intel. I'm honestly sick of hearing this 'but there's no difference in todays games' "argument". You won't be saying that in 3-5 years, when 2500K is still going strong. NailedGR

Tell that to battlefield 3.

The architecture is fine, the corei architecture is the same as the core2 architecture which is an update to the core architecture which is very similar to the pentium 3 architecture.

What exactly about the k10 is "old"?

There are still good cpu's and for BF3. The hyperthreading on Intel CPU's is causing performance issues

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"]I paid $174 for my i5...5 months ago when the 1090 was $200.ionusX

i live in canada..

this should be common knowledge to regular users of this forum..

[QUOTE="ionusX"]

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"]I paid $174 for my i5...5 months ago when the 1090 was $200.DevilMightCry

i live in canada..

this should be common knowledge to regular users of this forum..

and you should know that it however within 10 bucks of that in the US if thats the currency you use..

[QUOTE="NailedGR"]

[QUOTE="C_Rule"]Phenom 2 is an old architecture, and WAY behind Intel. I'm honestly sick of hearing this 'but there's no difference in todays games' "argument". You won't be saying that in 3-5 years, when 2500K is still going strong. 04dcarraher

Tell that to battlefield 3.

The architecture is fine, the corei architecture is the same as the core2 architecture which is an update to the core architecture which is very similar to the pentium 3 architecture.

What exactly about the k10 is "old"?

There are still good cpu's and for BF3. The hyperthreading on Intel CPU's is causing performance issues

How is it causing performance issues yet the 2600k is 4fps faster than the 2500k? They are literally the same processor, except one has hyperthreading and the other does not.

There was a thread a while back where I defended the Phenom II being vastly inferior to Sandy Bridge. At the end of that thread (which has pretty much died), no evidence was found that clearly put Sandy Bridge ahead of the Phenom II in games. The disparity between the two in high resolutions just wasn't great at all. Not saying that one should not get a Sandy Bridge, that's fine, but just don't go around thinking the Phenom II is far behind in terms of gaming.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

[QUOTE="NailedGR"]

Tell that to battlefield 3.

The architecture is fine, the corei architecture is the same as the core2 architecture which is an update to the core architecture which is very similar to the pentium 3 architecture.

What exactly about the k10 is "old"?

NailedGR

There are still good cpu's and for BF3. The hyperthreading on Intel CPU's is causing performance issues

How is it causing performance issues yet the 2600k is 4fps faster than the 2500k? They are literally the same processor, except one has hyperthreading and the other does not.

Im not really talking about framerate performance , people with BF3's a i7 2600k are getting studdering because of the hyperthreading.

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"][QUOTE="ionusX"]

i live in canada..

this should be common knowledge to regular users of this forum..

ionusX

and you should know that it however within 10 bucks of that in the US if thats the currency you use..

i got a phenom 2 due to budget (this was 18 months or so ago). it wasnt so much the processor price that swung it but the platform price. getting the P2, mobo and DDR3 setup was cheaper than the intel equivelant. not a bad processor at all (just a very noisey cooler when its pushed) but the intels are certainly better. but given the choice between my current setup and an intel setup with a 5770 instead id rather go with the P2 and 5850. mittens is a fancy games console basically so the GPU was more important than the CPU. i have 0 interest in the likes of video editing which demands a more powerful CPU. would i recommend the P2? only on the tightest of budgets and assuming gaming is the priority.osan0

what will you do when the phenom II's are discontinued at the end of december?

[QUOTE="osan0"]i got a phenom 2 due to budget (this was 18 months or so ago). it wasnt so much the processor price that swung it but the platform price. getting the P2, mobo and DDR3 setup was cheaper than the intel equivelant. not a bad processor at all (just a very noisey cooler when its pushed) but the intels are certainly better. but given the choice between my current setup and an intel setup with a 5770 instead id rather go with the P2 and 5850. mittens is a fancy games console basically so the GPU was more important than the CPU. i have 0 interest in the likes of video editing which demands a more powerful CPU. would i recommend the P2? only on the tightest of budgets and assuming gaming is the priority.ionusX

what will you do when the phenom II's are discontinued at the end of december?

im happy with my Phenom II x4 955 OCed to 3.7GHz. it rip thorugh games like nothing. i never had a problem and im sticking with it. now if someone ask me for a budget rig ill give them a P2 x4 ( they are really cheap nowadays) but thats before they are discontinued, after that people will have to pick AM3+ or 2500k and ill tell themt o get a 2500k.

but im sticking with my Ph2 x4 will it cant play anything anymore or it breaks due to OCing it OR ill just give my mobo and my PH2 to my brother and get a 2500k and board.

[QUOTE="ionusX"]

[QUOTE="osan0"]i got a phenom 2 due to budget (this was 18 months or so ago). it wasnt so much the processor price that swung it but the platform price. getting the P2, mobo and DDR3 setup was cheaper than the intel equivelant. not a bad processor at all (just a very noisey cooler when its pushed) but the intels are certainly better. but given the choice between my current setup and an intel setup with a 5770 instead id rather go with the P2 and 5850. mittens is a fancy games console basically so the GPU was more important than the CPU. i have 0 interest in the likes of video editing which demands a more powerful CPU. would i recommend the P2? only on the tightest of budgets and assuming gaming is the priority.osan0

what will you do when the phenom II's are discontinued at the end of december?

no i mean what will you recommend people??

I couldn't be happier with my AMD X6 1100, OC'd to 4ghz it's a champ. Was $180 after MIR, and this was during the time of the recalls on sandy bridge mobos, and I needed a new mobo and cpu right away.

At this time intel just has so much better processors then AMD has.

However I will say the X4 955 overclocked is an amazing bargin and can max out any game I throw at it. For refrence a X4 955 at 4.0Ghz is about equal to a last gen i5 750 at stock clocks. For people who are on a budget and are willing to tinker they still can perform quite well.

i popped a phenom ii in my old ddr2 am2+ board about 18 months ago, cant argue that it was the cheapest way to go. Should last another 2 years or more depending on if I absolutely need to play the high demanding games at launch. I wouldnt be surprised if I dont make it last 4 years clearing out my backlog.

Let's face it... the Phenom II is getting old and other options are far more attractive for the mid-range buyer ($700-900 desktop). Obviously I am talking about the i5-2400 to 2500k. It isn't THAT expensive.

The Phenom II isn't bad but has been relegated to budget builds (previously holding a mid-range ranking).

I rather get a i3 2100. Oh wait, I did!

I rather get a i3 2100. Oh wait, I did!

Mr_BillGates

Probably a mistake in the long run unless you plan on upgrading to a 2500k or better on the same socket down the road.

[QUOTE="Mr_BillGates"]

I rather get a i3 2100. Oh wait, I did!

hartsickdiscipl

Probably a mistake in the long run unless you plan on upgrading to a 2500k or better on the same socket down the road.

[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

unless you're on a seriously low budget thats not flexible then I always recommend the 2500k. Intel vs AMD isn't like Nvidia vs ATI. Intel is like 3 generations ahead of AMD in cpu technology while Nvidia and ATI are pretty much on the same boat. AMD is doing well with their apu's and that is all thanks to their ATI purchase. Without them AMD might as well have declared bankrupty 3 years ago.

04dcarraher

bro you cant keep saying that every single time. Yes they had it a bit rough, but how is it so hard to innovate? AMD is a huge company. Also AMD is 3 gens behind in architecture. It doesn't matter if their cpu has 8 cores, if each core is roughly as powerful as intels old core 2 processors which for intel is 3 gens ago. I am just hoping ARM can give intel some competition when they come out, otherwise we the consumers are pretty much screwed.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

unless you're on a seriously low budget thats not flexible then I always recommend the 2500k. Intel vs AMD isn't like Nvidia vs ATI. Intel is like 3 generations ahead of AMD in cpu technology while Nvidia and ATI are pretty much on the same boat. AMD is doing well with their apu's and that is all thanks to their ATI purchase. Without them AMD might as well have declared bankrupty 3 years ago.

blaznwiipspman1

bro you cant keep saying that every single time. Yes they had it a bit rough, but how is it so hard to innovate? AMD is a huge company. Also AMD is 3 gens behind in architecture. It doesn't matter if their cpu has 8 cores, if each core is roughly as powerful as intels old core 2 processors which for intel is 3 gens ago. I am just hoping ARM can give intel some competition when they come out, otherwise we the consumers are pretty much screwed.

[QUOTE="Mr_BillGates"]

I rather get a i3 2100. Oh wait, I did!

hartsickdiscipl

Probably a mistake in the long run unless you plan on upgrading to a 2500k or better on the same socket down the road.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

[QUOTE="NailedGR"]

Tell that to battlefield 3.

The architecture is fine, the corei architecture is the same as the core2 architecture which is an update to the core architecture which is very similar to the pentium 3 architecture.

What exactly about the k10 is "old"?

There are still good cpu's and for BF3. The hyperthreading on Intel CPU's is causing performance issues

How is it causing performance issues yet the 2600k is 4fps faster than the 2500k? They are literally the same processor, except one has hyperthreading and the other does not.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

There are still good cpu's and for BF3. The hyperthreading on Intel CPU's is causing performance issues

How is it causing performance issues yet the 2600k is 4fps faster than the 2500k? They are literally the same processor, except one has hyperthreading and the other does not.

I was just being technical lol I'm rocking the PH2 955. :)

I was just being technical lol I'm rocking the PH2 955. :)

streetridaz

[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] Intel is not 3 gen's ahead... AMD's bulldozer kick's Intel's but in highly threaded app's, and its not AMD's fault that they were behind since C2D, the problem was that Intel bought all patents on new tech and AMD couldnt use any of it, so they had to modify what they had and go with that. Intel was trying to run AMD into the ground and because of that Intel got sued and fined by multiple business ethnic agencies. 04dcarraher

bro you cant keep saying that every single time. Yes they had it a bit rough, but how is it so hard to innovate? AMD is a huge company. Also AMD is 3 gens behind in architecture. It doesn't matter if their cpu has 8 cores, if each core is roughly as powerful as intels old core 2 processors which for intel is 3 gens ago. I am just hoping ARM can give intel some competition when they come out, otherwise we the consumers are pretty much screwed.

http://contracts.corporate.findlaw.com/operations/ip/802.html

Also, any review you look up will show that Intel's i5 quad core beat AMD's octo-core in most applications. Cherry picking specific benchmarks doesn't mean that AMD isn't severely behind in the CPU department.

That agreement ended the year the C2D came out.. Also again you dont see the whole picture , i5 vs bulldozer on single threaded, apps that only use 2-4 cores of the 8 cores available are not tests to show the true strengths of the bulldozer. you can look at any other benchmark and review that tested highly threaded apps and games that show bulldozer coming out ahead of the i7 2600k .

Its no different comparing a i3 2100 vs a Phenom 2 X4, i3 in most games the i3 beats the Phenom 2 X4 however when you get into apps and games that want 4 cores and 4 threads the Phenom 2 X4 beats the i3 by quite abit.