Movd from GTX275 to GTX 570...is this normal?

I just replaced my GTX275 with the new MSI GeForce GTX 570 Twin Frozr II 1280MB GDDR5

I have the below computer.

33642 Intel Core I7 920 2.66Ghz Box Socket 1366
34321 Asus P6T Deluxe V2 Socket 1366
35380 Scythe Mugen 2 CPU Cooler
34879 Mushkin Essential DDR3 PC3-16000 6GB 3x2GB 9-10-9-24
34010 Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA2 MAESTRO
34154 Cooler Master HAF 932
35218 Corsair HX850 850W Modular
35827 LG GH22NS50 Grabadora DVD SATA 22X Negra OEM
34641 Logitech Cordless Desktop Wave Pro OEM
36200 Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64bits OEM

Nothing (except the 570) is Overcloacked.

I used to get running ·dMark 06 aprox 17271 using my old Asus 275

With the new 570 I just got 19327 ... is that normal? I was expecting a bit more...

Thoughts?

Ehh.. it's 3dmark06. It's an old Directx9 benchmark in which many newer cards don't shine too brightly in comparison to the last couple of generations.

When I had a heavily-OC'd GTX 460 1GB I got a score of 19,272 with my OC'd Phenom II X4 955. That should give you something to compare to. If you overclock your CPU you will see some major gains. Obviously the same can be said of your GPU, but I'd OC that i7 first.

I get 19,502 with my OC'd GTX 560 Ti. Your score seems normal.

The newer games are DirectX 11 and a 570 will really shine with that API, just look at the new CryEngine, oh wait, thats DX9. :roll:

3dmark 11! Advanced copy free with certain cards.

I just replaced my GTX275 with the new MSI GeForce GTX 570 Twin Frozr II 1280MB GDDR5

I have the below computer.

33642 Intel Core I7 920 2.66Ghz Box Socket 1366
34321 Asus P6T Deluxe V2 Socket 1366
35380 Scythe Mugen 2 CPU Cooler
34879 Mushkin Essential DDR3 PC3-16000 6GB 3x2GB 9-10-9-24
34010 Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA2 MAESTRO
34154 Cooler Master HAF 932
35218 Corsair HX850 850W Modular
35827 LG GH22NS50 Grabadora DVD SATA 22X Negra OEM
34641 Logitech Cordless Desktop Wave Pro OEM
36200 Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64bits OEM

Nothing (except the 570) is Overcloacked.

I used to get running ·dMark 06 aprox 17271 using my old Asus 275

With the new 570 I just got 19327 ... is that normal? I was expecting a bit more...

Thoughts?

MotherRussia

3dmark 11! Advanced copy free with certain cards.

Bikouchu35

You get it free with any of the 500 cards (560,570,580). I just bought my evga superclocked gtx 570 and got it myself :D

I just replaced my GTX275 with the new MSI GeForce GTX 570 Twin Frozr II 1280MB GDDR5

I have the below computer.

33642 Intel Core I7 920 2.66Ghz Box Socket 1366
34321 Asus P6T Deluxe V2 Socket 1366
35380 Scythe Mugen 2 CPU Cooler
34879 Mushkin Essential DDR3 PC3-16000 6GB 3x2GB 9-10-9-24
34010 Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA2 MAESTRO
34154 Cooler Master HAF 932
35218 Corsair HX850 850W Modular
35827 LG GH22NS50 Grabadora DVD SATA 22X Negra OEM
34641 Logitech Cordless Desktop Wave Pro OEM
36200 Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64bits OEM

Nothing (except the 570) is Overcloacked.

I used to get running ·dMark 06 aprox 17271 using my old Asus 275

With the new 570 I just got 19327 ... is that normal? I was expecting a bit more...

Thoughts?

MotherRussia

Are you comparing 3DMark06 with 3dMarkVantage?

well, you shouldve expected it, upgrading from a gtx 275 to a 570gtx isn't a huge jump. It is a jump but not a leap or anything.

You will notice a difference but overclock that cpu to atleast 3.0

[QUOTE="Bikouchu35"]

3dmark 11! Advanced copy free with certain cards.

Smoke89

You get it free with any of the 500 cards (560,570,580). I just bought my evga superclocked gtx 570 and got it myself :D

I just replaced my GTX275 with the new MSI GeForce GTX 570 Twin Frozr II 1280MB GDDR5

I have the below computer.

33642 Intel Core I7 920 2.66Ghz Box Socket 1366
34321 Asus P6T Deluxe V2 Socket 1366
35380 Scythe Mugen 2 CPU Cooler
34879 Mushkin Essential DDR3 PC3-16000 6GB 3x2GB 9-10-9-24
34010 Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA2 MAESTRO
34154 Cooler Master HAF 932
35218 Corsair HX850 850W Modular
35827 LG GH22NS50 Grabadora DVD SATA 22X Negra OEM
34641 Logitech Cordless Desktop Wave Pro OEM
36200 Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64bits OEM

Nothing (except the 570) is Overcloacked.

I used to get running ·dMark 06 aprox 17271 using my old Asus 275

With the new 570 I just got 19327 ... is that normal? I was expecting a bit more...

Thoughts?

MotherRussia

Your card is fine dude just OC your CPU. Im scoring about 23K marks with my setup and thats because of my CPU OC. So if you want to reach the 20 thou just OC your I7. :D

3dmark 2006 is old and not a great way to benchmark nowdays plus its way to CPU depended Use 3dmark 2011 instead Even in Futuremark 3dmarks Dev recommends 3dmark 2011 or 3dmark Vantage instead of 06 since 06 with newer hardware is inaccurate adamosmaki

[QUOTE="adamosmaki"]3dmark 2006 is old and not a great way to benchmark nowdays plus its way to CPU depended Use 3dmark 2011 instead Even in Futuremark 3dmarks Dev recommends 3dmark 2011 or 3dmark Vantage instead of 06 since 06 with newer hardware is inaccurate MotherRussia

MotherRussia

http://www.clunk.org.uk/forums/overclocking/22106-core-i7-overclocking-guide-beginners.html

I found that useful when I overclocked my i7 920. I overclocked to 3.2GHz with no need for any additional cooling - the stock cooler works fine for that.

When I pushed on to 3.8 I have currently, I played safe and got a decent cooler.

Both were completely stable, and even if you don't want to get a new cooler, you should be able to perform a slight overclock for "free".

well, you shouldve expected it, upgrading from a gtx 275 to a 570gtx isn't a huge jump. It is a jump but not a leap or anything.

blaznwiipspman1

:lol::lol:

It's a pretty big leap in most games. You're just not going to see that big of an increase in a 5 year-old DX9 benchmark with that CPU at stock speeds. It's a combination of 3dmark06 just not being able to use much more horsepower, and the CPU not being able to supply a GTX 570 with the data it needs to push it a little bit faster.

[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

well, you shouldve expected it, upgrading from a gtx 275 to a 570gtx isn't a huge jump. It is a jump but not a leap or anything.

hartsickdiscipl

:lol::lol:

It's a pretty big leap in most games. You're just not going to see that big of an increase in a 5 year-old DX9 benchmark with that CPU at stock speeds. It's a combination of 3dmark06 just not being able to use much more horsepower, and the CPU not being able to supply a GTX 570 with the data it needs to push it a little bit faster.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

well, you shouldve expected it, upgrading from a gtx 275 to a 570gtx isn't a huge jump. It is a jump but not a leap or anything.

MotherRussia

:lol::lol:

It's a pretty big leap in most games. You're just not going to see that big of an increase in a 5 year-old DX9 benchmark with that CPU at stock speeds. It's a combination of 3dmark06 just not being able to use much more horsepower, and the CPU not being able to supply a GTX 570 with the data it needs to push it a little bit faster.

He's full of it. You would gain more speed than that in many games. I'm not saying that a stock i7 920 is a slouch, because it isn't.. I'm just saying that a GTX 570 can use a little extra push from that CPU.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

well, you shouldve expected it, upgrading from a gtx 275 to a 570gtx isn't a huge jump. It is a jump but not a leap or anything.

MotherRussia

:lol::lol:

It's a pretty big leap in most games. You're just not going to see that big of an increase in a 5 year-old DX9 benchmark with that CPU at stock speeds. It's a combination of 3dmark06 just not being able to use much more horsepower, and the CPU not being able to supply a GTX 570 with the data it needs to push it a little bit faster.

[QUOTE="MotherRussia"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

:lol::lol:

It's a pretty big leap in most games. You're just not going to see that big of an increase in a 5 year-old DX9 benchmark with that CPU at stock speeds. It's a combination of 3dmark06 just not being able to use much more horsepower, and the CPU not being able to supply a GTX 570 with the data it needs to push it a little bit faster.

eBusiness

Since we're on the topic. Would I benefit from OC'ing my CPU over 3.4ghz? GTX 460 Sli. Just curious. I raised this question before and people said that it's not a bottleneck. While some say, it's a "slight" bottleneck and they used that word very loosely I might add. Any advice? Thank you in advance gentlemen.

You may ask, why am I concerned with a GTX 460 sli setup? Well, I just feel like some games aren't up to snuff with what I should be getting in performance. Maybe I'm a little paranoid or OCD, or both. Just wondering. Curious, more like it.

[QUOTE="eBusiness"]

[QUOTE="MotherRussia"] The truth is that I felt a pretty big increase in most games, in Bad company 2, bulletstorm, shogun 2, dead space 2... they run more smooth and the combination of the gtx570 with a 120hz monitor is awesome and I havent tried 3D (not into it). I dont care about benchmarks, I would only overclock my i7 920 if I would get better performance in games. As a guy mentioned above, if I OC the i7 to , for example 3.3 or 3.5, I will only get 3 or 4 more FPS in games? That is nothingElann2008

Since we're on the topic. Would I benefit from OC'ing my CPU over 3.4ghz? GTX 460 Sli. Just curious. I raised this question before and people said that it's not a bottleneck. While some say, it's a "slight" bottleneck and they used that word very loosely I might add. Any advice? Thank you in advance gentlemen.

You may ask, why am I concerned with a GTX 460 sli setup? Well, I just feel like some games aren't up to snuff with what I should be getting in performance. Maybe I'm a little paranoid or OCD, or both. Just wondering. Curious, more like it.

I think you will gain a bit of performance in some games by OC'ing your 965. It won't be a big difference, but I'm sure it will give you a boost in some situations where your CPU may be a very slight bottleneck to a pair of 460's. If you can gain free performance, why not?

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]

[QUOTE="eBusiness"]The gain depend on the game and the settings, in most cases you would either gain nothing, or you would gain something on top of a framerate that is already way higher than what is useful, though there is a few games around where the gain could be useful and not at all negligible. As your processor age into being a low performer an overclock might make a significant difference for a lot of new games, but for now all you miss is max CPU settings in Starcraft II and the like.

hartsickdiscipl

Since we're on the topic. Would I benefit from OC'ing my CPU over 3.4ghz? GTX 460 Sli. Just curious. I raised this question before and people said that it's not a bottleneck. While some say, it's a "slight" bottleneck and they used that word very loosely I might add. Any advice? Thank you in advance gentlemen.

You may ask, why am I concerned with a GTX 460 sli setup? Well, I just feel like some games aren't up to snuff with what I should be getting in performance. Maybe I'm a little paranoid or OCD, or both. Just wondering. Curious, more like it.

I think you will gain a bit of performance in some games by OC'ing your 965. It won't be a big difference, but I'm sure it will give you a boost in some situations where your CPU may be a very slight bottleneck to a pair of 460's. If you can gain free performance, why not?

Well, I never planned to overclock my CPU, ever with this build. I'm using AMD stock cooler and I did some prime95 tests. The temperature went up to 75 degrees. Now I hear that's in the "danger zone?" I just want to know if that's normal. If it's something I should avoid doing for now, and I'll order an aftermarket cooler and OC it later. Thanks in advance.Elann2008

Well, I never planned to overclock my CPU, ever with this build. I'm using AMD stock cooler and I did some prime95 tests. The temperature went up to 75 degrees. Now I hear that's in the "danger zone?" I just want to know if that's normal. If it's something I should avoid doing for now, and I'll order an aftermarket cooler and OC it later. Thanks in advance.Elann2008

Well, I never planned to overclock my CPU, ever with this build. I'm using AMD stock cooler and I did some prime95 tests. The temperature went up to 75 degrees. Now I hear that's in the "danger zone?" I just want to know if that's normal. If it's something I should avoid doing for now, and I'll order an aftermarket cooler and OC it later. Thanks in advance.Elann2008

Yeah.. that's not good at all. The danger threshold for a Phenom II is 62 or 63 degrees C, and unless your temp. sensors are wrong, you were way past that. I would put an aftermarket cooler on that.

Some guys athttp://www.overclock.net/amd-cpus/663718-maximum-safe-phenom-ii-955-965-a.htmlseem not to be too worried, in any case as they also state in that thread your computer should auto shut down before taking damage. I guess you can nodge it up a bit with the stock cooler (3.8 to 4.0 is not unrealistic), but since it is a pretty hungry architecture you'll probably get further with a better cooler.

eBusiness

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]Well, I never planned to overclock my CPU, ever with this build. I'm using AMD stock cooler and I did some prime95 tests. The temperature went up to 75 degrees. Now I hear that's in the "danger zone?" I just want to know if that's normal. If it's something I should avoid doing for now, and I'll order an aftermarket cooler and OC it later. Thanks in advance.mitu123

Update: So it turns out, my CPU has been a bottleneck to my GTX 460 sli. I overclocked my CPU to 3.6 ghz and I noticed about 12-15 fps increase in games like Crysis, Crysis Warhead. In Dragon Age 2, frame rate is higher as well, around 5 fps, but it doesn't dip as low as it use to. When I get my new aftermarket cooler, I'm definitely going to take this CPU up to 3.8- 4.0ghz.

Update: So it turns out, my CPU has been a bottleneck to my GTX 460 sli. I overclocked my CPU to 3.6 ghz and I noticed about 12-15 fps increase in games like Crysis, Crysis Warhead. In Dragon Age 2, frame rate is higher as well, around 5 fps, but it doesn't dip as low as it use to. When I get my new aftermarket cooler, I'm definitely going to take this CPU up to 3.8- 4.0ghz.

Elann2008

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]

Update: So it turns out, my CPU has been a bottleneck to my GTX 460 sli. I overclocked my CPU to 3.6 ghz and I noticed about 12-15 fps increase in games like Crysis, Crysis Warhead. In Dragon Age 2, frame rate is higher as well, around 5 fps, but it doesn't dip as low as it use to. When I get my new aftermarket cooler, I'm definitely going to take this CPU up to 3.8- 4.0ghz.

mitu123

Congrats, so the cpu did bottleneck them after all, if you can get that high then imagine the increase in FPS.

There was a nice little debate going on here http://www.overclock.net/nvidia/953313-stock-phenom-ii-965-gtx-580-a-4.html for a while. It helped me understand it better.

[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="Elann2008"]

Update: So it turns out, my CPU has been a bottleneck to my GTX 460 sli. I overclocked my CPU to 3.6 ghz and I noticed about 12-15 fps increase in games like Crysis, Crysis Warhead. In Dragon Age 2, frame rate is higher as well, around 5 fps, but it doesn't dip as low as it use to. When I get my new aftermarket cooler, I'm definitely going to take this CPU up to 3.8- 4.0ghz.

Elann2008

Congrats, so the cpu did bottleneck them after all, if you can get that high then imagine the increase in FPS.

There was a nice little debate going on here http://www.overclock.net/nvidia/953313-stock-phenom-ii-965-gtx-580-a-4.html for a while. It helped me understand it better.