My idea for the future of PC gaming.

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#1 DrDoomed
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It's really so simple. Is this a sign of the future to come???

Yet, by using my fox-like business cunning, to sniff out microsoft, it has a big flaw.

Look,

People pay upwards of 40 bucks, for new gaming mice, keyboards & peripherals.

More and more of these people, are getting mega large, HdTV's of 40 inches plus and hooking them up to their PC's (maybe alongside a certain console).

Interconnection is the key.

Release multi-format console games on the PC. Make it a big deal. Promote the scheme. Stop other consoles using custom ports, for controllers, and switch to USB. Do you see where i'm headed?

Get ALL the big console gaming companies... Sony, Nintendo, Sega (hooray lol). Get those console only exclusives onto PC. Why? They'll sell more gamesss, you, know they would.

Buy that new controller and plug it in.

Who, wouldn't, follow the trend and jump in to make money? 3rd party producers/publishers don't care eh? *drool*

Not only, does the new world PC gamer get all the goodness, of "the options menu". What? how else can i play FPS games, duh? But you get the goodness of adventure, JRPG, action-adventure, beatem' ups and non fps-shooters, utilising your new controller, the way it was meant to be, ooooooh. *squuaarree*

In the "New World", the PC has Tekken 5, free online. Soul calibur 4 , God of War 3, Shamus, Zelda, Mario, Sonic! (hooray lol).

But wait! How many titles does microsoft have there nose in?

You might not have noticed, but the console is reverse engineering the PC, all Business-like.

The consoles turn into PC's (look under the hood), they get online at a extra cost, you can multiplay and download and whoa! they play dvd's, movies and mp3's??? Plus use other programs such as word processors, apps and utils. And we all remember the dreamcast keyboard fiasco.

But the consoles get all the "good games". :( You know the ones you have to own a console for? Sony is making a mmo-world out of their console. The wii is online and kicking. Why, all know about Live! of course?

THE WORLD is turning into where CONSOLES are the next PC!!!! DELL , Alienware, Hotech etc....

You will be buying your new SONY PC that only plays sony games.

Your new Nintendo Wii-thousand PC (although ninsy is kinda slow - handhelds an all, hmm) with only nintendo games.

Your new MICROSOFT PC....

Well, whatdaya know?

Gone are the days of buying any old PC game. You GOTTA go with Microsoft!... Would the likes of iD , Valve & Rockstar sell out to Microsoft?

Would you like to see, a world, where you have to own, more than one PC, to play games from different producers?

Dell for HL 4. Exclusive!

Sony for GoW 12. Exclusive!

Microsoft for... Halo? *grmbl*

But you can see the market will be segregated.

All games, are designed and made using PC's , probably on windows. The PC, can read a megaton of code and even emulate systems, with the right programming. They might say, nobody would buy a PC soley for gaming. Or, even that the games you want to play on console, you wouldn't want on a PC. Interesting how Microsoft are still selling X-box's...

The future is already here and about to begin, big-time. For your wallet anyway..

*cough*

Look at the PC. Look at it's compatibibility. Look how many people own one. How did microsoft get so rich?

Add a game controller and what do you get?

I know you'd love to play Soul Calibur 4, on your PC, online, whenever you want, or any other console game thats good.

Why isn't Microsoft making their move? Where are the big console suited titles? All we need is a controller! Who runs the industry? Why don't 3rd party publishers help? Why don't they care? Who are they tied to? Why Doesn't the PC market get console games?

Microsoft. Where should i go today?

Nah.

Microsoft. Who should i dominate today?

Thank you.

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So ur basically saying to destroy the consoles?
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#3 DrDoomed
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So ur basically saying to destroy the consoles?gamerchris810

Consoles and THE PC can live together in harmony. Kinda like what Epic and the makers of Shadowrun tried with their multiplayer portions.

PPl will still buy consoles and ppl will still buy PC's. It's the games i want and has a owner of a PC i want all genres available from the big companies. Not just the limitations of the PC gaming market. So yes destroy the consoles but only enough to stop the revolutionary new world order.

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#4 DDX2
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i think i understood what you said, but then my trail of thought just went........

interesting idea, buti doubt all the big companies would go for it.

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Hmmm You're ideas are a a bit erroneous and because you're saying that a console is nearly a PC, which this is very arguable. Maybe because we are talking with diferent enterprises which tend to impose their own format, arquitecture, whatever you want to call it. But first, unifying all the sectors isn't quite profitable. Because now, Microsoft is selling separetely their products for different platforms, and it's so much profitable that what you're saying isn't quite a good option.

Even, other companies will prevent to make that move to any other company to make such huge step that would monopolize many sectors of the population, making it rise as a gigantic corporation with huge benefits among the other ones, only because they have a highly accepted and used arquitecture of services.

Your ideas are only dooming the development of other companies in the benefit of having a good competence and good prices. Instead of having diferent lines of development which would give new things, you're saying that it would be better to unify all the platforms in one, with great interaction between each other, imposing a unique way to communicate between each other, like always has Microsoft do, and other companies should have to adapt to their own system.

Absolutely, NO WAY.

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All these companies are too competative to come to any kind of agreement. Interesting thoughts though.
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#7 SaDiZTiKStyLeZ
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It's all about $$$. Which is more important than loyalty to us. Nor do they have the faith to experiment w/the genres that arent normally on pc, given they were able to market and put out games correctly.

There are alot of games i would play if they were on pc, but they dont care about that.

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#8 DrDoomed
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Hmmm

Mithrandir0x

It's a wider, bigger, picture. But, if you, just consider, that gamers want those console games, on PC, you might find something deeper.

Sony , Nintendo , Microsoft. It's all a conspiricy. Give a PC gamer a controller & he can game for life. 3rd party publishers are only in it for the money. They CAN make more. What's pushing the exact same game out to a wider market gonna do to the sales? Somebody is in control here. All the console game companies want is that cash in hand. The console manufacterers want a total market share in this competitive industry. That's why they want to keep the known 3rd parties under control. If i used this as an example : Company "A" makes games for Sony. Sony needs them to sell console. Sony owns them. They rebel. They leave for the PC. They make money with their game. Other companies under Sony follow suit. What is Sony left with?

A Pc, with a control pad, that plugs into your TV. But no games.

Can't you see it? The industry is already a mess.

You've seen the same game released across all the consoles. Maybe, if your lucky, that game was made by a PC game publishing house, so it'll reach the PC too. Maybe, before console release, maybe afterwards. PC gamers are being played like master chief under a bunch of low flying excuses.

MICROSOFT , the company that owns windows, that has companies make games for windows, that makes BILLIONS selling Windows. Went into the console market, as if, denying that there are millions of PC gamers, out there and sold a cut-down miniture Windows PC, to the same people. It has a control pad ffs! no pc gamer would ever buy one! and it has... wait for it... a ton of games that you won't see on the PC for a long time. Maybe never.

Now Microsoft isn't actually the company i want to have in mind. Lets look back at sony and their not so PC , PC.

Forget it's interior. Forget what they are making. It's just a console.

Now forget about your Microsoft Windows PC. That you only kitted out, with the fanciest, top-of-the range components just to play games.

Forget it, it's not a new breed console, it's just your desktop home PC.

There is a war on my friend and Microsoft intend, to draw it out, to very the end.

Tell me, what is going on here?

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Your ideas are only dooming the development of other companies in the benefit of having a good competence and good prices. Instead of having diferent lines of development which would give new things, you're saying that it would be better to unify all the platforms in one, with great interaction between each other, imposing a unique way to communicate between each other, like always has Microsoft do, and other companies should have to adapt to their own system.

Absolutely, NO WAY.Mithrandir0x

Virtually all cross-platform titles are designed with multi-platform in mind. Developers don't want to have to come up with two completely different versions of the game - they want an easy life, so if they can reuse as much content as possible between two formats they will do. What this means is that multi-platform games are restricted by the weakest platform they are on - you can't design something around fully utilising the PS3 if you also want to release it on 360, PS2 or xbox.

With Microsoft pushing Windows Live to let PC play against 360, and with controllers now using USB, the rival systems are becoming closer and closer.

The biggest hurdle for getting console games onto PC (legally) is breaking the mindset of Sony and Microsoft that we must play the games on their console. They tend to make a loss from the sale of the console and make their money on the software - so why not just cut out the console part all together? The console hardware is essentially a PC anyway, and the controllers are now USB, so why continue to sell a console at a loss?

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The future of PC gaming is towers that have, in addition to PCI and PCI-E slots, console slots. They are going to be releasing Consoles without the outer casings that will merge with your PC. "PC" games with cease to exist and evey PC that has an integrated console will be able to play games.

Ok.... so that is all in my head.....

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The future of PC gaming is towers that have, in addition to PCI and PCI-E slots, console slots. They are going to be releasing Consoles without the outer casings that will merge with your PC. "PC" games with cease to exist and evey PC that has an integrated console will be able to play games.

Ok.... so that is all in my head.....

Johnny_Rock

That's exactly where I think we're headed as well. Traditional PC gaming will essentially be dead.Instead we'll just have the multiplatform-style games all designed to work on the PC with the console attachment. Not something I'm looking forward to but that's what the industry is heading towards.

It's only a matter of time before someone in the position to make the decision says "Hey... why nottake a gutted console and hook it directly into the PC so you get all the hardware of a console system on the PC saving them from having to buy a video card and such? That way developers only have to develop games for certain configurations!" Great idea on paper, horrible idea when you consider the impact on PC gaming.

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#12 DrDoomed
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[QUOTE="Mithrandir0x"] Your ideas are only dooming the development of other companies in the benefit of having a good competence and good prices. Instead of having diferent lines of development which would give new things, you're saying that it would be better to unify all the platforms in one, with great interaction between each other, imposing a unique way to communicate between each other, like always has Microsoft do, and other companies should have to adapt to their own system.

Absolutely, NO WAY.Avenger1324

Virtually all cross-platform titles are designed with multi-platform in mind. Developers don't want to have to come up with two completely different versions of the game - they want an easy life, so if they can reuse as much content as possible between two formats they will do. What this means is that multi-platform games are restricted by the weakest platform they are on - you can't design something around fully utilising the PS3 if you also want to release it on 360, PS2 or xbox.

With Microsoft pushing Windows Live to let PC play against 360, and with controllers now using USB, the rival systems are becoming closer and closer.

The biggest hurdle for getting console games onto PC (legally) is breaking the mindset of Sony and Microsoft that we must play the games on their console. They tend to make a loss from the sale of the console and make their money on the software - so why not just cut out the console part all together? The console hardware is essentially a PC anyway, and the controllers are now USB,

"so why continue to sell a console at a loss?"

I'll tell ya why.

Companies like to think far ahead of their time, to stay successful and profitable , forever. Afterall, thats the goal of a business, never fail.

You would be looking forwards. Not weeks, or months, but 10-20 years. You, will have your own crystal ball into a possible future, or futures, that you want a part of.

Sony is a global technological leader. They want even more, though, thats how your business will stay ahead.

They PC market is the biggest thing to hit the shelves in years. Sony want in. Sony want to kill all competitors.

Sony sell TV's , Dvd players and more. Nobody can crack the PC market. Windows owns it totally.

Sony knows this. But what do Sony want?

They want in, on the biggest market, in history and the only way is through "Home Entertainment" .

Sony want what microsoft is taking. You've seen windows media center advertised and sold.

The world is coming to a juncture. Your living room will be owned. Your TV , Stereo, Dvd player, games system & PC will truely become one. And sit as the focal point of your living room. Yep, one, giant entertainment organism. Imagine the profit on that monopoly.

Sony, want to steal the PC market , thus stealing, the entertainment market share, in your living spaces.


Sony are making a PC. Their own PC. It will contend against the microsoft windows PC. Games are the way in. (PCstation3 is the early start)

Why did Microsoft really want into the console market? To stop Sony. Keep them busy.

If another PC entered the market. (now by PC i also mean operating system because the operating system is the PC).

And that New "PC" was sold at a good price, with better components, operating system design & games made by such a reputable company. Do you think microsoft would worry? Do you think there is any possible way to beat such a powerful a monopoly (windows)?

Do you think i just showed you how?

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#13 psychoman0056
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what you are saying about sony is plausible, however, if microsoft truly viewed them as a threat to their OS monopoly do you really think that they would release a horrible OS like vista. the best way for microsoft to protect their cash cow would be to release quality products that will not piss off a good portion of its user base. and with the way apple is going right now, they are way more of a threat to microsoft than sony is
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#14 Pinkyimp
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no... it will never happen, people are so resistant about interconnectivity with the consols its not even funny, IMO i hate xbox live.. and if i hate it i dont want to see that S#it on my pc, the problem with MS and the pc is that they always try to connect them...we dont wanna be connected i dont wanna pay for online service for games that was one of the many pros of PC gaming also ms need to stop making games multiplatform for instance if somthing comes out for pc such as a game i dont want to see that on the console because pc need games too, EXCLUSIVE games. i want to have the choice to choose somthing i want without haveing restricions of me doing so EX.shadowrun i want to play this game BADLY but hell... i dont want to buy vista just to play it AND pay it for online!

things will change soon very soon, im just waiting until that day everyone finds out that consols do just what there name says.. there SOLE perpose is to CON u out of money.

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#15 Brendonius
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Your ideas are narrow-minded and greatly flawed...

Integration, synchronization and maximization are the key elements of digital multimedia (communication, entertainment and information) technologies. Follow the trends (generally) across multimedia technologies and you will see greater integration of technologies like phones integrating with cameras with Bluetooth and WiFi, or DVD players with HDD and USB. Consider synchronization of various hardware for example; phone with PC, or Pocket PC with Laptop, Car stereos with iPods, PC with CCTV, Fridge with PC etc. And maximization of technologies has hit record leaps in progression over the last 5 years or so.

So, what does that have to do with gaming... everything!

Gaming is becoming more and more a form of multimedia entertainment that requires the progressive integration, synchronisation and maximization of technologies. The integration of consoles, handhelds, PCs, laptops and other technologies will soon become common place as gaming and general day-to-day life are integrated (many business men will have a phone, PSP, iPOD and laptop with them as they travel), also remember that many (believe it or not) 'stay at home mom's play games too; when not shopping online!

Synchronization will also play a major part in gaming as more and more games will want (and need) to interact via multi platforms like Mac with PC with PSP with Console!

Maximization will play a part as gaming technologies are always upgrading and changing like PC graphics cards or console HHDs. So any gaming device will thus require the ability to be maximised in order to remain competitive and in demand.

So with these three things in mind... how on earth do you think that the end of gaming will be founded on 'one game... one device'? Sony needs PC and Microsoft just as much as Microsoft needs Nokia and Phillips in order to reach clients with their multimedia technologies.

Gaming is not just a device and a disk, it is an infrastructure of technologies working simultaneously to achieve an end, the one can not exist without, the other!

Let this not hamper your imagination concerning the future of technology, but may it help you expand your view of it!

I also have the right to be wrong!

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we are seeing more multiplatform games than ever before imo. Publishers can't afford to make games without profits from a few of the platforms. At the same time they don't want to port games to every system or there would be no reason to buy the hardware in the first place. MS are trying to push PC and 360 games together though as they get profits from both systems. At the moment I think all platforms are surviving just fine.
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#17 DrDoomed
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Your ideas are narrow-minded and greatly flawed...


I also have the right to be wrong!

Brendonius

We, are going in the same direction, here, but you might not have noticed it.

All, technology, is going to be joined. But, entertainment is, really, where the money is at.

So yea, Phone to camera, car to ipod etc. But, it will, be controlled by one company. They want it all. Gaming, music and video, is what gets to the most people. Even, a 2 year old, could own a Dvd, but a mobile phone?

Microsoft, could buyout, big companies, without many knowing about it. You could be on a Samsung monitor, Samsung keep the name, but microsoft owns samsung, that sort of thing.

Can you honestly say it wouldn't be clever if Microsoft started selling Tv's? DVD players? without most peoples knowledge?

These guys all want into your home & living spaces. I, think it's, through gaming. Who is Sony? But, I, stand by my thoughts. That you and I, were quite reffering, to the same thing. What, operating system, will run all these technologies? They surely need a powerful user interface with all this integration.

Anyway we'll see where the paper trail leads...

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#18 Brendonius
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I can not agree with you that ALL multimedia, communication, entertainment and information markets will some day be melted together into some giant money pot. Do you think that the guys from Google will sell out to MS or better still, that Apple will some day be owned by MS?

If religion was like the gaming industry, do you ever think Islam and Christianity will be 'owned' by ONE of them? The same applies for gaming!

You have to understand that competition and various brands is what drives the market. Can you name any holistic product or technology that is developed, manufactured, produced, packaged, distributed, marketed and services by just ONE company? Even MS requires the services of thousands of independent clients in order to bring just their OS to the market. For example, the opening start and shut down jingles as well as many of the other sounds are produced in studios NOT owned by MS. Many of the drivers and other secondary required applications are engineered by companies outside the ownership of MS.

The same goes for the music, movie and gaming industry. Game developers even assign areas of development for games to outsourced companies. The saying, "Jack of all trades is the master of none!" rings so true in this debate as does it to the whole 'technological' sphere.

The only thing I totally agree with you on is the fact that all of this is driven by profits and the big players will all try to be bigger, money is what makes the world go round!

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Did someone pass out in the 90's? M$ and others tried to make the PC very console like with standardized stuff like direct X and the Win95 to 98 era. It didn't work.

PC gamers don't want to play console games on their PC...why? Cause if they are already paying thousands for a PC a few hundred for a console is not a big deal.

The only people who want console games on the PC are those who can't afford both platforms. The PC is more than a gaming platform and that's what makes it stand ahead and beyond a console.

The above "ideas" and I use that erm loosely ignore the strengths of the PC in favor of gimped hardware and productivity so as to run stuff like Tekken 5. Why? Fighting games have never been too popular on the PC as a genre...look at the genres that play to the strenghts of the platforms they are on and you will see why divisions exist.

SEGA and Capcom tried numerous times in the 90's to port over their consoel franchises to the PC....from Sonic and VF to Street Fighter and RE...it was always limited success.

PC gaming is great because it's NOT like console gaming...if anything consoles have done more and more to emulate aspects of PC gamign that could work on a console yet still retian their core identity and style. Some genre and games blur the lines but others re-enforce them.

Things are changing but you'll always have genres, games, and hardware that are best suited for the various gaming platforms out there.

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i just read the first post i want to say something.

your thesis should be avoided for future. pc should not be for gaming at all, but sadly it is. so i wont argue about this.

also you miss one of the biggest facts "the cost". to be able to play new games you always need to upgrade your pc. but when you buy a console, you only pay once and use it for 5 years at least. you only pay for games. while console gamers can be happy with gameplay and stories, the "most" ( not all ) of pc gamers are all about graphics. so console gamers dont need to upgrade for new games everytime. they play games for having fun or they buy them for their children.

do you know ps3 is considered expensive ? $600 gaming machine (also its online feature is free). but pc gamers easily pay $400 for a graphics card and thats only 1 hardware that cant work without other parts. console gamers only want to play games, while pc owners think for upgrades too. i saw many people who buy playstation for their children, so they can enjoy. a child wouldnt care those amazing graphics that you can get with a super pc, he/she would only care about his/her enjoyment.

sorry but your thesis is so narrow-minded and the reason is obvious i think

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#21 DrDoomed
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also you miss one of the biggest facts "the cost". to be able to play new games you always need to upgrade your pc. but when you buy a console, you only pay once and use it for 5 years at least. you only pay for games. while console gamers can be happy with gameplay and stories, the "most" ( not all ) of pc gamers are all about graphics. so console gamers dont need to upgrade for new games everytime. they play games for having fun or they buy them for their children.


TheLegendKnight

Let me just say quickly.

A, Pc, is just a more powerful piece of kit. At, the moment, it does more than a console can achieve. A PC should last 4 years without an upgrade atleast. You, could even, build a PC for around the price, of the PS3 and i'm quite sure it could be equivilent in spec. (60gb Hd, mid range Amd chip, decent gcard etc)

The, big difference, apart, from you being able to do more with a PC, therefore, balancing the costs. Is, also, upgrade it yourself, at a, fraction of the price, of a brand new console. If you're smart about your $$$ & components. One, lump sum, for, upgrade on demand futureproofing.

Most people with PC's don't need the best graphics to enjoy a game. Why do you think you can adjust the performance settings in PC games? Top graphics are for enthusiasts, lucky kids and people with money to throw around. Also, over here, the PS3 is £600, but, that coverts to over $1000. So it is expensive and a PC is a good alternative.

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I know a good idea to ensure a good future for PC gaming - let's stop creating first person shooters exclusively for consoles............
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#23 sircyrus
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I know a good idea to ensure a good future for PC gaming - let's stop creating first person shooters exclusively for consoles............ XanderKage
Or better yet, start creating quality RPG's again. Fallout series, Baldur's Gate series, Planescape: Torment.

What do all these games have in common? Well... how about it's nearing 10 years since some of their releases and no games in the past 6 years have even come close to touching their quality and depth.

What's the status of the RPG genre? Either it's free-roam contentless consolized garbage (ie: Oblivion) or MMO.

PC RPG's were an extremely strong genre for a while there, and a major bonus for the PC platform. Many of the PC's greatest games were RPG's. FPS games, while fun, are more arcade-like than these old RPG's and are therefore more suited to console interpretation. Really though, the level of depth we saw in those old RPG's is what PC gaming was about.

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#24 Mithrandir0x
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[QUOTE="TheLegendKnight"]also you miss one of the biggest facts "the cost". to be able to play new games you always need to upgrade your pc. but when you buy a console, you only pay once and use it for 5 years at least. you only pay for games. while console gamers can be happy with gameplay and stories, the "most" ( not all ) of pc gamers are all about graphics. so console gamers dont need to upgrade for new games everytime. they play games for having fun or they buy them for their children.DrDoomed

Let me just say quickly.

A, Pc, is just a more powerful piece of kit. At, the moment, it does more than a console can achieve. A PC should last 4 years without an upgrade atleast. You, could even, build a PC for around the price, of the PS3 and i'm quite sure it could be equivilent in spec. (60gb Hd, mid range Amd chip, decent gcard etc)

The, big difference, apart, from you being able to do more with a PC, therefore, balancing the costs. Is, also, upgrade it yourself, at a, fraction of the price, of a brand new console. If you're smart about your $$$ & components. One, lump sum, for, upgrade on demand futureproofing.

Most people with PC's don't need the best graphics to enjoy a game. Why do you think you can adjust the performance settings in PC games? Top graphics are for enthusiasts, lucky kids and people with money to throw around. Also, over here, the PS3 is £600, but, that coverts to over $1000. So it is expensive and a PC is a good alternative.

Ooh of course, every Single, Dual, Quad Core is almost the same as the 7 SPE + PPE that has the PS3. You have 6 threads of programming (the 7th is used internally by the PS3, for the OS and other things). For humankind's sanity, what the heck are you saying????

Even there are some research teams that want to use some PS3 as clusters for their problems because it's almost a super-computer speaking in terms of computation.

Although I will say it's a failure into designing a super-computer and I cannot deny those mistakes in the arquitecture, such as the problem with the memory bandwith with the GPU, but even though, a PS3 is not possible to be compared with any equipment sold normally in the market (I only accept the Dual Quad Core, but only those ones)

Please, read a little about the SPE before talking about talking things you don't even know.

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#25 sircyrus
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Ooh of course, every Single, Dual, Quad Core is almost the same as the 7 SPE + PPE that has the PS3. You have 6 threads of programming (the 7th is used internally by the PS3, for the OS and other things). For humankind's sanity, what the heck are you saying????

Even there are some research teams that want to use some PS3 as clusters for their problems because it's almost a super-computer speaking in terms of computation.

Although I will say it's a failure into designing a super-computer and I cannot deny those mistakes in the arquitecture, such as the problem with the memory bandwith with the GPU, but even though, a PS3 is not possible to be compared with any equipment sold normally in the market (I only accept the Dual Quad Core, but only those ones)Mithrandir0x

It really doesn't matter if the PS3 was powerful enough to create a holodeck experience. It's capabilities are not being taken advantage of, therefore it's pointless to discuss how powerful it is. Once a game comes out for the PS3 that the PC is incapable of running then you would have a point.

Also, you didn't seem to notice where he mentioned:

"The, big difference, apart,from you being able to do more with a PC, therefore, balancing the costs. Is, also, upgrade it yourself, at a, fraction of the price, of a brand new console. If you're smart about your $$$ & components. One, lump sum, for, upgrade on demand futureproofing."

So we have the PC which is able to be upgraded cheaper than buying a new console, and it can run everything the overpriced console can, and infact is getting a lot of the same games due to multiplatforming. Plus you can use the PC for a wide variety of uses, thus making it a cheaper, superior machine all around.

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#26 DrDoomed
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[QUOTE="DrDoomed"][QUOTE="TheLegendKnight"]also you miss one of the biggest facts "the cost". to be able to play new games you always need to upgrade your pc. but when you buy a console, you only pay once and use it for 5 years at least. you only pay for games. while console gamers can be happy with gameplay and stories, the "most" ( not all ) of pc gamers are all about graphics. so console gamers dont need to upgrade for new games everytime. they play games for having fun or they buy them for their children.Mithrandir0x

Let me just say quickly.

A, Pc, is just a more powerful piece of kit. At, the moment, it does more than a console can achieve. A PC should last 4 years without an upgrade atleast. You, could even, build a PC for around the price, of the PS3 and i'm quite sure it could be equivilent in spec. (60gb Hd, mid range Amd chip, decent gcard etc)

The, big difference, apart, from you being able to do more with a PC, therefore, balancing the costs. Is, also, upgrade it yourself, at a, fraction of the price, of a brand new console. If you're smart about your $$$ & components. One, lump sum, for, upgrade on demand futureproofing.

Most people with PC's don't need the best graphics to enjoy a game. Why do you think you can adjust the performance settings in PC games? Top graphics are for enthusiasts, lucky kids and people with money to throw around. Also, over here, the PS3 is £600, but, that coverts to over $1000. So it is expensive and a PC is a good alternative.

Ooh of course, every Single, Dual, Quad Core is almost the same as the 7 SPE + PPE that has the PS3. You have 6 threads of programming (the 7th is used internally by the PS3, for the OS and other things). For humankind's sanity, what the heck are you saying????

Even there are some research teams that want to use some PS3 as clusters for their problems because it's almost a super-computer speaking in terms of computation.

Although I will say it's a failure into designing a super-computer and I cannot deny those mistakes in the arquitecture, such as the problem with the memory bandwith with the GPU, but even though, a PS3 is not possible to be compared with any equipment sold normally in the market (I only accept the Dual Quad Core, but only those ones)

Please, read a little about the SPE before talking about talking things you don't even know.

Did you consider the available bandwidth of each part within the system?

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#27 BewilderedRonin
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What I've been saying for a long time is that console makers need to get to work on a low footprint gaming only OS. You buy the Playstation 4 OS and install it. When you want to play Gran Turismo 6 or Metal Gear Solid 5, reboot into your Playstation OS and play away.

Personally, I find the notion of making consoles "more PC-like" to be just silly. I don't want my console to be more like computer, I want my computer to be able to play games using a slimlined OS that makes maximized use of my hardware.