NEW GPU: 9800GX2's First Look!!!

I found this in tomshardware.com

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Yep, not to rain on your parade, but the link's been shown a couple of times already :)

But I'm not too impressed, it's essentially just two 8800's in SLI -- 30% increase over the Ultra.

Yep, not to rain on your parade, but the link's been shown a couple of times already :)

But I'm not too impressed, it's essentially just two 8800's in SLI -- 30% increase over the Ultra.

G013M

But when you can get it for less than one ULTRA, it's something.janti_hakouz

It'll be around the same price or a bit more then the Ultra, considering that it's replacing it as the highest end card Nvidia has.

Or at least that's my guess.

The Geforce 9800 GX2 is a let down :( So much for the 9 series *sigh* Looks like my Radeon 3870 Crossifre setup won't be obsolete anytime soon. BTW have you looked at that thing?! It's huge and makes my two 3870's seem small by comparison, and those cards are 9 inches in length!

You need a full size tower just to house this card and I don't think too many people would be willing to upgrade to this thing unless they are okay with buying a completely new case. From my own personal experience most PC gamers game on mid-size towers so this could be a problem. :|

What also gets me is that it'sonly 30% faster then the 8800 Ultra so it's not even worth upgrading to if you already own a 8800 class card.. I was really hoping for a true successor with new architecture, not slapping two 8800 GT's together and calling it a day. I can so see ATI coming back and dominating Nvidia again.

I honestly believe the Radeon 3870x2 is going to overtake the Geforce 9800 GX2 due to it being slightly faster and being cheaper. Remember folks, two 3870's in crossfire outperforms two 8800 GT's in SLI so unless Nvidia can price this card for under $400, it doesn't stand a chance as the 3870x2 is expected to retail between $370-$400.

I'm guessing that if Nvidia aren't planning on releasing the 9800GTX in the near future, they're just going to wait till ATI plays their move.

No point in releasing an entirely new product if they're still on top by a fair margin.

Oh and to the poster above.

It's gotta be two 8800Ultra's in SLI, thanks to the performance margin. So they'll still beat the 3870x2.

The Geforce 9800 GX2 is a let down :( So much for the 9 series *sigh* Looks like my Radeon 3870 Crossifre setup won't be obsolete anytime soon. BTW have you looked at that thing?! It's huge and makes my two 3870's seem small by comparison, and those cards are 9 inches in length!

You need a full size tower just to house this card and I don't think too many people would be willing to upgrade to this thing unless they are okay with buying a completely new case. From my own personal experience most PC gamers game on mid-size towers so this could be a problem. :|

What also gets me is that it'sonly 30% faster then the 8800 Ultra so it's not even worth upgrading to if you already own a 8800 class card.. I was really hoping for a true successor with new architecture, not slapping two 8800 GT's together and calling it a day. I can so see ATI coming back and dominating Nvidia again.

I honestly believe the Radeon 3870x2 is going to overtake the Geforce 9800 GX2 due to it being slightly faster and being cheaper. Remember folks, two 3870's in crossfire outperforms two 8800 GT's in SLI so unless Nvidia can price this card for under $400, it doesn't stand a chance as the 3870x2 is expected to retail between $370-$400.

karasill

I'm guessing that if Nvidia aren't planning on releasing the 9800GTX in the near future, they're just going to wait till ATI plays their move.

No point in releasing an entirely new product if they're still on top by a fair margin.

Oh and to the poster above.

It's gotta be two 8800Ultra's in SLI, thanks to the performance margin. So they'll still beat the 3870x2.

G013M

The 3870x2 is an actual dual core GPU, the first of it's kind really (sactioned by ATI) that is on one PCB board. It's also built on the 55 nm process as opposed to the 9800 GX2 which is using the 65 nm process so it's going to use up more power and produce more heat then the 3870x2.

Like I said, this card won't be worth it unless it's cheaper then the 3870x2. But even then you have other things to consider, like how much space you have in your case :P

So I guess we won't be playing Crysis (fluidly) on High anytime soon.codezer0

[QUOTE="codezer0"]So I guess we won't be playing Crysis (fluidly) on High anytime soon.karasill

[QUOTE="G013M"]

I'm guessing that if Nvidia aren't planning on releasing the 9800GTX in the near future, they're just going to wait till ATI plays their move.

No point in releasing an entirely new product if they're still on top by a fair margin.

Oh and to the poster above.

It's gotta be two 8800Ultra's in SLI, thanks to the performance margin. So they'll still beat the 3870x2.

karasill

The 3870x2 is an actual dual core GPU, the first of it's kind really (sactioned by ATI) that is on one PCB board. It's also built on the 55 nm process as opposed to the 9800 GX2 which is using the 65 nm process so it's going to use up more power and produce more heat then the 3870x2.

Like I said, this card won't be worth it unless it's cheaper then the 3870x2. But even then you have other things to consider, like how much space you have in your case :P

It can't be two GT's if it's 30% faster then the Ultra.

But that being said, (and this is on my own assumptions) I can't see the 3870x2 being faster then the 9800GX2. You're still going to get the same crossfire limitations on performance (which admittedly aren't as bad as SLI).

Although you are right about it consuming less power and pushing out less heat.

I agree it is a small upgrade from the ultra .it should be called 8800gtxultra x, but still i guess 8800 is so powerfull ( to date ) that there is so much you can offer as it is still not bottlenecked by any game . 9800 could have been better or offer more , but it is what it is. since i only buy X800 7800 8800 - now 9800 i will buy first one from shelf. cant wait

[QUOTE="karasill"][QUOTE="G013M"]

I'm guessing that if Nvidia aren't planning on releasing the 9800GTX in the near future, they're just going to wait till ATI plays their move.

No point in releasing an entirely new product if they're still on top by a fair margin.

Oh and to the poster above.

It's gotta be two 8800Ultra's in SLI, thanks to the performance margin. So they'll still beat the 3870x2.

G013M

The 3870x2 is an actual dual core GPU, the first of it's kind really (sactioned by ATI) that is on one PCB board. It's also built on the 55 nm process as opposed to the 9800 GX2 which is using the 65 nm process so it's going to use up more power and produce more heat then the 3870x2.

Like I said, this card won't be worth it unless it's cheaper then the 3870x2. But even then you have other things to consider, like how much space you have in your case :P

It can't be two GT's if it's 30% faster then the Ultra.

But that being said, (and this is on my own assumptions) I can't see the 3870x2 being faster then the 9800GX2. You're still going to get the same crossfire limitations on performance (which admittedly aren't as bad as SLI).

Although you are right about it consuming less power and pushing out less heat.

That said the 9800 GX2 needs to be in the same price range as the 3870x2 to be a viable option or it's just going to flop hard. Even if they cost the same, most people would probably have a hard time fitting the 9800 Gx2 into their case. The 3870x2 isn't much longer then a standard 3870 so a lot of people would probably opt for the ATI card at that point. (speculation but it's realistic)

So I guess we won't be playing Crysis (fluidly) on High anytime soon.codezer0

[QUOTE="codezer0"]So I guess we won't be playing Crysis (fluidly) on High anytime soon.chester706

Yeah but on what resolution?

[QUOTE="chester706"][QUOTE="codezer0"]So I guess we won't be playing Crysis (fluidly) on High anytime soon.The_Fell_One

Yeah but on what resolution?

[QUOTE="The_Fell_One"]

[QUOTE="chester706"][QUOTE="codezer0"]So I guess we won't be playing Crysis (fluidly) on High anytime soon.chester706

Yeah but on what resolution?

i have a 3870 and play it on high @ 1680x1050

[QUOTE="chester706"][QUOTE="The_Fell_One"]

[QUOTE="chester706"][QUOTE="codezer0"]So I guess we won't be playing Crysis (fluidly) on High anytime soon.inyourface_12

Yeah but on what resolution?

i have a 3870 and play it on high @ 1680x1050

[QUOTE="inyourface_12"][QUOTE="chester706"][QUOTE="The_Fell_One"]

[QUOTE="chester706"][QUOTE="codezer0"]So I guess we won't be playing Crysis (fluidly) on High anytime soon.chester706

Yeah but on what resolution?

i have a 3870 and play it on high @ 1680x1050

thats weird. thats not even the right ratio for your monitor

[QUOTE="chester706"][QUOTE="inyourface_12"][QUOTE="chester706"][QUOTE="The_Fell_One"]

[QUOTE="chester706"][QUOTE="codezer0"]So I guess we won't be playing Crysis (fluidly) on High anytime soon.inyourface_12

Yeah but on what resolution?

i have a 3870 and play it on high @ 1680x1050

thats weird. thats not even the right ratio for your monitor

Well if the 9800 GX2 is infact just two 8800 GT's slapped together then you better believe that the 3870x2 is going to be a tadfaster. There was a benchmark that I looked over about a week or two ago and two 3870's in crossfire actually ran Crysis 7-9 frames a second faster then one 8800 Ultra so it's going to be close between these two new cards. But I'm going to give the edge to the 3870x2 because of the SLI and Crossfire benchies I've seen between the 8800 GT and 3870.

That said the 9800 GX2 needs to be in the same price range as the 3870x2 to be a viable option or it's just going to flop hard. Even if they cost the same, most people would probably have a hard time fitting the 9800 Gx2 into their case. The 3870x2 isn't much longer then a standard 3870 so a lot of people would probably opt for the ATI card at that point. (speculation but it's realistic)

karasill

I don't think you understand what I am saying.

The 9800GX2 is supposed to be 30% faster then one Ultra. Two Ultra's in SLI will beat the 3870x2 EVERY TIME. Sure one Ultra might be beaten by two 3870's in crossfire -- but two Ultra's will beat the 3870's in crossfire.

It can't be two GT's put together if it is 30% faster then the Ultra. SLI has around an increase rate of 30%, and the 9800GX2 is 30% faster then the Ultra. Therefore you would think that the 9800GX2 would HAVE to be two 8800 Ultras put togther in SLI and stuck on the same card.

I don't think you understand what I am saying.

The 9800GX2 is supposed to be 30% faster then one Ultra. Two Ultra's in SLI will beat the 3870x2 EVERY TIME. Sure one Ultra might be beaten by two 3870's in crossfire -- but two Ultra's will beat the 3870's in crossfire.

It can't be two GT's put together if it is 30% faster then the Ultra. SLI has around an increase rate of 30%, and the 9800GX2 is 30% faster then the Ultra. Therefore you would think that the 9800GX2 would HAVE to be two 8800 Ultras put togther in SLI and stuck on the same card.G013M

It is NOT Ultras in SLI though...
It is either two G92GTs or G92GTS.
I would also have to doubt them being G92GTS, since those cards use 130-140w easily.

[QUOTE="G013M"]I don't think you understand what I am saying.

The 9800GX2 is supposed to be 30% faster then one Ultra. Two Ultra's in SLI will beat the 3870x2 EVERY TIME. Sure one Ultra might be beaten by two 3870's in crossfire -- but two Ultra's will beat the 3870's in crossfire.

It can't be two GT's put together if it is 30% faster then the Ultra. SLI has around an increase rate of 30%, and the 9800GX2 is 30% faster then the Ultra. Therefore you would think that the 9800GX2 would HAVE to be two 8800 Ultras put togther in SLI and stuck on the same card.LordEC911

It is NOT Ultras in SLI though...
It is either two G92GTs or G92GTS.
I would also have to doubt them being G92GTS, since those cards use 130-140w easily.

Well I accept then that I'm wrong :P.

So I will get the same performance as the 9800 GX2 with my SLI'd 8800 GT's.Frag_grenade

BTW Karasill, my apologies.

I was kinda ranting on there being a bit missinformed. I got a bit confused some of the details :).

BTW Karasill, my apologies.

I was kinda ranting on there being a bit missinformed. I got a bit confused some of the details :).

G013M

[QUOTE="codezer0"]So I guess we won't be playing Crysis (fluidly) on High anytime soon.chester706

[QUOTE="chester706"][QUOTE="codezer0"]So I guess we won't be playing Crysis (fluidly) on High anytime soon.codezer0