New Monitor for gaming - Samsung SyncMaster, yay or nay?

I'm looking for a monitor to replace an old 1280x1024 monitor im currently using as i couldnt afford a new one when i build my pc. ideally it should be under £100 give or take a bit.

i've got my eye on a Samsung sync master 21.5" at #92 from ebuyer (http://www.ebuyer.com/262562-samsung-syncmaster-e2220n-tft-lcd-21-5-vga-monitor-ls22clysbuen), is this a good choice? if not can someone suggest a better one?

thanks.

Yeah it's good for £100, but i'd save up £25 more and get an IPS panel.

http://www.ebuyer.com/284104-lg-ips225v-lcd-led-21-5-hdmi-monitor-ips225v-bn

what advantages would an IPS monitor have over TFT? i only ask cause i've never actually heard of IPS LED before lol

what advantages would an IPS monitor have over TFT? i only ask cause i've never actually heard of IPS LED before lol

GraemeP95

Buy a TN panel, they're the best for gaming. Not sure why people are recommending "IPS" monitors on "Gamespot"

Buy a TN panel, they're the best for gaming. Not sure why people are recommending "IPS" monitors on "Gamespot"

ShimmerMan

There is a real world difference and it's called input delay. It's the difference between playing a game like it's underwater and playing a game like it's on a razors edge.

Edit: This is a good site for monitor reviewshttp://www.digitalversus.com/

There is a real world difference and it's called input delay. It's the difference between playing a game like it's underwater and playing a game like it's on a razors edge.

Edit: This is a good site for monitor reviewshttp://www.digitalversus.com/

ShimmerMan

Anything below 15-16ms of input lag is negligible, as you won't be able to feel it. That's what most decent IPS panels fall under. It's impossible for the human reflex to discern that one frame of input lag. Anyone who thinks otherwise is lying to themselves.

[QUOTE="ShimmerMan"]

There is a real world difference and it's called input delay. It's the difference between playing a game like it's underwater and playing a game like it's on a razors edge.

Edit: This is a good site for monitor reviewshttp://www.digitalversus.com/

ravenguard90

Anything below 15-16ms of input lag is negligible, as you won't be able to feel it. That's what most decent IPS panels fall under. It's impossible for the human reflex to discern that one frame of input lag. Anyone who thinks otherwise is lying to themselves.

How do you know most IPS panels only have 16 ms of input lag? Most TN panels can't even reach 16ms so I'm doubting most IPS get anywhere near that.

[QUOTE="ravenguard90"]

[QUOTE="ShimmerMan"]

There is a real world difference and it's called input delay. It's the difference between playing a game like it's underwater and playing a game like it's on a razors edge.

Edit: This is a good site for monitor reviewshttp://www.digitalversus.com/

ShimmerMan

Anything below 15-16ms of input lag is negligible, as you won't be able to feel it. That's what most decent IPS panels fall under. It's impossible for the human reflex to discern that one frame of input lag. Anyone who thinks otherwise is lying to themselves.

How do you know most IPS panels only have 16 ms of input lag? Most TN panels can't even reach 16ms so I'm doubting most IPS get anywhere near that.

An example of a decent(key word) IPS monitor is the Dell U2311H. Here's the review to show you the input lag. It was measured to be on average 10.6ms of input lag. Yes, there is the maximum 30ms of input lag, but it's not consistently at that number.

There are some other cost-effective IPS monitors that do suffer from higher-than-usual input lag (as can be seen in the chart provided), but the notion that IPS monitors are slow in general is entirely false. The only thing I would give TN monitors is response time, as it has yet to be seen for an IPS to match a 2ms response time of a TN panel.

I wouldn't touch a monitor which can range upto 30ms input delay with a barge pole. For all you know the monitor is hitting 1 ms on a few frames and then spiking upto 30ms, that's not good at all.

It's not just two data points, you fool. They take it based on a real-time session of a countdown between a CRT and the monitor. It is on average 15ms behind, with the random 30ms spike. It's not constantly at 30ms, so (in my opinion) that's a small price I'm willing to pay for the better viewing angles and colour accuracy.

If it's on average 15ms behind with a random spike of 30 ms, how does that = 10ms avg. Do you even know what you're talking about?

Examples of high ms, but low average ms monitors...

Iiyama ProLite X2775HDS

LG Flatron IPS226V

As you can see these monitors spike up to 30+ms but retain 0 input delay on other frames. The spikes will not be suitable for gaming. How does a monitor gain 10ms average but a peak of 30ms? The only possible way is via spikes.

Now here's a example of a LOW average and LOW peak TN PANEL. W2261v, cheap as chips when I bought it as I paid under 100.

And also before you call someone a fool, do it to their face not over the internet like a pussay.

^I think that's not true. Possibly if you've never expereinced a low input delay monitor you will not know the difference. But if you play on a CRT which has zero input delay and then switch to a monitor which spikes upto 33ms I think most will notice a difference, you don't have to be a pro gamer just a enthusiast. I play on this LG which has 12 avg with no stupid high peaks, and if I move to my 37" Samsung hdTV which has about 25ms, there is a major difference. Especially with Fighting games genre/FPS and action adventure.

ShimmerMan

Feel free to show a graph of how that monitor performs to prove the 30ms spikes are not frequent enough to hamper gameplay.

I guess if it gets to bottom line stuff, both types of monitors are good and much better for gaming than say a normal HDTV. But the pros and cons of each panel means the TN panel leads much more towards "gaming", where as the IPS is more for professional photo editing. This is "Game"spot so the logical suggestion would be to advice a top of the range TN panel, not a IPS panel.

I'm suprised people are suggesting a IPS panel when for around the same price (maybe a litle more) the original poster could probably buy a 120hz monitor and have access to 3D gaming, and also true 60FPS to 120FPS framerate in gaming. On a IPS monitor there's no reason to go over 60FPS a part from mouse smoothness as the monitor only accepts 60hz. On a 120hz monitor there is every reason to go over 60FPS as the monitor will show every frame upto 120FPS, effectively allowing the user to see more of what's happening in the game every second than someone on a 60hz monitor ( which is a great advantage).

It's performance vs quality I guess. But I think the pros of a IPS such as better colour accuracy are just not as important as good performance in a video-game environment.

The reviews i've read of recent IPS monitors seem to think they're fine for gaming.

thanks a lot for all the comments guys, i think i'll probably just go with the cheapest option for now as this is the first monitor i've actually bought in my life lol, ive been a xbox/ps3 gamer up till now and only ever had laptops, this is my first desktop. so as the monitor im using just now is a TFT i think i'll just stick with that for now as this monitor is a good 5 or 6 years old yet i can't notice any form of input lag with it (i'd say im an enthusiast gamer but i guess that's up for speculation) thanks a lot though guys! :)

^I think that's not true. Possibly if you've never expereinced a low input delay monitor you will not know the difference. But if you play on a CRT which has zero input delay and then switch to a monitor which spikes upto 33ms I think most will notice a difference, you don't have to be a pro gamer just a enthusiast. I play on this LG which has 12 avg with no stupid high peaks, and if I move to my 37" Samsung hdTV which has about 25ms, there is a major difference. Especially with Fighting games genre/FPS and action adventure.

ShimmerMan

Blurring on the other hand is an issue with ALL LCD's be it TN or IPS or whatever, you just have to live with it. I dont find the blur on my LCD to be anymore than a fast TN monitor, maybe a side by side comparison would reveal something but I do notice blurring on TN as well so as I said you have to live with it.

And what you get with an IPS monitor is the following,

Much better viewing angles which are essential if you game with different postures like I do. I have said this before many times that the way we sit with keyboard mouse is completely different than when playing with controller atleast I do. When I play with gamepad I lay back on my chair with my legs resting on something an angle where the vertical viewing angles come into play and with a TN I would need to adjust the display everytime. That alone is quite a deal breaker to me but theres more.

Near perfect color uniformity, if the whole of the screen is showing a particular color then thats exactly what you will actually see on an IPS monitor. On a TN you get slightly different color at the edges of the display.

And last but not the least IPS monitors display a much more natural image which may or may not matter to people.