Next Blizzard MMO to be completely original game

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#1 thusaha
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In a post on the World of Warcraft message boards, Blizzard community manager Zarhym states flat out, "We have nothing to advertise for the new MMO because it's a shell of a game thus far. We've already stated it'll be a brand new franchise, which means the lore, art, and game play are being developed entirely from scratch. It's an overwhelming process, but a process through which we excel. Our track record supports this." If this is indeed true it would be Blizzard's first game based on a totally original IP since the original StarCraft was released way back in 1998.

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#2 555SSOO
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Why did you made a topic about this?

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#3 Locke562
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Why did you made a topic about this?

555SSOO
A lot of people may not know this.
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#4 SuperGamer911
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[QUOTE="555SSOO"]

Why did you made a topic about this?

Locke562

A lot of people may not know this.

I'm one of those people lol.

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#5 MyopicCanadian
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That's fantastic news. It's really good to hear that Blizzard is making a real step forward instead of World of Starcraft or World of Diablo :P Except for the "shell of a game" part.. I guess that means it'll still be a really long while until the game is completed.

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#6 SamiRDuran
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Why did you made a topic about this?

555SSOO

maybe because blizzard is the most popular pc developer? good news, cant wait to see what they are up to

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Why did you made a topic about this?

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Why did you made a topic about this?

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#9 naval
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knowing blizzard, it's going to be awesome
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#10 404-not-found
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Why did you made a topic about this?

555SSOO
Because this is a forum where we discuss videogames?
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#11 555SSOO
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[QUOTE="555SSOO"]

Why did you made a topic about this?

404-not-found

Because this is a forum where we discuss videogames?

:o,who would have guessed?!I said that because the posts on this topic can only be like this"Great!"or"Super",and that isn't that interesting:evil:

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#12 smokeydabear076
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I'm glad to see that they are going to make a new ip. And I wonder if this game is going to be for consoles too.

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#13 dan-rofl-copter
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It will be interesting to see what they will come up with, a completely new game is long over due from blizzard.

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#14 deactivated-5f0340ca5ecca
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It's a risk going for something totally new , but knowing Blizzards history it'll probably be a success!
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#15 Jordo321
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I have no idea what to expect out of this new franchise. It's really hard to tell if at this point in my life if a new series would interest me as much as it would have if I was younger. Mainly nostalgia is what got me playing WoW, but I quit after realizing it didn't feel anything like the old WC's and it being a big timesink etc. Can't wait for D3 though. Let's just hope it's not another game where you slay dragons etc. lol Either way I probably won't be playing this MMO no matter how good it looks if it's as big as a timesink as WoW, hated the feeling of finally being happy with my char only for some new thing to come out to make all my efforts worthless
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#16 Pharanix
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Interesting. It is hard to imagine Blizzard making something not based on something else they've already done... I'm pretty excited that they are expanding.

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#17 i_saw_a_mudcrab
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It's sad that Blizzard are wasting their talent to make garbage. How about Warctaft 4? Or some entirely new strategy or ARPG? Something that Blizzard does better than others. NO! Let's make ****ty MMOs instead! Another nail in the PC gaming coffin.

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#18 Im_single
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It's sad that Blizzard are wasting their talent to make garbage. How about Warctaft 4? Or some entirely new strategy or ARPG? Something that Blizzard does better than others. NO! Let's make ****ty MMOs instead! Another nail in the PC gaming coffin.

i_saw_a_mudcrab
You might want to add "MMOs are killing PC gaming!" to your sig. :roll: I'm looking forward to seeing what new IP Blizz can bring to the table, doubt we'll be seeing anything for a long, long time.
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Would like to try WoW (for my own opinion), but can't afford. Hope this next one will be like the ways Guild Wars runs. Also, I'm glad Blizzard is expanding from the Big 3.

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#20 i_saw_a_mudcrab
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You might want to add "MMOs are killing PC gaming!" to your sig. :roll:Im_single

Why would I? My sig is a collection of idiotic statements and whining. The "MMOs are killing PC gaming" does not belong there since there is some truth to these words.

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It's sad that Blizzard are wasting their talent to make garbage. How about Warctaft 4? Or some entirely new strategy or ARPG? Something that Blizzard does better than others. NO! Let's make ****ty MMOs instead! Another nail in the PC gaming coffin.

i_saw_a_mudcrab
Yeah....another nail in PC gaming.... WoW did bring 11 million players to PC..... and brought people who had never played a game on PC to PC.... and brought enough money to Blizzard so they can work on SC2 and Diablo3 at the same time... and to say they are making garbage without even knowing what they are making is just stupid sorry....
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It's sad that Blizzard are wasting their talent to make garbage. How about Warctaft 4? Or some entirely new strategy or ARPG? Something that Blizzard does better than others. NO! Let's make ****ty MMOs instead! Another nail in the PC gaming coffin.

i_saw_a_mudcrab
ummmm what? did you already forget about scarcraft II and diablo III? warcraft 4 wont happen for a while
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I hope it's sci-fi related. Enough fantasy...

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#24 Naikori
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Nice to hear that their getting a new IP for their games. Kind of getting tired of all the Fantasy stuff their making.

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It's sad that Blizzard are wasting their talent to make garbage. How about Warctaft 4? Or some entirely new strategy or ARPG? Something that Blizzard does better than others. NO! Let's make ****ty MMOs instead! Another nail in the PC gaming coffin.

i_saw_a_mudcrab
aww... someone woke up on the wrong side of the head-trauma coma You do know they have several teams working on several different projects, right? Blizzard isn't 3 people in someone's basement somewhere.
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#26 i_saw_a_mudcrab
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[QUOTE="i_saw_a_mudcrab"]

It's sad that Blizzard are wasting their talent to make garbage. How about Warctaft 4? Or some entirely new strategy or ARPG? Something that Blizzard does better than others. NO! Let's make ****ty MMOs instead! Another nail in the PC gaming coffin.

darkmagician06

ummmm what? did you already forget about scarcraft II and diablo III? warcraft 4 wont happen for a while

Your point? If they have time to be making a new MMO alongside SC2 and D3 then why not make something better instead?

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#27 i_saw_a_mudcrab
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[QUOTE="i_saw_a_mudcrab"]

It's sad that Blizzard are wasting their talent to make garbage. How about Warctaft 4? Or some entirely new strategy or ARPG? Something that Blizzard does better than others. NO! Let's make ****ty MMOs instead! Another nail in the PC gaming coffin.

FelipeInside

Yeah....another nail in PC gaming.... WoW did bring 11 million players to PC..... and brought people who had never played a game on PC to PC.... and brought enough money to Blizzard so they can work on SC2 and Diablo3 at the same time... and to say they are making garbage without even knowing what they are making is just stupid sorry....

I don't care how many of what did it bring where, the point is - it's a bad game and the PC has enough of those available currently. Blizzard is probably the only company left who is able to make non-crap for PC but they are wasting their talent to make MMOs instead.

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#28 mirgamer
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[QUOTE="404-not-found"][QUOTE="555SSOO"]

Why did you made a topic about this?

555SSOO

Because this is a forum where we discuss videogames?

:o,who would have guessed?!I said that because the posts on this topic can only be like this"Great!"or"Super",and that isn't that interesting:evil:

Then don't partake in this thread, no one's forcing you. And most folks are pretty cool with the TC's thread, the only one being sore for some reason is you. I for one am glad for this thread coz I've no idea they are making a new IP. Its a breath of fresh air coming from Blizzard.
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#29 mirgamer
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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="i_saw_a_mudcrab"]

It's sad that Blizzard are wasting their talent to make garbage. How about Warctaft 4? Or some entirely new strategy or ARPG? Something that Blizzard does better than others. NO! Let's make ****ty MMOs instead! Another nail in the PC gaming coffin.

i_saw_a_mudcrab

Yeah....another nail in PC gaming.... WoW did bring 11 million players to PC..... and brought people who had never played a game on PC to PC.... and brought enough money to Blizzard so they can work on SC2 and Diablo3 at the same time... and to say they are making garbage without even knowing what they are making is just stupid sorry....

I don't care how many of what did it bring where, the point is - it's a bad game and the PC has enough of those available currently. Blizzard is probably the only company left who is able to make non-crap for PC but they are wasting their talent to make MMOs instead.

Bad game? 11 million subs= a bad game? I'm sorry but you don't have a point in the first place. You are just pissed that you didnt get what you wanted (War 4). Fortunately for the rest of us, Blizzard do not revolve around you.
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[QUOTE="i_saw_a_mudcrab"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Yeah....another nail in PC gaming.... WoW did bring 11 million players to PC..... and brought people who had never played a game on PC to PC.... and brought enough money to Blizzard so they can work on SC2 and Diablo3 at the same time... and to say they are making garbage without even knowing what they are making is just stupid sorry....mirgamer

I don't care how many of what did it bring where, the point is - it's a bad game and the PC has enough of those available currently. Blizzard is probably the only company left who is able to make non-crap for PC but they are wasting their talent to make MMOs instead.

Bad game? 11 million subs= a bad game? I'm sorry but you don't have a point in the first place. You are just pissed that you didnt get what you wanted (War 4). Fortunately for the rest of us, Blizzard do not revolve around you.

Perfectly put.... if ur saying WoW is a bad game ur naive.... just because YOU don't like it doesn't mean it's bad. It does what it's supposed to do perfectly...and better than anyone else. As for WC4, I'm sure sooner or later they will bring the game as a side-story to World of Warcraft, it's the only way they can go so accept it. And to say lines like: "they are wasting their talent to make MMOs instead." and "If they have time to be making a new MMO alongside SC2 and D3 then why not make something better instead?" it's obvious ur a hater of MMOs. So good, HATE them, but don't say they are crap just because they are not ur cup of tea.... I'll like to see what people have to say about Blizzard if their new MMO surpases WoW.....

sorry about wall of text.... I don't know if it's Firefox but I wrote it with spaced paragraphs and it came out like that.

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[QUOTE="i_saw_a_mudcrab"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Yeah....another nail in PC gaming.... WoW did bring 11 million players to PC..... and brought people who had never played a game on PC to PC.... and brought enough money to Blizzard so they can work on SC2 and Diablo3 at the same time... and to say they are making garbage without even knowing what they are making is just stupid sorry....mirgamer

I don't care how many of what did it bring where, the point is - it's a bad game and the PC has enough of those available currently. Blizzard is probably the only company left who is able to make non-crap for PC but they are wasting their talent to make MMOs instead.

Bad game? 11 million subs= a bad game? I'm sorry but you don't have a point in the first place. You are just pissed that you didnt get what you wanted (War 4). Fortunately for the rest of us, Blizzard do not revolve around you.

The Backstreet Boys have also sold millions of records. Does that make the music good? No.

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[QUOTE="mirgamer"][QUOTE="i_saw_a_mudcrab"]

I don't care how many of what did it bring where, the point is - it's a bad game and the PC has enough of those available currently. Blizzard is probably the only company left who is able to make non-crap for PC but they are wasting their talent to make MMOs instead.

PTMags

Bad game? 11 million subs= a bad game? I'm sorry but you don't have a point in the first place. You are just pissed that you didnt get what you wanted (War 4). Fortunately for the rest of us, Blizzard do not revolve around you.

The Backstreet Boys have also sold millions of records. Does that make the music good? No.

LOL.... another intelligent comment. So obviously because you don't like the Backstreet Boys, their music is crap.....right !!! I never liked The Beatles, they sold 2000 trillion records, but I never said their music is bad....
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#33 fazedjb
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I so hope this isn't gonna be a WoW with diff graphics. that would suck balls badly imo

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judging by the fact that there has never been a single console mmo in the history of the world i would say no. ffonline just doesnt count people.

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#35 i_saw_a_mudcrab
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Lol at the "DIS GAEM SOLD A BILLION COPIES THAT MENZ IZ GOOD LO" comments. Halo 3 got a 10/10 on most sites. Good game? Noooo. Fallout 3 sold 5 million copies in the 1st month or something. Better game than Fallout 1 or 2? NOOOOO! I've heard Lineage 1 or 2 (that fail Korean grind-fest of an MMO) has 14 million subscribers in Asia. Good game? Absolutely not. A thousandfold worse than WoW.

A game's review or the number of copies it sold tells nothing about its quality. Just about all MMOs provide roughly the same entertainment as drying paint. WoW is a slight exception because it's not that boring but still gets repetitive and tedious as hell after some point.Blizzard has made the best RTS in existence, the best hacky-slashy action RPG in existence and the best MMO in existence (whoopie huge accomplishment there blizz, you've created the least smelliest pile of crap). MMOs are a fail genre by definition since they rely on providing unlimited "entertainment" through repetitive grind.

Why does a great company like Blizzard which brought us gems such as Starcraft and Diablo focus on this abomination of a game genre so much? WHY? (It's obvious why, though, to leech money from people who would pay for watching paint dry)

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Not everyone has the same opinion as you mudcrap .
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I hope it's sci-fi related. Enough fantasy...

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Starcraft?
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[QUOTE="PTMags"]

[QUOTE="mirgamer"] Bad game? 11 million subs= a bad game? I'm sorry but you don't have a point in the first place. You are just pissed that you didnt get what you wanted (War 4). Fortunately for the rest of us, Blizzard do not revolve around you.FelipeInside

The Backstreet Boys have also sold millions of records. Does that make the music good? No.

LOL.... another intelligent comment. So obviously because you don't like the Backstreet Boys, their music is crap.....right !!! I never liked The Beatles, they sold 2000 trillion records, but I never said their music is bad....

How do you sell 2000 trillion records?
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Why did you made a topic about this?

555SSOO
Probably for discussion.
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#41 darkmagician06
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judging by the fact that there has never been a single console mmo in the history of the world i would say no. ffonline just doesnt count people.

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FFXI on ps2 and 360 are mmo's http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/rpg/finalfantasy11/index.html
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Lol at the "DIS GAEM SOLD A BILLION COPIES THAT MENZ IZ GOOD LO" comments. Halo 3 got a 10/10 on most sites. Good game? Noooo. Fallout 3 sold 5 million copies in the 1st month or something. Better game than Fallout 1 or 2? NOOOOO! I've heard Lineage 1 or 2 (that fail Korean grind-fest of an MMO) has 14 million subscribers in Asia. Good game? Absolutely not. A thousandfold worse than WoW.

A game's review or the number of copies it sold tells nothing about its quality. Just about all MMOs provide roughly the same entertainment as drying paint. WoW is a slight exception because it's not that boring but still gets repetitive and tedious as hell after some point.Blizzard has made the best RTS in existence, the best hacky-slashy action RPG in existence and the best MMO in existence (whoopie huge accomplishment there blizz, you've created the least smelliest pile of crap). MMOs are a fail genre by definition since they rely on providing unlimited "entertainment" through repetitive grind.

Why does a great company like Blizzard which brought us gems such as Starcraft and Diablo focus on this abomination of a game genre so much? WHY? (It's obvious why, though, to leech money from people who would pay for watching paint dry)

i_saw_a_mudcrab
Yes yes we know you want us to believe that you ALONE are able to know and judge the quality of a game. Unfortunately for you, we really don't. Truth sucks, isn't it? Dont feel too bad though.
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#43 FelipeInside
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[QUOTE="i_saw_a_mudcrab"]

Lol at the "DIS GAEM SOLD A BILLION COPIES THAT MENZ IZ GOOD LO" comments. Halo 3 got a 10/10 on most sites. Good game? Noooo. Fallout 3 sold 5 million copies in the 1st month or something. Better game than Fallout 1 or 2? NOOOOO! I've heard Lineage 1 or 2 (that fail Korean grind-fest of an MMO) has 14 million subscribers in Asia. Good game? Absolutely not. A thousandfold worse than WoW.

A game's review or the number of copies it sold tells nothing about its quality. Just about all MMOs provide roughly the same entertainment as drying paint. WoW is a slight exception because it's not that boring but still gets repetitive and tedious as hell after some point.Blizzard has made the best RTS in existence, the best hacky-slashy action RPG in existence and the best MMO in existence (whoopie huge accomplishment there blizz, you've created the least smelliest pile of crap). MMOs are a fail genre by definition since they rely on providing unlimited "entertainment" through repetitive grind.

Why does a great company like Blizzard which brought us gems such as Starcraft and Diablo focus on this abomination of a game genre so much? WHY? (It's obvious why, though, to leech money from people who would pay for watching paint dry)

mirgamer
Yes yes we know you want us to believe that you ALONE are able to know and judge the quality of a game. Unfortunately for you, we really don't. Truth sucks, isn't it? Dont feel too bad though.

Yeah mate... It's obvious you don't like MMOs as a genre, and that's great.... but from saying you don't like them, to saying that 11 million players are a "fail genre by definition" is another thing. Yes you are right, MMOs sometimes are a grind fest (wasn't Diablo too?). And yes, MMOs sometimes get repetitive and tedious. On the other side of the coin, MMOs are great for playing with friends. MMOs are great for exploring. MMOs are great for group fighting and questing. MMOs are great if you like character profession and getting new gear. Of course WoW has it's problems.....it's mostly non-story based and parts of the community ruin it....but no game is perfect. Still... it brought MMO to the mainstream..... and now ever MMO out there compares to WoW.... so it IS a HUGE accomplishment for Blizzard, even though some people think its crap...
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[QUOTE="mirgamer"][QUOTE="i_saw_a_mudcrab"]

Lol at the "DIS GAEM SOLD A BILLION COPIES THAT MENZ IZ GOOD LO" comments. Halo 3 got a 10/10 on most sites. Good game? Noooo. Fallout 3 sold 5 million copies in the 1st month or something. Better game than Fallout 1 or 2? NOOOOO! I've heard Lineage 1 or 2 (that fail Korean grind-fest of an MMO) has 14 million subscribers in Asia. Good game? Absolutely not. A thousandfold worse than WoW.

A game's review or the number of copies it sold tells nothing about its quality. Just about all MMOs provide roughly the same entertainment as drying paint. WoW is a slight exception because it's not that boring but still gets repetitive and tedious as hell after some point.Blizzard has made the best RTS in existence, the best hacky-slashy action RPG in existence and the best MMO in existence (whoopie huge accomplishment there blizz, you've created the least smelliest pile of crap). MMOs are a fail genre by definition since they rely on providing unlimited "entertainment" through repetitive grind.

Why does a great company like Blizzard which brought us gems such as Starcraft and Diablo focus on this abomination of a game genre so much? WHY? (It's obvious why, though, to leech money from people who would pay for watching paint dry)

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Yes yes we know you want us to believe that you ALONE are able to know and judge the quality of a game. Unfortunately for you, we really don't. Truth sucks, isn't it? Dont feel too bad though.

Yeah mate... It's obvious you don't like MMOs as a genre, and that's great.... but from saying you don't like them, to saying that 11 million players are a "fail genre by definition" is another thing. Yes you are right, MMOs sometimes are a grind fest (wasn't Diablo too?). And yes, MMOs sometimes get repetitive and tedious. On the other side of the coin, MMOs are great for playing with friends. MMOs are great for exploring. MMOs are great for group fighting and questing. MMOs are great if you like character profession and getting new gear. Of course WoW has it's problems.....it's mostly non-story based and parts of the community ruin it....but no game is perfect. Still... it brought MMO to the mainstream..... and now ever MMO out there compares to WoW.... so it IS a HUGE accomplishment for Blizzard, even though some people think its crap...

A lot of people thinks it's crap, many people share some unfounded hate for anything popular, couple that with the fact that a lot of people hate MMOs and WoW being the most popular MMO and one of the most popular games in the world you can see why so many people would hate WoW, it doesn't make sense but hey, who am I to question other peoples judgments? I enjoy playing it and I won't let some angry forum poster or anybody for that matter take the fun that WoW brings away. Yes, it is a HUGE accomplishment for Blizzard, they don't get enough credit for restoring a dying genre.
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#45 FelipeInside
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[QUOTE="Im_single"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="mirgamer"] Yes yes we know you want us to believe that you ALONE are able to know and judge the quality of a game. Unfortunately for you, we really don't. Truth sucks, isn't it? Dont feel too bad though.

Yeah mate... It's obvious you don't like MMOs as a genre, and that's great.... but from saying you don't like them, to saying that 11 million players are a "fail genre by definition" is another thing. Yes you are right, MMOs sometimes are a grind fest (wasn't Diablo too?). And yes, MMOs sometimes get repetitive and tedious. On the other side of the coin, MMOs are great for playing with friends. MMOs are great for exploring. MMOs are great for group fighting and questing. MMOs are great if you like character profession and getting new gear. Of course WoW has it's problems.....it's mostly non-story based and parts of the community ruin it....but no game is perfect. Still... it brought MMO to the mainstream..... and now ever MMO out there compares to WoW.... so it IS a HUGE accomplishment for Blizzard, even though some people think its crap...

A lot of people thinks it's crap, many people share some unfounded hate for anything popular, couple that with the fact that a lot of people hate MMOs and WoW being the most popular MMO and one of the most popular games in the world you can see why so many people would hate WoW, it doesn't make sense but hey, who am I to question other peoples judgments? I enjoy playing it and I won't let some angry forum poster or anybody for that matter take the fun that WoW brings away. Yes, it is a HUGE accomplishment for Blizzard, they don't get enough credit for restoring a dying genre.

You are completely right. A lot of people hate it cause it's so popular, or even cause they can't afford to play it. It only makes me angry when these people just say it's a crap game and everyone that plays it has no life, is mentally retarded or etc etc.
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Interesting, I want to believe that it will be amazing and change the way MMOs are played forever, but Blizzard as great as they are isn't really known for their innovation in the larger scale, it will prolly be another medieval/scifi grindfest with clickity-click-click combat, more interested to see how The Old Republic turns out.
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Interesting, I want to believe that it will be amazing and change the way MMOs are played forever, but Blizzard as great as they are isn't really known for their innovation in the larger scale, it will prolly be another medieval/scifi grindfest with clickity-click-click combat, more interested to see how The Old Republic turns out.mr_mozilla
Yeah....I can't wait for Old Republic. But you must agree that Blizz did bring some great innovations in large scale with WoW....