Next Gen ATI and Nvidia cards

Hey everyone,

So I know we're getting into late September/Early October, isn't it about time that AMD and Nvidia started talking about their next set of graphics cards for AMD it's be the 7000 series graphics cards, although at this point I've heard nothing and I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on the subject for me.

Hey everyone,

So I know we're getting into late September/Early October, isn't it about time that AMD and Nvidia started talking about their next set of graphics cards for AMD it's be the 7000 series graphics cards, although at this point I've heard nothing and I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on the subject for me.

Dom_Hawk_basic

The AMD cards will be featuring a double die shrink, going from 40nm to 28nm and apparently the top end ones will use less power by a significant margin than previous high end and feature xdr2 from rambus.

I haven't seen anything from nvidia.

any idea when they will start shipping these. I'm considering an upgrade come first of the year

any idea when they will start shipping these. I'm considering an upgrade come first of the year

Dom_Hawk_basic

That 5970 just isn't cutting it, huh? :P

Rumors are saying that it will be next year.

well typically i buy a new PC every 5 years, I'm on the console life cycle, but I thought that I would extent the life of the system by buy a new graphics card every few years and I don't want them to move beyond the tech that is built in now so I can't upgrade it in 5.... I don't know it's convoluted I suppose, but I really want better DX 11 performance. CIV 5 is not smooth late game under DX 11

well typically i buy a new PC every 5 years, I'm on the console life cycle, but I thought that I would extent the life of the system by buy a new graphics card every few years and I don't want them to move beyond the tech that is built in now so I can't upgrade it in 5.... I don't know it's convoluted I suppose, but I really want better DX 11 performance. CIV 5 is not smooth late game under DX 11

Dom_Hawk_basic

it's been a while since I updated this signature :) I'm running 12GB ram now DDR 3 at a Cas 7. Its the max my PC will hold at that frequency level. Although I haven't seen a BSOD in a while, when i first installed the ram i got the screen quite often. Then after running the ram through the system diagnostic three or fourt times it just stopped misbehaving, but I also reset the clocks which I forgot to do when i first put in the ram :-D my first pc that I'm taking the time to upgrade.

it's been a while since I updated this signature :) I'm running 12GB ram now DDR 3 at a Cas 7

Dom_Hawk_basic

Also a nice SSD might be a good upgrade choice as well.

it's been a while since I updated this signature :) I'm running 12GB ram now DDR 3 at a Cas 7

Dom_Hawk_basic

I can't speak for Civ 5 specifically, but I think you may gain more performance in general by overclocking your i7 than by upgrading from a 5970 at this time. Pretty much everybody that I know with an i7 920 has been able to hit 3.5ghz or higher with no problem.

Just get a 6990 or a GTX 590 and sell your 5970 :P In all seriousness though.. I don't know what's going to happen with the next gen of AMD/Nvidia cards in terms of performance. I'm sure there will be something that will be a truly worthy upgrade from your 5970. DX11 performance will be even more refined by then.

[QUOTE="Dom_Hawk_basic"]

it's been a while since I updated this signature :) I'm running 12GB ram now DDR 3 at a Cas 7

hartsickdiscipl

I can't speak for Civ 5 specifically, but I think you may gain more performance in general by overclocking your i7 than by upgrading from a 5970 at this time. Pretty much everybody that I know with an i7 920 has been able to hit 3.5ghz or higher with no problem.

Just get a 6990 or a GTX 590 and sell your 5970 :P In all seriousness though.. I don't know what's going to happen with the next gen of AMD/Nvidia cards in terms of performance. I'm sure there will be something that will be a truly worthy upgrade from your 5970. DX11 performance will be even more refined by then.

I was thinking about an SSD or an SSD Hybrid, however, I hear that the fale rates on them are phenominally scary for something with no moving party. ( i got that info from a review revision 5 did)

[QUOTE="Dom_Hawk_basic"]

it's been a while since I updated this signature :) I'm running 12GB ram now DDR 3 at a Cas 7

I can't speak for Civ 5 specifically, but I think you may gain more performance in general by overclocking your i7 than by upgrading from a 5970 at this time. Pretty much everybody that I know with an i7 920 has been able to hit 3.5ghz or higher with no problem.

Just get a 6990 or a GTX 590 and sell your 5970 :P In all seriousness though.. I don't know what's going to happen with the next gen of AMD/Nvidia cards in terms of performance. I'm sure there will be something that will be a truly worthy upgrade from your 5970. DX11 performance will be even more refined by then.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Dom_Hawk_basic"]

it's been a while since I updated this signature :) I'm running 12GB ram now DDR 3 at a Cas 7

theshadowhunter

I can't speak for Civ 5 specifically, but I think you may gain more performance in general by overclocking your i7 than by upgrading from a 5970 at this time. Pretty much everybody that I know with an i7 920 has been able to hit 3.5ghz or higher with no problem.

Just get a 6990 or a GTX 590 and sell your 5970 :P In all seriousness though.. I don't know what's going to happen with the next gen of AMD/Nvidia cards in terms of performance. I'm sure there will be something that will be a truly worthy upgrade from your 5970. DX11 performance will be even more refined by then.

I probably wouldn't go from a 5970 to a 6900 either, I was making a joke. ;)

However, I do feel that overclocking that i7 would be a good move.

[QUOTE="theshadowhunter"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I can't speak for Civ 5 specifically, but I think you may gain more performance in general by overclocking your i7 than by upgrading from a 5970 at this time. Pretty much everybody that I know with an i7 920 has been able to hit 3.5ghz or higher with no problem.

Just get a 6990 or a GTX 590 and sell your 5970 :P In all seriousness though.. I don't know what's going to happen with the next gen of AMD/Nvidia cards in terms of performance. I'm sure there will be something that will be a truly worthy upgrade from your 5970. DX11 performance will be even more refined by then.

Dom_Hawk_basic

I wouldnt go from a 5970 to a 6990, its not that much of a difference in performance, just try to overclock the 5970, and wait for SB-E or IB to come out.

[QUOTE="theshadowhunter"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I can't speak for Civ 5 specifically, but I think you may gain more performance in general by overclocking your i7 than by upgrading from a 5970 at this time. Pretty much everybody that I know with an i7 920 has been able to hit 3.5ghz or higher with no problem.

Just get a 6990 or a GTX 590 and sell your 5970 :P In all seriousness though.. I don't know what's going to happen with the next gen of AMD/Nvidia cards in terms of performance. I'm sure there will be something that will be a truly worthy upgrade from your 5970. DX11 performance will be even more refined by then.

hartsickdiscipl

I probably wouldn't go from a 5970 to a 6900 either, I was making a joke. ;)

However, I do feel that overclocking that i7 would be a good move.

as far as those go, think they'll use the same LGA socket type. I'm assuming the I7-2600 is newer than the I7 9xx series? I haven't been keeping that much track in the CPU space.

I've been considering doing the SSD route for the os boot system, maybe a 60GB drive, but then putting in a raptor drive for gaming as it would be a faster boot, better capacity, and a fairly reasonable price, in my estimation and then keep the single drive i'm running currently for my music and stuff.

Gotta ask, both you guys on Steam, would love some people to chat with while i'm on there, that know a lot about PC. Most my buddies are Mac guys for various reasons and don't give a hoot. Also anyone looking forward to skyrim. Thinking that is going to be amazing

as far as those go, think they'll use the same LGA socket type. I'm assuming the I7-2600 is newer than the I7 9xx series? I haven't been keeping that much track in the CPU space.

Dom_Hawk_basic

EDIT:add me on steam if you like :)

also heres a page that talks about LGA 2011: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_2011

I'd have to wait for the Sandy E, as I'm running an LGA 1366 socket CPU and I have no intention on replacing the motherboard at this time.

yeah, here's my profile: http://steamcommunity.com/id/shadowhunter

[QUOTE="Dom_Hawk_basic"]

as far as those go, think they'll use the same LGA socket type. I'm assuming the I7-2600 is newer than the I7 9xx series? I haven't been keeping that much track in the CPU space.

theshadowhunter

EDIT:add me on steam if you like :)

also heres a page that talks about LGA 2011: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_2011

same name on steam?

I've been considering doing the SSD route for the os boot system, maybe a 60GB drive, but then putting in a raptor drive for gaming as it would be a faster boot, better capacity, and a fairly reasonable price, in my estimation and then keep the single drive i'm running currently for my music and stuff.

Gotta ask, both you guys on Steam, would love some people to chat with while i'm on there, that know a lot about PC. Most my buddies are Mac guys for various reasons and don't give a hoot. Also anyone looking forward to skyrim. Thinking that is going to be amazing

Dom_Hawk_basic

My Steam name is hartsickdisciple. I will be your Steam buddy, even if no one else will :P

I sure hope AMD dont rush it and release a product with crippled performance like the 58xx series.

I sure hope AMD dont rush it and release a product with crippled performance like the 58xx series.

Gambler_3

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

I sure hope AMD dont rush it and release a product with crippled performance like the 58xx series.

jtcraft

AMD DID rush it, people laughed at nvidia for having lost the game and all when they had no answer to the 5800 for several months, now it's the people with the GTX 470/480 that got the better deal.

[QUOTE="jtcraft"][QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

I sure hope AMD dont rush it and release a product with crippled performance like the 58xx series.

Gambler_3

AMD DID rush it, people laughed at nvidia for having lost the game and all when they had no answer to the 5800 for several months, now it's the people with the GTX 470/480 that got the better deal.

Hey people, I don't like borrowing a thread but I figured this was a good place to put it... Would one recommend same advice to me? (Overclocking my CPU over upgrading my GPU?) My CPU is currently water cooled, but I've still not dared overclock anything! I'm wanting better gaming performance and general rendering performance too.

My system specs:

some kind of MSI AM3 Motherboard, cannot remember chipset

AMD Phenom II x6 1055T 2.8GHz

XFX 5870

4GB 1600MHz RAM (still clocked to 1333MHz)

850W PSU

[QUOTE="theshadowhunter"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I can't speak for Civ 5 specifically, but I think you may gain more performance in general by overclocking your i7 than by upgrading from a 5970 at this time. Pretty much everybody that I know with an i7 920 has been able to hit 3.5ghz or higher with no problem.

Just get a 6990 or a GTX 590 and sell your 5970 :P In all seriousness though.. I don't know what's going to happen with the next gen of AMD/Nvidia cards in terms of performance. I'm sure there will be something that will be a truly worthy upgrade from your 5970. DX11 performance will be even more refined by then.

Dom_Hawk_basic

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

[QUOTE="jtcraft"] I wouldn't consider AMD's 5000 series crippled by any means. They weren't the best with tessellation but there are still more games that are released that don't use DX 11 than do.jtcraft

AMD DID rush it, people laughed at nvidia for having lost the game and all when they had no answer to the 5800 for several months, now it's the people with the GTX 470/480 that got the better deal.

Was the 8800 series crippled in DX10 performance relative to how the latter series of cards performed in DX10? No it wasnt and they were the first DX10 cards to hit the market and were the only ones for 6 months so being early to the market is no excuse. It's obvious AMD knew about the tesselation limitation of the 5800 but wanted to be ahead of nvidia.

Look at the 5870, it is comfortably faster than GTX 470 in most games but yet falls behind in DX11 games. When was the last time this happened that a faster performing card felt behind to a slower card with new games? I really dont remember such a thing happening.

Crysis 1 is the only non-DX11 game that needs alot of power, other then that most of the games where you really need all that power are DX11 games and the 5800 series just isnt on par with the cards they used to be.

civilization 5 and other rts type games are 90% CPU dependent, which is why a nice overclock to your CPU will give you a Nice free boost

OP, overclock your CPU. A stock clock i7 920 is actually a big bottleneck on a 5970 in some games. For example, in Crysis my rig gets like an average of 35 FPS (ranging anywhere from 20 to 45 tops) with the i7 at stock. If I OC to 4GHz I suddenly get around 50-55 FPS average, with 45 being the minimum and sometimes as high as 80 FPS (not counting indoor areas where every rig gets amazing FPS). Also, when I play Civ 5 I always have 60 FPS (vsync) unless I'm playing in 6000x1080 (which I don't since Civ 5 is hard to play in eyefinity).

Hey people, I don't like borrowing a thread but I figured this was a good place to put it... Would one recommend same advice to me? (Overclocking my CPU over upgrading my GPU?) My CPU is currently water cooled, but I've still not dared overclock anything! I'm wanting better gaming performance and general rendering performance too.

My system specs:

some kind of MSI AM3 Motherboard, cannot remember chipset

AMD Phenom II x6 1055T 2.8GHz

XFX 5870

4GB 1600MHz RAM (still clocked to 1333MHz)

850W PSU

_Matt_

Of course we're going to tell you to overclock. Why did you blow so much money on water cooling if you're not going to overclock? That's a waste of several hundred dollars (assuming you have a decent water cooling setup).

Another 5870 would net you a nice improvement in games, but like I said above, that kind of setup gets bottlenecked by stock clocked CPUs so there's no point in getting it until your CPU is overclocked.

[QUOTE="jtcraft"][QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

I sure hope AMD dont rush it and release a product with crippled performance like the 58xx series.

Gambler_3

AMD DID rush it, people laughed at nvidia for having lost the game and all when they had no answer to the 5800 for several months, now it's the people with the GTX 470/480 that got the better deal.

Listen my friend.. I prefer Nvidia cards for a few different reasons. However, I had a 5870, and I can assure you that it wasn't "crippled" at all. Overall I think AMD got the better of Nvidia in the HD5800 vs. GTX 400 battle. They were better-rounded cards and still perform very well in most games. DX11 still isn't all that big of a deal. Plus they're not THAT bad in light DX11 environments. I think you're overblowing this like crazy.

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

Hey people, I don't like borrowing a thread but I figured this was a good place to put it... Would one recommend same advice to me? (Overclocking my CPU over upgrading my GPU?) My CPU is currently water cooled, but I've still not dared overclock anything! I'm wanting better gaming performance and general rendering performance too.

My system specs:

some kind of MSI AM3 Motherboard, cannot remember chipset

AMD Phenom II x6 1055T 2.8GHz

XFX 5870

4GB 1600MHz RAM (still clocked to 1333MHz)

850W PSU

gameguy6700

Of course we're going to tell you to overclock. Why did you blow so much money on water cooling if you're not going to overclock? That's a waste of several hundred dollars (assuming you have a decent water cooling setup).

Another 5870 would net you a nice improvement in games, but like I said above, that kind of setup gets bottlenecked by stock clocked CPUs so there's no point in getting it until your CPU is overclocked.

Haha I guess it sounds silly when you put it like that, it was only £70 though, the reason I got it was because the stock fan was noisy as hell!

Listen my friend.. I prefer Nvidia cards for a few different reasons. However, I had a 5870, and I can assure you that it wasn't "crippled" at all. Overall I think AMD got the better of Nvidia in the HD5800 vs. GTX 400 battle. They were better-rounded cards and still perform very well in most games. DX11 still isn't all that big of a deal. Plus they're not THAT bad in light DX11 environments. I think you're overblowing this like crazy.

hartsickdiscipl

I choose that resolution so you dont say that all the cards are stressed beyond reasonable limits and the FPS is unplayable. Do you notice the absolutely enormous difference between 6950 and 5870? They perform similarly most other times but it's these situations which reveal the glaring limitations in AMD's initial architecture. Do you ever see such a difference between 560 Ti and GTX 470? Do you ever see such a difference between GTX 480 and 570?

Tell me leaving AMD vs Nvidia and any other factors like heat aside, from a pure performance point of view would you rather have a 5870 now or GTX 470?

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

[QUOTE="jtcraft"] I wouldn't consider AMD's 5000 series crippled by any means. They weren't the best with tessellation but there are still more games that are released that don't use DX 11 than do.hartsickdiscipl

AMD DID rush it, people laughed at nvidia for having lost the game and all when they had no answer to the 5800 for several months, now it's the people with the GTX 470/480 that got the better deal.

Listen my friend.. I prefer Nvidia cards for a few different reasons. However, I had a 5870, and I can assure you that it wasn't "crippled" at all. Overall I think AMD got the better of Nvidia in the HD5800 vs. GTX 400 battle. They were better-rounded cards and still perform very well in most games. DX11 still isn't all that big of a deal. Plus they're not THAT bad in light DX11 environments. I think you're overblowing this like crazy.

yah I don't understand you "upgrading" or more like sidegrading from a 5870 to a 560ti

yah I don't understand you "upgrading" or more like sidegrading from a 5870 to a 560ti

blaznwiipspman1

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Listen my friend.. I prefer Nvidia cards for a few different reasons. However, I had a 5870, and I can assure you that it wasn't "crippled" at all. Overall I think AMD got the better of Nvidia in the HD5800 vs. GTX 400 battle. They were better-rounded cards and still perform very well in most games. DX11 still isn't all that big of a deal. Plus they're not THAT bad in light DX11 environments. I think you're overblowing this like crazy.

Gambler_3

I choose that resolution so you dont say that all the cards are stressed beyond reasonable limits and the FPS is unplayable. Do you notice the absolutely enormous difference between 6950 and 5870? They perform similarly most other times but it's these situations which reveal the glaring limitations in AMD's initial architecture. Do you ever see such a difference between 560 Ti and GTX 470? Do you ever see such a difference between GTX 480 and 570?

Tell me leaving AMD vs Nvidia and any other factors like heat aside, from a pure performance point of view would you rather have a 5870 now or GTX 470?

its funny but when you go up resolutions the difference is less than 1 frame :lol: gotta love you cherry picking benches

[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

yah I don't understand you "upgrading" or more like sidegrading from a 5870 to a 560ti

Gambler_3

yep its like going from a 2010 toyota corolla to a 2011 toyota corolla..big woop

[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

yah I don't understand you "upgrading" or more like sidegrading from a 5870 to a 560ti

Gambler_3

In a few cherry picked situations, yes the Ti will come out on top. But overall, the difference is minor.

its funny but when you go up resolutions the difference is less than 1 frame :lol: gotta love you cherry picking benches

blaznwiipspman1

I was comparing 5870 and 6950 and as you can see the difference is still 3FPS which is about 20% difference.

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

yah I don't understand you "upgrading" or more like sidegrading from a 5870 to a 560ti

gmaster456

In a few cherry picked situations, yes the Ti will come out on top. But overall, the difference is minor.

Minor difference in synthetic benchmarks are not to be taken seriously but that there is a pretty big choke-up for the 5870 especially considering the benchmark seems to favour AMD.

[QUOTE="gmaster456"]

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]560 Ti is certainly better than 5870.

Gambler_3

In a few cherry picked situations, yes the Ti will come out on top. But overall, the difference is minor.

Minor difference in synthetic benchmarks are not to be taken seriously but that there is a pretty big choke-up for the 5870 especially considering the benchmark seems to favour AMD.

the 560ti aint the future either, seeing as how dx 11.1 is releasing with windows 8 pretty soon

[QUOTE="gmaster456"]

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]560 Ti is certainly better than 5870.

Gambler_3

In a few cherry picked situations, yes the Ti will come out on top. But overall, the difference is minor.

Minor difference in synthetic benchmarks are not to be taken seriously but that there is a pretty big choke-up for the 5870 especially considering the benchmark seems to favour AMD.

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1085/pg9/gtx-570-vs-radeon-6970-and-6950-vs-radeon-5870-all-overclocked-review-crysis-warhead.html

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1085/pg7/gtx-570-vs-radeon-6970-and-6950-vs-radeon-5870-all-overclocked-review-bad-company-2.html

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1085/pg10/gtx-570-vs-radeon-6970-and-6950-vs-radeon-5870-all-overclocked-review-f1-2010.html

The only place the 5870 loses out are in applications that use extreme amounts of tessellation.

Look I might be coming off as over reacting which I guess is my mistake. 5870 is a great card by all means but I just think AMD could have done a bit better job delaying it a little and improve the tesselation performance.

Look I might be coming off as over reacting which I guess is my mistake. 5870 is a great card by all means but I just think AMD could have done a bit better job delaying it a little and improve the tesselation performance.

Gambler_3

I don't anyone would disagree with that, but it's only in very specific scenarios when that shortcoming comes to light (notice the 5870 does great in the f1 benchmark that uses more moderate amounts of tessellation than say unigine).

5870 does so well in the original crysis, goes to show how much raw power it has. If only it had better tessellation performance I believe it could have rivaled 8800GTX as one of those cards way ahead of their time, but thats not gonna be the case.