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#1 California74
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my system is 23in samsung HDTV    720P  Time warner cable using DVI to HDMI cable link. Some channels look better than others. i always thought HD would be more clearer and sharper. Sometimes i see a lot of the same blur that you would see in a compressed JPEG image. Overall i think HD is just plain ok.  what do you guys think of HDTV? 
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#2 ballerking
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Thats because most channels are in sd 480i there for you get that blur or static effect when you watch those channels on a hdtv but in 2008, mostly every channel is going to be in hd and hopefully that get rid of those effects.

Other then that, it really doesn't bothers me as i don't watch tv that much.
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#3 Varese_basic
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yea 270i programs are gonna look worse on HDTV than a regular TV.
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#4 monoamine
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Uhh...I can't really tell from your post, but are you sure you are watching HD channels? If you aren't...well, no crap they don't look all that great.
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#5 California74
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Thats because most channels are in sd 480i there for you get that blur or static effect when you watch those channels on a hdtv but in 2008, mostly every channel is going to be in hd and hopefully that get rid of those effects.

Other then that, it really doesn't bothers me as i don't watch tv that much.ballerking

no i mean the HD channels get that effect

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#6 monoamine
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Some of my HD channels look fantastic (ironically enough the CW) while others have a lot of motion blur (a lot of stuff on PBS). What cable/satelite company do you have?
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#7 California74
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i have Time Warner cable
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[QUOTE="ballerking"]Thats because most channels are in sd 480i there for you get that blur or static effect when you watch those channels on a hdtv but in 2008, mostly every channel is going to be in hd and hopefully that get rid of those effects.

Other then that, it really doesn't bothers me as i don't watch tv that much.

Doesn't mean all the channels are going to be hd. It just means their all going to be digital. So they can still be 480i, just digital And I think its been pushed back to 2009
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just watch Discovery HD and stop complaining
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#10 monoamine
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i have Time Warner cableCalifornia74
I'm not really sure why I asked that because it wouldn't make any difference to me (although someone else might know) 1. Are you confusing digital with HD? All HD channels are digital, but not all digital channels are HD. For example, all my channels are digital, but only five or six are HD. (I'm using the definition of a "HD" as a resolution of 720 i/p or 1080 i/p. A few morons call 480p "HD") 2. Does your eyesight suck? (Or do you think the Wii has good graphics?)
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#11 California74
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[QUOTE="California74"]i have Time Warner cablemonoamine
I'm not really sure why I asked that because it wouldn't make any difference to me (although someone else might know) 1. Are you confusing digital with HD? All HD channels are digital, but not all digital channels are HD. For example, all my channels are digital, but only five or six are HD. (I'm using the definition of a "HD" as a resolution of 720 i/p or 1080 i/p. A few morons call 480p "HD") 2. Does your eyesight suck? (Or do you think the Wii has good graphics?)

im talking about HD channels.  720p   i have like 10 channels

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#12 monoamine
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I dunno then. Either you have extremely poor taste in visuals and/or bad eyesight then. Watching SD makes me want to puke now.
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#13 California74
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need a puke bag?
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With some tv's, LCD espeacially, You will see motion artifacting. This is due to two things.

1. The main reason is due to MPEG2 compression and a relatively low bitrate

2. Internal TV circuitry not compensating for motion well. (Progressive scan can be very difficult for some TV's as such a high screen resolution)

Plasma and DLP have a much cleaner picture than LCD TV's. LCD's images look very pixelated compared to other technologies. I'd still take HD over SDTV anyday. The colors are more dramatic, There's more detail, and their is no flicker due to interlacing.

just watch Discovery HD and stop complainingXboxUnderground

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my system is 23in samsung HDTV 720P Time warner cable using DVI to HDMI cable link. Some channels look better than others.California74


Welcome to the world of HD.

The quality of channels depends entirely on the network and service provider. Your location is just as important as your equipment. If your local network is running at low power without a great deal of HD experience then you will have issues. Some shows come straight from network HQ and don't look particularly good. That depends on how it was filmed and how the network HQ is broadcasting the signal.

If your local TWC modifies the signal or doesn't allocate a large amount of bandwidth to a channel you will have image quality issues.

For example: my local NBC station has been upgrading their HD transmission equipment constantly to improve the signal quality over the past year. My local CBS station has had the equipment in place for 5 years and they have few problems with the signal quality.
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#16 SDog624
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 HD is beautiful! I think maybe your tv is too small to notice a difference, or your not even watching HD channels.  I have charter HD cable and theres a difference between channels. for example, channel 4 is the regular local CBS channel, but channel 784 is  CBS HD.
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#17 donalbane
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Satellite offers a MUCH more robust HD package with higher quality (1080i) channels. If you're not in contract, make the switch. Or better yet, get Verizon's TV service... it's internet based, cheap, and really high tech from what I understand. It combines internet functionality with television... sounds really cool, but I havn't tried it myself (not offered in my area, or I'd get it in a second.)
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With TW I have found Discovery HD to be the best and most consistent HD Channel. Most of the local HD channels suck. After watching 1080p bluray and HD-DVD's I have a hard time going back to HD cable.
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#19 ramey70
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Satellite offers a MUCH more robust HD package with higher quality (1080i) channels. If you're not in contract, make the switch. Or better yet, get Verizon's TV service... it's internet based, cheap, and really high tech from what I understand. It combines internet functionality with television... sounds really cool, but I havn't tried it myself (not offered in my area, or I'd get it in a second.)donalbane
I have the Verizon Fios TV service you are talking about and it's phenomenal. They run a direct fiber optic line from the street to your house. There is never a reduction to analog anywhere in the pipeline. My internet connection with them is 15mbps, yes that's fifteen mbps. I get all movie channels, 15mbps internet, and HD-DVR, two digital boxes, and a great selection of HD channels for only about $130 a month. It's really not a bad deal.
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#20 donalbane
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I'm so jealous... I live in Bumblefuc* TX and don't have optical lines. 15mbps and 2 tuners for 130 is a great deal... I pay $115 for 5mbps and crappy sd cable (no HD in my area either. I want to cry now.
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#21 ramey70
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Hmmmm,  I'm actually in Keller, Texas.  It's already available in Southlake, Grapevine, Colleyville, and some parts of Dallas and Fort Worth.   Maybe it's coming to you in the near future.
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#22 donalbane
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Hmmmm,  I'm actually in Keller, Texas.  It's already available in Southlake, Grapevine, Colleyville, and some parts of Dallas and Fort Worth.   Maybe it's coming to you in the near future.ramey70
It's in Denton, where I live... but not my crummy neighborhood. BAH!
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#23 Kodai_kun
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Definately your cable provider is overcompressing, and your TV is far too small for you to tell thedifference between HD and SD REally noticeable differences for the average joe start around 36" If you buy a quality LCD TV(hint, quality TVs are not made in that small a size, they're meant for junior's bedroom), motion artifacts on newer models have been virtually eliminated