nVidia has something up there sleeve ...

I personally wouldn't buy a HD5850/HD5870 card. They are the first DX11 cards and everybody is excited but I say wait and see what nVidia has to offer then make your decision.

Sure the technical specifications are staggering.

Over 2 billion transistors, nearly 3 teraflops of power, and its based on 40nm technology.

The thing is that it beats the GTX 285 but not by a huge margin. ATI cards have used GDDR4/5 for a while now while nVidia has kept up with them and even beat them using GDDR3. Now imagine if nVidia shifts over to GDDR5 and doubles the stream processors and transistors of the GTX 285? What will happen then?

I personally wouldn't buy a HD5850/HD5870 card. They are the first DX11 cards and everybody is excited but I say wait and see what nVidia has to offer then make your decision.

Sure the technical specifications are staggering.

Over 2 billion transistors, nearly 3 teraflops of power, and its based on 40nm technology.

The thing is that it beats the GTX 285 but not by a huge margin. ATI cards have used GDDR4/5 for a while now while nVidia has kept up with them and even beat them using GDDR3. Now imagine if nVidia shifts over to GDDR5 and doubles the stream processors and transistors of the GTX 285? What will happen then?

nVidiaGaMer

I agree that when Nvidia does finally come out with GT300, it's going to be a really good performer. The question is... when is that going to be? And how much is it going to cost them to make it?.. Because that cost trickles down to us, the buyer.

As of less than 2 weeks ago, Nvidia's chip yields on the GT300 are reported to be less than 2% successful so far. That means that for every 500 GPUs that TSMC tries to make using Nvidia's GT300 specifications, they're getting less than 10 good chips. That's REALLY, I mean SCARY bad. Unless they and TSMC get it together really fast, this is going to be a VERY expensive product to put to market, and also to buy!

and about 600$ =D

nvidia may or may not have something up their sleeve to combat ATI with, but with what we currently know, whatever they are going to have will cost so much its not even worth bothering to consider, according to these reports. They arent likely to meet demands until mid next year. By then ATI will probably have a 5890 OC or something to compete heavily with.

I think this round goes to ATI with nVidia having little chance at retaliation. Personally i prefer it that way as nVidia has taken up a fair chunk of marketshare. A little stiff competition helps the consumer out in the end.

and about 600$ =D

arya24

nvidia may or may not have something up their sleeve to combat ATI with, but with what we currently know, whatever they are going to have will cost so much its not even worth bothering to consider, according to these reports. They arent likely to meet demands until mid next year. By then ATI will probably have a 5890 OC or something to compete heavily with.

I think this round goes to ATI with nVidia having little chance at retaliation. Personally i prefer it that way as nVidia has taken up a fair chunk of marketshare. A little stiff competition helps the consumer out in the end.

XaosII

I agree. Competition is always good for us. I did not expect to see something outperform an 8800ultra for under $100 within three years, but ATI got competitive.

I personally wouldn't buy a HD5850/HD5870 card. They are the first DX11 cards and everybody is excited but I say wait and see what nVidia has to offer then make your decision.

Sure the technical specifications are staggering.

Over 2 billion transistors, nearly 3 teraflops of power, and its based on 40nm technology.

The thing is that it beats the GTX 285 but not by a huge margin. ATI cards have used GDDR4/5 for a while now while nVidia has kept up with them and even beat them using GDDR3. Now imagine if nVidia shifts over to GDDR5 and doubles the stream processors and transistors of the GTX 285? What will happen then?

nVidiaGaMer

Aren't Nvidia using GRRD5 in their next cards as just a measure of lowering production costs?

I feel bad for you Nvidia guys out there. Hopefully you can stretch your 295 GTXs a bit longer.

[QUOTE="UltimateGamer95"]

I feel bad for you Nvidia guys out there. Hopefully you can stretch your 295 GTXs a bit longer.

magicalclick

If the GTX 295 drops to around $300 then it'll be a better deal then the HD 5870 assuming you leave DX11 out of the picture and look at current benchmarks.

I feel bad for you Nvidia guys out there. Hopefully you can stretch your 295 GTXs a bit longer.

UltimateGamer95

I really hope Nvidia somehow manages to release a price/performance competitive card soon to compete with the 5870. I swore that I would never spend more than $300 on a video card again, but the only thing that Nvidia has that will hang with the 5870 is a GTX295, which is a power-hungry beast!! I could run a 5870 on my PSU, but I can't even safely run a GTX 285 on it! Nvidia needs to get their 40nm technology together right quickly, because I really don't feel like upgrading my PSU when I see something from ATI that is THAT beastly on the market RIGHT NOW.

What the hell are you talking about. The 5870 is better than 295 in some benchies.

What the hell are you talking about. The 5870 is better than 295 in some benchies.

balla4162

Who is this directed at?

Not just that. Based on VRZONE's roadmap, there will be 5870x2 and 5890in Q4. Buying 5870 now and then to later find out 5890 in a couple months sounds like getting kicked in the rear.

I'll be sticking it out with my 8800GT until there's a DX11 price drop.

I'll be sticking it out with my 8800GT until there's a DX11 price drop.

NoAssKicker47

I'll be sticking it out with my 8800GT until there's a DX11 price drop.

NoAssKicker47

well look at your username...of course you would buy an ati cardNSR34GTR

The opinion of this person is null and void to me, as he is greatly misinformed about computer processors so he must be uninformed of video cards as well.

[QUOTE="NSR34GTR"]well look at your username...of course you would buy an ati cardSlig0

The opinion of this person is null and void to me, as he is greatly misinformed about computer processors so he must be uninformed of video cards as well.

Ohhhhhhh the ironyyyyyyy!

[QUOTE="Slig0"]

[QUOTE="NSR34GTR"]well look at your username...of course you would buy an ati cardNokanhav

The opinion of this person is null and void to me, as he is greatly misinformed about computer processors so he must be uninformed of video cards as well.

Ohhhhhhh the ironyyyyyyy!

This is another example.

Well, I just bought two 5870's for crossfire, and couldn't be happier. Anyone telling you to wait for Nvidia's cards aren't seeing the whole picture, that when they are released ATI will already have the X2, and 5890 released.

Check out some of the benchmark results I got in this thread:http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/270824-33-both-5870-updated-benchies

Well, I just bought two 5870's for crossfire, and couldn't be happier. Anyone telling you to wait for Nvidia's cards aren't seeing the whole picture, that when they are released ATI will already have the X2, and 5890 released.

Check out some of the benchmark results I got in this thread:http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/270824-33-both-5870-updated-benchies

annisman1

[QUOTE="annisman1"]

Well, I just bought two 5870's for crossfire, and couldn't be happier. Anyone telling you to wait for Nvidia's cards aren't seeing the whole picture, that when they are released ATI will already have the X2, and 5890 released.

Check out some of the benchmark results I got in this thread:http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/270824-33-both-5870-updated-benchies

UltimateGamer95

yeah, it's the cosmos, I managed to squueze 9 X 120mm fans in there for cooling.

Well, I just bought two 5870's for crossfire, and couldn't be happier. Anyone telling you to wait for Nvidia's cards aren't seeing the whole picture, that when they are released ATI will already have the X2, and 5890 released.

annisman1

That's a really nice-looking rig. I'm sure it performs decently too :P. I wouldn't go so far as to say that "anyone telling you to wait for Nvidia's card aren't seeing the whole picture," though. I'm probably going to wait, but not necessarily because I think GT300 is going to be a comparable price/performance product. I'm waiting because my current GPU does the job for me at my resolution, and if I buy a 5870 now, I might be missing out on price cuts that will come when the rest of the ATI/new Nvidia lineup shows up.