Nvidia, Intel & AMD ... Very Dissapointing

the amd 955 and 965 are GREAT

sorry intel tried to create something better and push tech forward even though we dont need it. heck why dont we start trashing ferraris for being faster than needed.

Hi I believe the core 2 e8000 series from Intel was released

before the e7000 series. Much like i7 before i5 and i3.

meh, do you feel better now?

the amd 955 and 965 are GREAT

arya24

Oh, and one more thing. Most people don't get that 9800GT is a much better card than 8800. This is because it has a newer chip, but when you see benchmark results are the same you immediately draw your conclusion based on that. 9800 is a much more stable card, uses less power and produces less heat, and I have had both cards and 9800 is really kicking.

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the amd 955 and 965 are GREAT

Slig0

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This is blog material.

Lol Nvidia had little competition from ATI from the 8 series til the GTX series, it would make sense for them to rename the slightly improved 8 series into the 9 series using existing technology since ATI didn't push them enough to have to create a new architecture. This is why I don't get why your bashing Intel for making the i7 line, over kill ? Perhaps, but necessary for competition between AMD that pushes the performance/price higher. You blame Nvidia for not advancing technology enough then you blame Intel for doing the complete opposite by introducing new tech, a bit hypocritical. Which brings us to your rant on AMD. Leave the CPU market ? You may not be familiar with the term Market Segmentation, AMD knows they don't have to win in the pure performance factor, so they offer the best bang for the buck in the Phenom II X4's. Then what's worst is you were just saying how the i7 is overkill but you want AMD to match it ?? You basically just said screw all the essential PC component manufacturers, but your reasoning behind your argument is flawed and full of fallacies.WWII_Warrior

I couldn't have said it better. +1

AMD needs an answer for the Q9000 series and the Core i7, and they need it fast.

You see, and then I get the moderation for getting angry with BS such as this!

After taking a 4 or so year break from gaming and computers in general, i'm back and what I'm seeing is not pretty. All 3 companies should be ashamed of themselves. Nvidia - Nvidia really fell off the wagon after the Geforce 8 series. Why was the G92 released as an 8 series card? Why are there now 3 lines of Geforce video cards featuring the G92? These are the questions that nobody seem's to have an answer for, including Nvidia. We have the 8800GT and the entire mid-rang to high-range 9 series and the GTS 250 all using the same GPU. Am I the only one who thinks Nvidia have lost there minds? The 8800GT is nearly on par with the 9800GTX minus a few texture units and less shader processors (8 less & 16 less) as well as slightly lower clock speeds (Nothing a little overclock cant fix). This is unacceptable. Why was the 8800GT released with a 9 series GPU. Why did Nvidia purposely spoil there Geforce 9 series by releasing the G92 so early in the form of the 8800GT. The 8800GT would have easily done fine using a G80 GPU. ATI completely blows Nvidia out of the water price-range wise. ATI's top GPU's are offered at half the price Nvidia's are, not to mention ATI's high-end cards are on par with the GTX 260 and GTX 275 cards, possibly even the GTX 280 in some cases. The GTX series is what the 9 series should have been in my opinion. Intel - While Intel is doing better than AMD, there Core 2 Duo series of CPU's are complete junk. After the e6000 series of Core 2 Duo's, Intel really crapped out. The e7000 series are horrible to be honest, featuring a full 1MB less cache than the e6000 series and twice as less cache as the e8000 series coming in at 6MB of cache. The e7000 series are a complete waste of time and the e8000 series were only created to make up for the complete suckage that the e7000 series is. Now we have the Core i7? Software, games etc. are barely taking advantage of dual core, let alone quad core. But now Intel is releasing an entirely new chip with more power than any PC will need for YEARS to come. Not to mention the Core i7 aren't benching well in alot of newer games, BECAUSE NONE OF THEM NEED THE POWER. I dont understand why Intel is spending ridiculous amounts of money to create CPU's that nobody needs. the Q9000 series are more than capable of doing anything the Core i7 can. Anyone purchasing a Core i7 is a sucker. AMD - I don't know what to say for AMD. After the Athlon x2 series of CPU's AMD really went to complete ****. Intel completely blows them out of the water in every way. The Phenom II X4 Quad Core CPU's are junk compared to Intel's mid-range to high end Quad Core's and Intel blows them out of the water Dual Core wise as well. Maybe it was the merge with ATI that left AMD unable to think straight and create a CPU comparable anything Intel offer's. Im starting to think AMD should stick to creating GPU's and leave the CPU market. Hell, they might not have to, Intel might do it for them. AMD needs an answer for the Q9000 series and the Core i7, and they need it fast. On a high note, AMD has impressed me GPU wise. There 4800 series of GPU's are really in a class

of there own when it comes to price/performance ratio and they still got a couple card's for the AGP user's (unlike Nvidia). My top 3 picks from each company (Even tho all suck badly lately): Nvidia Geforce GTX 275 ($220) Intel Core 2 Quad Q9400 2.66Ghz ($190) AMD Phenom II x3 720 Black Edition ($120)DarthIntel

1. Nvidia made the 9 series as a rehash of g92 gpus because their gt200 chip wasnt ready and they had no more room with 8800 (there are TONS of 8800 cards).

2. Core 2 duo is not crap, e7000 was never meant to replace e6600 that was e8000`s job (just like q6000 is better than q8000.) And you criticise intel for being ahead of all software....what are they going to doÉ just hold back the best processors in the world until we actualy need them, in my opinon that would deserve much more criticisim than release a very powerful processor.

3. Good thing you didn`t see AMD before they released the pII cpus, most would agree that with pII they have climbeb back into respectability and now actualy have a near top tier processors. FYI the pII 955 is just as good if not better than any q9000 processor.

Can`t understand your disapointment in the hardware industry, they`re doing great imo, low prices and powerful hardware how can you go wrong?

if anything you should be disapointed in the software devs since they don`t care about the pc anymore, the fact is that most gaming pcs are overpowered now so devs just make crappy console ports knowing the overpowered pcs will be able to run them, that`s why i don`t see myself upgrading from my single 9800gtx in a long time.

Oh, and one more thing. Most people don't get that 9800GT is a much better card than 8800. This is because it has a newer chip, but when you see benchmark results are the same you immediately draw your conclusion based on that. 9800 is a much more stable card, uses less power and produces less heat, and I have had both cards and 9800 is really kicking.

Slig0

Only some 9800gt are better, most are just rebranded 8800gt cards.

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Oh, and one more thing. Most people don't get that 9800GT is a much better card than 8800. This is because it has a newer chip, but when you see benchmark results are the same you immediately draw your conclusion based on that. 9800 is a much more stable card, uses less power and produces less heat, and I have had both cards and 9800 is really kicking.

goleafsguy

Only some 9800gt are better, most are just rebranded 8800gt cards.

You see, that is the false opinion that is spreading. Just because it has the same performance doesn't mean it is the same card. None of the 9800's are same as 8800 because they, as I remember, use 55nm chips which doesn't make them stronger, but makes them a lot cooler. My 8800 for example would hit 90~100 regularly, while it would be hard to push 9800 over 60, which is a huge advantage.

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Oh, and one more thing. Most people don't get that 9800GT is a much better card than 8800. This is because it has a newer chip, but when you see benchmark results are the same you immediately draw your conclusion based on that. 9800 is a much more stable card, uses less power and produces less heat, and I have had both cards and 9800 is really kicking.

Slig0

Only some 9800gt are better, most are just rebranded 8800gt cards.

You see, that is the false opinion that is spreading. Just because it has the same performance doesn't mean it is the same card. None of the 9800's are same as 8800 because they, as I remember, use 55nm chips which doesn't make them stronger, but makes them a lot cooler. My 8800 for example would hit 90~100 regularly, while it would be hard to push 9800 over 60, which is a huge advantage.

No only some of them are better, many 9800gt cards are literally 8800gt cards branded as 9800gt cards with no upgrades at all.

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Only some 9800gt are better, most are just rebranded 8800gt cards.

goleafsguy

You see, that is the false opinion that is spreading. Just because it has the same performance doesn't mean it is the same card. None of the 9800's are same as 8800 because they, as I remember, use 55nm chips which doesn't make them stronger, but makes them a lot cooler. My 8800 for example would hit 90~100 regularly, while it would be hard to push 9800 over 60, which is a huge advantage.

No only some of them are better, many 9800gt cards are literally 8800gt cards branded as 9800gt cards with no upgrades at all.

Thank you, that is new to me. Could you post a link to the example?

While it's hard to argue with the points you made about Nvidia's naming scheme (I have one of those early G92 cards in the 8-series.. that's on par with a high-end 9-series card), I have to disagree with your appraisal of Intel and AMD.

The Intel Core 2 Duo has been widely-regarded as one of the best CPUs ever made. The fact that the line was released over 3 years ago and is still completely viable in high-end gaming systems is incredible.

Also.. the AMD Phenon II processors are a hell of a bang-for-the-buck when compared to the Intel i7's. You should do more research before completely going off on a rant like this..

The 9800 GT is the exact same card as the 8800 GT. The only difference is the game Nvidia played with the name.

Just like they did with the 8800 GS and 9600 GSO (well the 384 and 768MB versions, the 512 was a comletey different card but good ol Nvidia used the 9600 GSO name)

The 9800 GT is the exact same card as the 8800 GT. The only difference is the game Nvidia played with the name.

Just like they did with the 8800 GS and 9600 GSO (well the 384 and 768MB versions, the 512 was a comletey different card but good ol Nvidia used the 9600 GSO name)

opamando

At stock clock speeds, the 2 cards do perform exactly the same. However, the 9800gt's G92 GPU uses a 55nm fabrication process, versus the larger 65nm of the 8800gt. What this means is that an average 9800gt will need less power and generate less heat than an 8800gt, which allows for better overclockability. There are also a couple of other random differences in the feature set if you look up the 2 cards on the Nvidia website, but nothing that affects their gaming potential.

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The 9800 GT is the exact same card as the 8800 GT. The only difference is the game Nvidia played with the name.

Just like they did with the 8800 GS and 9600 GSO (well the 384 and 768MB versions, the 512 was a comletey different card but good ol Nvidia used the 9600 GSO name)

hartsickdiscipl

At stock clock speeds, the 2 cards do perform exactly the same. However, the 9800gt's G92 GPU uses a 55nm fabrication process, versus the larger 65nm of the 8800gt. What this means is that an average 9800gt will need less power and generate less heat than an 8800gt, which allows for better overclockability. There are also a couple of other random differences in the feature set if you look up the 2 cards on the Nvidia website, but nothing that affects their gaming potential.

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The 9800 GT is the exact same card as the 8800 GT. The only difference is the game Nvidia played with the name.

Just like they did with the 8800 GS and 9600 GSO (well the 384 and 768MB versions, the 512 was a comletey different card but good ol Nvidia used the 9600 GSO name)

opamando

At stock clock speeds, the 2 cards do perform exactly the same. However, the 9800gt's G92 GPU uses a 55nm fabrication process, versus the larger 65nm of the 8800gt. What this means is that an average 9800gt will need less power and generate less heat than an 8800gt, which allows for better overclockability. There are also a couple of other random differences in the feature set if you look up the 2 cards on the Nvidia website, but nothing that affects their gaming potential.

Listen, you're not going to get any argument from me that Nvidia's GPU-naming scheme is ridiculous these days. The fact that something called "8800 GTS 512" is actually just as fast as something called "9800 GTX" with a mild overclock is stupid.

However.. the fact is that they never actually did make a 55nm 8800gt. I know that 9800gt's were 65nm at first, but they finished as 55nm cards. This is a difference, and could make a difference in overclocking.

Listen, you're not going to get any argument from me that Nvidia's GPU-naming scheme is ridiculous these days. The fact that something called "8800 GTS 512" is actually just as fast as something called "9800 GTX" with a mild overclock is stupid.

However.. the fact is that they never actually did make a 55nm 8800gt. I know that 9800gt's were 65nm at first, but they finished as 55nm cards. This is a difference, and could make a difference in overclocking.

hartsickdiscipl

They should have had some 8900's. Nvidia should be on their 9 series now, the GTX 280's and such.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]Listen, you're not going to get any argument from me that Nvidia's GPU-naming scheme is ridiculous these days. The fact that something called "8800 GTS 512" is actually just as fast as something called "9800 GTX" with a mild overclock is stupid.

However.. the fact is that they never actually did make a 55nm 8800gt. I know that 9800gt's were 65nm at first, but they finished as 55nm cards. This is a difference, and could make a difference in overclocking.

opamando

They should have had some 8900's. Nvidia should be on their 9 series now, the GTX 280's and such.

I totally agree! They should've handled the naming the way they did with the 7800-->7900 series transition. Smaller fab process, slightly faster, better pricing. I don't know why they thought they should take the G92 and make a whole new series out of it.

sorry intel tried to create something better and push tech forward even though we dont need it. heck why dont we start trashing ferraris for being faster than needed.halokillerz

lol; Exactly

lol that be Great if we Start Trashing Ferrarri to make faster car then Ferari Enzo it don't need any to be faster then that it even illegal to drive that on street :)
for CPU it Different it sure my self i am a bit deceived of Phenom II X4 stock performances compare intel stock performances in several benchmark that show it and max oc of COre i7 D0 Stepping

But I really believe that Eventually perhaps in middle of year 2010 Phenom II X4 should release a new stepping along Phenom II X4 975 / 985 that would become much closer in general performances against Core i7 920 D0 stepping @ at 4.2ghz :P and make peopel buy there thing enthusiast people want the best

But Definitely this guy is Trash-talking the 3 major brand ? and say very disappointing there nothing to be disappoint more then we should have expect more performances from core i7 / Phenom II X4 but that life eventually thing much more greater will become Core i9 then Intel SandyBridge / AMD Bulldozer

he should post often in system war he would be having lot of fun there if he could post at level 1 with 1 post a such comment he is born to go in system war

The OP hasn't even bothered posting, so wth are you people ranting about ?

Yeah.. he haven't repost. that what i said. it go pretty much useless anyway if he would repost this topic would have 150 thread in 20 hour anyway

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