Oblivion an over-rated mess of a game???

Yes, although I haven't played through all of it, Oblivion is still a very overrated and quite unpolished game in my opinion. Very disappointing considering the hype and reviews surrounding it.

Oh well, I won my copy in a competition so at least I didn't waste my money!!

it has its faults - the main quest is too short and tedious, the oblivion plains are too similar, the levelling system is a mess and lack of voice actors is painfully apparent, as is the wooden-ness of most of them (take a bow sean bean).

but i did enjoy quite a lot of it, it just could have been better. doesnt warrant all the hype it got, but likewise doesnt deserve all the criticism it seems to get these days

Yes, although I haven't played through all of it, Oblivion is still a very overrated and quite unpolished game in my opinion. Very disappointing considering the hype and reviews surrounding it.

Oh well, I won my copy in a competition so at least I didn't waste my money!!

biggest_loser

Yeah, Oblivion was the biggest stinkbomb to hit the gaming community ever. It has 0 good aspects. df853

it is overrated...its not revolutionary by any means and its very much in morrowinds shadow. but its still a good game imho.

want a mess of an RPG? play two worlds. now theres a complete joke of a mess of a game. i tell ya i appreciated oblivion alot more after playing that crap. worst 20 quid i have spent on a game in a long long time.

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Yes, although I haven't played through all of it, Oblivion is still a very overrated and quite unpolished game in my opinion. Very disappointing considering the hype and reviews surrounding it.

Oh well, I won my copy in a competition so at least I didn't waste my money!!

NEOSPARKING

It was just a competition from the magazine PCPowerplay. I think I've forgotten what it was now lol.

I also won Condemned on a separate occasion - aren't I lucky? :P

Oblivion has a completely broken character development system, bland item pool, shoddy combat and awful dialogue and voice work.

But Oblivion also has a huge and beautiful world that conveys the beauty of nature in a way that nothing besides Crysis has managed.

As a roleplaying game, I think Oblivion is awful, but I spent over 200 hours playing the game and I had a great experience with it. The game's flaws far outweigh its qualities and it's painfully overrated, but it's an experience like no other and at the very least, it's a pleasure to simply explore the world.

Interesting you bring this topic up the day after Yahtzee drags the game through the mud.

It's an over-rated mess, but damn, I had some fun. I liked slashing my way through the dungeons and Oblivionland, and I like Sean Ben.

Oblivion is overated, console users wetting themselfs over it.

Baldures Gate, there's an RPG.

If it were, nobody would care. The fact that you are so passionate about hating it means it a great game and you are trying so desperately to convince yourselves that it isnt. If it werent great nobody would talk about it at all, like Temple of Elemental Evil for instance.

Say what you want, you know its true.

Oblivion is overated, console users wetting themselfs over it.

Baldures Gate, there's an RPG.

Kez1984

I loved the original BG for the PC. I need to reinstall 2 and 3 and play those someday....

If it were, nobody would care. The fact that you are so passionate about hating it means it a great game and you are trying so desperately to convince yourselves that it isnt. If it werent great nobody would talk about it at all, like Temple of Elemental Evil for instance.

Say what you want, you know its true.

RossRichard

So by that logic, if you hate infamous Hitler you actually love the old scalywag?

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If it were, nobody would care. The fact that you are so passionate about hating it means it a great game and you are trying so desperately to convince yourselves that it isnt. If it werent great nobody would talk about it at all, like Temple of Elemental Evil for instance.

Say what you want, you know its true.

Kez1984

So by that logic, if you hate infamous Hitler you actually love the old scalywag?

Those two can hardly be compared. We are talking about video games, not someone who murdered millions of people. Thats like comparing ET for the Atari 2600 to Jeffrey Dahmer. Stupid comparison stemming from no logical argument that makes sense.

Exactly, a negative and a positive, it's as dumb as your long winded paragraph.

Oblivion really was a terrible game:

• The main quest has a boring and forgettable story
• They made leveling up pointless
• NPCs behave like robots. They seem blissfully unaware that the gates of hell are opening and the world is coming to an end, which really detracts from any immersion.
• Only a handful of people did all of the voice work, and most of it is really stilted, wooden, and downright terrible.
• Despite the AI otherwise being really dumb and robotic, the town guards have godlike perception, and somehow always know when you are robbing or murdering someone. This is really annoying if you want to play as a thief or assassin character. The funny thing is that the terrible AI will come into play again in these instances. The town guards will chase you like killer robots, frequently running off cliffs in their attempts to get you.
• Exceedingly repetitive: most quests involve a cookie cutter oblivion gate or cave setting

It had beautiful graphics, and they created an expansive world to explore. But there's almost nothing worthwhile to do in the game. I like some of the quests for the Dark Brotherhood and the Thieves guild, but that was about it.

If it were, nobody would care. The fact that you are so passionate about hating it means it a great game and you are trying so desperately to convince yourselves that it isnt. If it werent great nobody would talk about it at all, like Temple of Elemental Evil for instance.

Say what you want, you know its true.

RossRichard

Temple of Elemental Evil (even un-patched and buggy as heck) is a thousand times better than generic Oblivion. It, unlike Oblivion, is an actual RPG. Imagine that! Bethesda isn't half the developer that Troika was. Unfortunately, Troika didn't produce the generic, mind numbing, shiny dreck that today's ADHD addled gamers so desperately crave so they a went out of business.

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If it were, nobody would care. The fact that you are so passionate about hating it means it a great game and you are trying so desperately to convince yourselves that it isnt. If it werent great nobody would talk about it at all, like Temple of Elemental Evil for instance.

Say what you want, you know its true.

RossRichard

So by that logic, if you hate infamous Hitler you actually love the old scalywag?

Those two can hardly be compared. We are talking about video games, not someone who murdered millions of people. Thats like comparing ET for the Atari 2600 to Jeffrey Dahmer. Stupid comparison stemming from no logical argument that makes sense.

You criticise his logic, but what you're arguing is just as ridiculous.

His passion is, if anything, a result of a sense of injustice - that the brainless masses so adore such a mediocre game while games with genuinely excellent roleplaying mechanics, games which aren't just pretty graphics, are shunned and the studios have to close.

See, no one talks about Temple of Elemental Evil because it didn't average over 90% at gamerankings.com, win a ton of GOTY awards and sell millions. Your argument makes absolutely no sense.

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If it were, nobody would care. The fact that you are so passionate about hating it means it a great game and you are trying so desperately to convince yourselves that it isnt. If it werent great nobody would talk about it at all, like Temple of Elemental Evil for instance.

Say what you want, you know its true.

fatshodan

So by that logic, if you hate infamous Hitler you actually love the old scalywag?

Those two can hardly be compared. We are talking about video games, not someone who murdered millions of people. Thats like comparing ET for the Atari 2600 to Jeffrey Dahmer. Stupid comparison stemming from no logical argument that makes sense.

You criticise his logic, but what you're arguing is just as ridiculous.

His passion is, if anything, a result of a sense of injustice - that the brainless masses so adore such a mediocre game while games with genuinely excellent roleplaying mechanics, games which aren't just pretty graphics, are shunned and the studios have to close.

See, no one talks about Temple of Elemental Evil because it didn't average over 90% at gamerankings.com, win a ton of GOTY awards and sell millions. Your argument makes absolutely no sense.

Regardless of your opinions, you cant change fact. Maybe Oblivion has something those other superior RPGs lack, thats why it sold so well, won awards and is generally regarded as one of the better RPGs that has come out in recent memory. That is fact, and like it or not thats just how it is. Maybe Im not as jaded because I still play the old RPGs, and I play real D and D from time to time. Maybe its because I can enjoy Oblivion while still enjoying Baldurs Gate, Planescape Torment, and Fallout. That may be why I dont understand the hate directed at Oblivion. Traditional RPGs will still be made, whether by the big studios or not. And usually these companies that go bankrupt and break up usually form other studios, like Obsidian for example.

But hating on a generally well-received and loved game and comparing it to one of history's most notorious mass murderers isnt going to change it. A better comparison would be you love hamburgers, everyone else loves pizza. You hate pizza!!! Pizza joints put good hamburger stands out of business!! Maybe you should make a hamburger yourself if thats how you feel.

Fable is much better than Oblivion

Oblivion may not be an RPG, but it's not that bad

Not every critic liked Oblivion. Gamespy only gave it an 80% and brought up many of the issues we discussed here. And from the tone of the review, you can tell the guy who wrote it really didn't think too much of it, and found it pretty disappointing.

http://xbox360.gamespy.com/xbox-360/the-elder-scrolls-iv-oblivion/698650p1.html

Maybe Oblivion has something those other superior RPGs lack, thats why it sold so well, won awards and is generally regarded as one of the better RPGs that has come out in recent memory.

RossRichard

Or maybe it's all thanks to the graphics and big levels + the mediocre diversity.

It has its flaws, but the main strength of Oblivion is the toolset behind it which is very powerful and easy to use. There is literally thousand of mods making it easy to customize the game in the way you want. Neverwinter nights series have taken a similar approach, if you ever played NWN than you know how bland is the original campaign, however go download some fan made modules and it become a whole new mind blowing experience rivaling some of the greatest rpg's titles. The community behind the tools are what make those games great.

I have Temple of Elemental Evil as well and let me tell you that the game is unbearable without the community made fix. That one particular game would most likely have became one hell of a success if it had a toolset.

In the end, yes maybe the game in its original form is overrated but its in no way a bad game when its fuelled by a community of mod makers.

One thing I don't understand is how some people hate Oblivion but love Morrowind. They are the same game. Both have fast travel (which, by the way, you DID NOT HAVE TO USE), sub-par main stories, and easy combat.mudflaps2001

Not me :). I hate the whole series (the only one I like from the series was Oblivion because of the graphics, well not like, but compared to the other Elder Scrools...). Gothic for me.

What's with all the hate? I had a ton of fun in Oblivion, some of the quests were really great. Especially the Assassin's guild quests, and Thieves guild.

I actually didn't' even play the main campaign, still haven't heh.

If it were, nobody would care. The fact that you are so passionate about hating it means it a great game and you are trying so desperately to convince yourselves that it isnt. If it werent great nobody would talk about it at all,

RossRichard

Wrong. I hate the game passionately because it was highly anticipated and was one of the most waited for RPG out there. For the casual crowd, it delivered, and for the RPG fans, it failed completely. It still gets a lot of praise today, I just want to balance the score.

Had it's problems but what game doesn't but I really liked Oblivion and the expansion, probably the best RPG I played in the 00's atleast anyways, not a fan of all this turn based combat or combat like KOTOR + Morrowinds sucked and Oblivion really nailed it.

Though DMM&M did it better, that game was a action FPS and not a RPG.

Had it's problems but what game doesn't but I really liked Oblivion and the expansion, probably the best RPG I played in the 00's atleast anyways, not a fan of all this turn based combat or combat like KOTOR + Morrowinds sucked and Oblivion really nailed it.

Though DMM&M did it better, that game was a action FPS and not a RPG.

Sot7thD

Translation: I don't like RPGs.

did it ever occur to you that some people actually like being able to click on a map and instantly go there? I think its much better than walking there. Its an OPTION if you dont like it, dont use it. Tauruslink

Alright, if you don't use it - there are no other forms of transportation. No guild teleportation, no silt striders, no boats, none of that. So the game loses even more points for that.

Alright, if you don't use it - there are no other forms of transportation. No guild teleportation, no silt striders, no boats, none of that. So the game loses even more points for that.

GodLovesDead

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Alright, if you don't use it - there are no other forms of transportation. No guild teleportation, no silt striders, no boats, none of that. So the game loses even more points for that.

mudflaps2001

If you can't see the difference, then it's really apparent why you wouldn't find Morrowind superior to Oblivion (not making assumptions, but if I were to guess....)

I can't think of any other game that has combat, ai or graphics quite like Oblivion's.

Spoonoop

The combat is repetitive sword swinging and button mashing really.

The AI ranges from psychic - like the guards that appear from nowhere - to just plain dumb - with civilians having no conception that their world is invaded by monsters.

The graphics are good yes, but the character faces are quite poor and the world just looks a little too clean for a place that is supposed to be in chaos - it is a surprisingly unimmersive world!!