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#1 ziv_ew
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is it ok to OC my HD4870 to 850Mhz gpu clock and 1200Mhz memory clock with the fan on 80-100% always?

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#2 swehunt
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is it ok to OC my HD4870 to 850Mhz gpu clock and 1200Mhz memory clock with the fan on 80-100% always?

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Why would you? What do you do on your PC that needs a HD4870 OC'ed around the clock? If youre having troubble on a specific game then you should OC it, if you run a benchmark you should OC it, if you want to know how many frames you can crunsh in crysis you should OC it for anything else the org downclock would be alot to fast. Why would you want to have the fan on 100% all the time?, you should only have the fan that high if you need it to, and without playing games you really dont need it at 100%.
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#3 ziv_ew
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i meant that whayl its OC that the fan is always on 100%
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#4 superclocked
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When you start getting framerate issues, go for it. I voided the lifetime warranty and voltmodded my G92's so I could FINALLY max out Crysis =)
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#5 ziv_ew
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what i askd if it can somehow damage the GPU crancking it up like that
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#6 superclocked
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I meant that while it's OC'ed, the fan is always on 100%ziv_ew
That's a good thing. nVidia's drivers don't increase the fan speed automatically, which is why so many of their cards died so quickly. I keep my fan speeds at 100% personally...
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#7 superclocked
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what i askd if it can somehow damage the GPU crancking it up like thatziv_ew
Cranking up the fan speed is what's keeping your GPU alive. If you meant cranking up the GPU's clock speed, then it depends on your max temps really. What are your temps like when your GPU is maxed?
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#8 ziv_ew
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how do i check it?
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what i askd if it can somehow damage the GPU crancking it up like thatziv_ew
As long as the GPU stays cool (I like to personally shoot for temps in the 70s and under, while gaming) you should not have any issues. Most GPUs today can play up into the 90s and flirt with 100s in temps at their stock speeds - though letting your cards run that hot isn't the best for them. Sometimes when you OC a card a ways, it may play flawlessly when the temps aren't too high, but when things start to get hotter you might notice your GPU is starting to artifact or maybe lock up. If that's ever the case, back off your OC some. If you want to crank your fan at 90-100% all the time, there's nothing wrong with it. It'll just be noisy and if the noise doesn't bother you, I don't see why you shouldn't do it. A suggestion would be to run FurMark and test your GPU with thier Stability Mode - monitor the temps and if your card can handle the OC around 80-90C (or at least the general max temp you usually get while gaming) without giving you issues, then you should have nothing to worry about.
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well i did a quick test with metro 2033 and its about 44C but the game has grafic gliches (black squers on the textures, streachd modles etc.)
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#11 neatfeatguy
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well i did a quick test with metro 2033 and its about 44C but the game has grafic gliches (black squers on the textures, streachd modles etc.)ziv_ew
Then your clock speeds are too high for what your card can support. Back off the OC some.
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#12 superclocked
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What OS are you using? ATI tool is supposed to work, but I'm not sure if it works with Win 7 or Vista. ATI abandoned the only card of theirs that I ever bought, the AGP HD4XXX series. They don't even have a driver download link on their site, since the drivers don't work =\
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#13 superclocked
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well i did a quick test with metro 2033 and its about 44C but the game has grafic gliches (black squers on the textures, streachd modles etc.)ziv_ew
44C is fine, so your GPU is likely not getting enough voltage for your overclock. Or it may be getting too much power, I'm not sure really. Either way, back off the overclock a bit...
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#14 swehunt
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i meant that whayl its OC that the fan is always on 100%ziv_ew
That depends on what your temps are, but if your card runs that hot without any headroom i wouldnt feal safe. High temps and the fan at 100% thats not a wise thing to do. The auto fan should be enough, it aims to cool the GPU/Vram when theyre to hot you gain nothing on fix the fan at 100%, or what i mean is that with the fan at 100% it will be so loud that you won't like to sit next to your PC while doing other things than gaming and the temps would be low when you run it idle but the load temps will be the same. Usally people fix the fan because they dont like the auto-setting letting the fan run high rpm and getting to loud not setting the fan at 100%. If you want lower idle temps then yes run the fan a hurricane settings but the stability under load wont be much affected by that.
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#15 ziv_ew
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ok did the furmark thig and its about 54C max

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btw im OCing with catalyst, but if theres enything better let me know
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#17 swehunt
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ok did the furmark thig and its about 54C max

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Thats insane, do you like it to be there? That GPU should run fine all up to 90c, i dont think it will cut out until you hit 115c! Theres no reason for you to have it on 100%, it'll work just as well in 85c as it does at 54c. Just curious, have you got earplugs? ;)
btw im OCing with catalyst, but if theres enything better let me knowziv_ew
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#18 ziv_ew
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i have a set of sennheiser HD 280 pro that block out most of the noise even when theres nuthing on the pc that makes sound, and i hear heavy mtal music most of the time so i dont hear when peopel are near me screaming at me.

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#19 superclocked
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That GPU should run fine all up to 90c, i dont think it will cut out until you hit 115c!swehunt
That depends on the stock voltage. The higher the voltage, the cooler you need to keep the GPU. Either way, in my experience, video cards don't last long at those temps...
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#20 swehunt
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[QUOTE="swehunt"]That GPU should run fine all up to 90c, i dont think it will cut out until you hit 115c!superclocked
That depends on the stock voltage. The higher the voltage, the cooler you need to keep the GPU. Either way, in my experience, video cards don't last long at those temps...

Nope, the higher voltage the hotter it'll run, just because you have higher voltage do not mean you'll have to keep it cooler. Many new highend cards do have load temps at 85c this isn't anything to take a bigger note from since they'll run perfect in thoose temps, but i agree keeping the temps 80c is great. 54c is worthless, the card won't funktion better or give you a higher framerate because you did decrease the temps from 75c to 54c. My point. The only thing you gain from keeping the fan at 100% is that you won't be able to speak with your friends outside your house. (Because of the hurricase inside it.)
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#21 superclocked
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just because you have higher voltage do not mean you'll have to keep it coolerswehunt
The smaller silicone is, the less electricity (and heat) it takes to melt it. That's why Moore's law will require using different materials to manufacture chips in the near future. Try running your CPU at the same speed, but increase the voltage to about 1.65v. See how long it'll last without a really nice cooling system...
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#22 swehunt
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[QUOTE="swehunt"]just because you have higher voltage do not mean you'll have to keep it coolersuperclocked
The smaller silicone is, the less electricity it takes to melt it. That's why Moore's law will require using different materials to manufacture chips in the near future. Try running your CPU at the same speed, but increase the voltage to about 1.65v. See how long it'll last without a really nice cooling system...

Lol, you don't know what you talk about, first we are talking about a GPU witch he won't be able to do anything to the core voltage without flashing bios, second why you cool things is because you want to keep the ressistance at a current stage as if the chip gets to hot it may become to melt. And at a stage the sillicone can leak but thats not because of the temperature but rather the core voltage. You really need to read on what i wrote again, if you keep the PU at normal temperature is perfectly well even if you have increased the core voltage or not.
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#23 superclocked
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Lol, you don't know what you talk about, first we are talking about a GPU witch he won't be able to do anything to the core voltage without flashing biosswehunt
Hmm, I soldered two resistors in parallel to IC's on each of my video cards to overvolt them to 1.22v... [QUOTE="swehunt"]second why you cool things is because you want to keep the ressistance at a current stage as if the chip gets to hot it may become to melt. And at a stage the sillicone can leak but thats not because of the temperature but rather the core voltage. You really need to read on what i wrote again, if you keep the PU at normal temperature is perfectly well even if you have increased the core voltage or not.

I don't think that we're understanding each other here. All silicon chips, transistors, etc. have voltage tolerances. You can't push 12v to a GPU just because you keep it under 115C. The increased voltage will degrade the chip. At lower voltages, the degradation won't be as bad, but it's still there...
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#24 swehunt
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[QUOTE="swehunt"]Lol, you don't know what you talk about, first we are talking about a GPU witch he won't be able to do anything to the core voltage without flashing biossuperclocked
Hmm, I soldered two resistors in parallel to IC's on each of my video cards to overvolt them to 1.22v... [QUOTE="swehunt"]second why you cool things is because you want to keep the ressistance at a current stage as if the chip gets to hot it may become to melt. And at a stage the sillicone can leak but thats not because of the temperature but rather the core voltage. You really need to read on what i wrote again, if you keep the PU at normal temperature is perfectly well even if you have increased the core voltage or not.

I don't think that we're understanding each other here. All silicon chips, transistors, etc. have voltage tolerances. You can't push 12v to a GPU just because you keep it under 115C. The increased voltage will degrade the chip. At lower voltages, the degradation won't be as bad, but it's still there...

Your rigth ;) You really seems comfused, neither me or noone else are talking about overvolting the HD4870 that TC own, it's olny you alone who talks about that. All PU's do degrade but the highest factor isn't thermal temperature, the major reason is the current core voltage running thru the chip, noone with experience in either PC hardware or knowlage in electronic will go against that. And stop twisting words, i have never said anything about passing tru 12v to his gpu, and 115c why would he want to run it at that? If you want to proove a point twisting word isn't giong to help you one single bit.
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#25 superclocked
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[QUOTE="swehunt"][QUOTE="superclocked"] [QUOTE="swehunt"]second why you cool things is because you want to keep the ressistance at a current stage as if the chip gets to hot it may become to melt. And at a stage the sillicone can leak but thats not because of the temperature but rather the core voltage. You really need to read on what i wrote again, if you keep the PU at normal temperature is perfectly well even if you have increased the core voltage or not.

I don't think that we're understanding each other here. All silicon chips, transistors, etc. have voltage tolerances. You can't push 12v to a GPU just because you keep it under 115C. The increased voltage will degrade the chip. At lower voltages, the degradation won't be as bad, but it's still there...

Your rigth ;) You really seems comfused, neither me or noone else are talking about overvolting the HD4870 that TC own, it's olny you alone who talks about that. All PU's do degrade but the highest factor isn't thermal temperature, the major reason is the current core voltage running thru the chip, noone with experience in either PC hardware or knowlage in electronic will go against that. And stop twisting words, i have never said anything about passing tru 12v to his gpu, and 115c why would he want to run it at that? If you want to proove a point twisting word isn't giong to help you one single bit.

*facepalm* Seriously, more insults? I tried... If nobody with PC or electronic knowledge will go against that, then why did you? I didn't twist any words by the way. I proved my point =\
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#26 swehunt
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*facepalm* Seriously, more insults? I tried... If nobody with PC or electronic knowledge will go against that, then why did you? I didn't twist any words by the way. I proved my point =\superclocked

You wrote: "Try running your CPU at the same speed, but increase the voltage to about 1.65v. See how long it'll last without a really nice cooling system..." and: "Hmm, I soldered two resistors in parallel to IC's on each of my video cards to overvolt them to 1.22v..." and: "All silicon chips, transistors, etc. have voltage tolerances. You can't push 12v to a GPU just because you keep it under 115C. The increased voltage will degrade the chip. At lower voltages, the degradation won't be as bad, but it's still there..."

Are you sure you wrote in the rigth thread? I havn't contradict anything i wrote, but you are mumbling without any connection to what the subject is, you havn't proven a point you mumble about some CPU vcore and frying some random chip...

The fact is still the same, even if you cool the PU to sub zero temperatures wont help if the silicone leak as it'll do if you overvolt it to much.

Temperature in the normal range is preffered and low temps is a good thing, but 40-50c temps isn't rly needed for such an OC the TC has, setting the fan to 100% makes no diffrence since when the card hits it's 3D clocks and start pumping FPS the fan on auto has the range to go up to 100% if it feel any need to do so, i don't kno why you're hooked up on this and what in earth has that to do with you frying your CPU with 1.65volts?

I'll say it again: The most noteable diffrence setting the fan to 100% has for the TC is that the fan will be loud while keeping the card very cool at 2D clocks and most likely be worn faster than it should when leaft on auto, at 3D clocks the card alredy can and will go on full if theres need to do so with the standard auto setting.

Can you elaborate what you really mean as to prove your point, you've written many things but not prooven your point. :)