OFP - Dragon Rising (pc) review; 8.1 from IGN UK (xbox360)

i think this is probably the first review for the pc version of Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising. check it out here. it's not much, but at least it's a piece of good news.

look, i know there are a number of Arma2 enthusiasts around here that are earnestly hoping this game would suck. personally, i hope it turns out great, but more importantly, i hope this game gets to be judged fairly in its own right. i think it deserves that much. :)

PS. IGN UK's review for the xbox360 version is out.

"more of a game then ARMA 2"

Sure:roll:

sigh..... i'm not about to defend a game i haven't started playing, but personally i think this enmity towards Dragon Rising is very stupid.

Will there be a demo?

TBH, I have never played a good game from Codemasters. I certainly won't be purchasing this game off faith alone, unless it receives a lot of reviews like this one.

there's supposed to be a pre-release demo, but i think they postpone it.

personally i'll wait and see how the majority of the reviews turn out to be before i buy it, so hopefully things will go well for Dragon Rising.

"more of a game then ARMA 2"

Sure:roll:

JangoWuzHere

I think it means, that ARMA 2 is a sim and OFP 2 is a game..

"more of a game then ARMA 2"

Sure:roll:

JangoWuzHere

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

"more of a game then ARMA 2"

Sure:roll:

mirautaj

I think it means, that ARMA 2 is a sim and OFP 2 is a game..

pretty much

"Let's face it, awe-inspiring in terms of depth and complexity ArmA II might be, it sometimes forgets it's actually a piece of entertainment, not a military training simulator. Dragon Rising never once forgets that it's ultimately meant to be fun, but any issue of it being dumbed down can be dismissed by all but the most obsessive realism nuts. Indeed, it's actually difficult to see how this game will succeed on the consoles"

[QUOTE="mirautaj"]

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

"more of a game then ARMA 2"

Sure:roll:

devious742

I think it means, that ARMA 2 is a sim and OFP 2 is a game..

pretty much

"Let's face it, awe-inspiring in terms of depth and complexity ArmA II might be, it sometimes forgets it's actually a piece of entertainment, not a military training simulator. Dragon Rising never once forgets that it's ultimately meant to be fun, but any issue of it being dumbed down can be dismissed by all but the most obsessive realism nuts. Indeed, it's actually difficult to see how this game will succeed on the consoles"

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

"more of a game then ARMA 2"

Sure:roll:

dakan45

actually thats what ppl want from a game like arma 2.. a war simulator.. what the reviewer is saying that they made it more accesible and dumbed down certain aspects to make it more "fun"..

i dont think the reviewer should say this game is more fun than the other especially when they are different..one caters to the hardcore..(Let's face it, awe-inspiring in terms of depth and complexity ArmA II) and the other caters to a more casual crowd (Concessions are made to the use of pads - radial menus, checkpoints that revive your comrades, and so on)(Dragon Rising makes this activity challenging but always pleasurable. It might be helping you out a bit too much at times with its life-giving checkpoints and magic syringes, but sometimes a bit of assistance isn't a bad thing. Some people will doubtless hate it, saying it's not a par on ArmA II)

[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

"more of a game then ARMA 2"

Sure:roll:

devious742

actually thats what ppl want from a game like arma 2.. a war simulator.. what the reviewer is saying that they made it more accesible and dumbed down certain aspects to make it more "fun"..

i dont think the reviewer should say this game is more fun than the other especially when they are different..one caters to the hardcore..(Let's face it, awe-inspiring in terms of depth and complexity ArmA II) and the other caters to a more casual crowd (Concessions are made to the use of pads - radial menus, checkpoints that revive your comrades, and so on)(Dragon Rising makes this activity challenging but always pleasurable. It might be helping you out a bit too much at times with its life-giving checkpoints and magic syringes, but sometimes a bit of assistance isn't a bad thing. Some people will doubtless hate it, saying it's not a par on ArmA II)

i don't think it's fair to call it "dumbed down". you said it yourself - they are different, so what's there to dumb down if there's nothing to compare? plus, the review - let's say it's credible for now - clearly stated that it has enough depth and realism to satisfy all but the most hardcore nuts.

It's a shame there are no mod tools. The only reason ofp was so amazing was because of those tools and it lasted along time with them. I doubt their monthly pay dlc will keep people around as long. The mission editor seems to very limited as well.

i don't think it's fair to call it "dumbed down". you said it yourself - they are different, so what's there to dumb down if there's nothing to compare?

Jinroh_basic

They dumb down the OFP franchise:) This is just a difficult shooter riding on the OFP name.

The original Xbox received a port of the full game in 2005 that wasn't dumbed down at all, and whose only problems were the dated graphics and sound.

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

"more of a game then ARMA 2"

Sure:roll:

dakan45

So lemme get this straight... You don't find arma 2 to look nice? First off, that's a surprise to me because I find it to be a beautiful game. Second, ArmA2 is very fun. Its not supposed to meant for the mainstream, right on the box it says "Ultimate Military Simulator". ArmA 2 is plenty playable and very customizable, OFP2 just tends to the console folk.

[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

"more of a game then ARMA 2"

Sure:roll:

simardbrad

So lemme get this straight... You don't find arma 2 to look nice? First off, that's a surprise to me because I find it to be a beautiful game. Second, ArmA2 is very fun. Its not supposed to meant for the mainstream, right on the box it says "Ultimate Military Simulator". ArmA 2 is plenty playable and very customizable, OFP2 just tends to the console folk.

I think we can all agree that ARMA II sucks. Dragon Rising is going to be the game that everyone wishes ARMA II was.

I think we can all agree that ARMA II sucks. Dragon Rising is going to be the game that everyone wishes ARMA II was.

archerus

"more of a game then ARMA 2"

Sure:roll:

JangoWuzHere

I think we can all agree that ARMA II sucks.

archerus

[QUOTE="archerus"]

I think we can all agree that ARMA II sucks.

Cdscottie

Just check the user score on arma 2.. if everyone can agree with the fact that far cry 2 sucks then arma 2 also sucks judging by the user score :lol:

[QUOTE="Cdscottie"][QUOTE="archerus"]

I think we can all agree that ARMA II sucks.

dakan45

Just check the user score on arma 2.. if everyone can agree with the fact that far cry 2 sucks then arma 2 also sucks judging by the user score :lol:

For example, CoD:MW. A game that has been praised by most players and reviewers. Personally, I strongly disliked the game and would rate it far below what the majority would. Does that mean the game sucks? No. Does that mean that EVERYONE will like the game because of other peoples opinions? No. In the end it all comes down to personal taste and some people will like it while others hate it.

I think we can all agree that ARMA II sucks. Dragon Rising is going to be the game that everyone wishes ARMA II was.archerus

I think the campaign needed more polish but that's it. Everything else that really matters about ARMA 2 (Mod tools, Missions Editor) is amazing work. I think a lot of people who jumped into ARMA 2 didn't know what they were getting into. People like me and my friends who played the original and Flashpoint knew what it was exactly and we enjoy it. Dragon Rising will probably be a good game and I will be getting it but it won't have a long lasting community without mod tools and that's the reason why the original Opflash lasted so long.

They said they were going to have downloadable content monthly in one magazine but you have to pay for it. I know where I will be going back to in the end, World of Warcraft. 8)

[QUOTE="dakan45"]

[QUOTE="Cdscottie"] Uh huh. Opinions are opinions so don't try to make it sound like what you say is factual. I have seen ARMA II in action and I enjoyed the little bit I have played. It caters to a different demographics, same as X3, Mount&Blade, and many other games. Just because you disliked it do to it not having the aspects you enjoy, doesn't mean that the game sucks, especially saying "Everyone" can agree with you....Cdscottie

Just check the user score on arma 2.. if everyone can agree with the fact that far cry 2 sucks then arma 2 also sucks judging by the user score :lol:

For example, CoD:MW. A game that has been praised by most players and reviewers. Personally, I strongly disliked the game and would rate it far below what the majority would. Does that mean the game sucks? No. Does that mean that EVERYONE will like the game because of other peoples opinions? No. In the end it all comes down to personal taste and some people will like it while others hate it.

Honestly I just hope this game blows COD MW2 out of the water by fun factor.

Honestly I just hope this game blows COD MW2 out of the water by fun factor.

Failtard

"and you don't have to chase important NPCs over several kilometres because they got spooked by a bit of gunfire. (All of which we've seen happen when we've played ArmA II.)"

Was that a bug in ARMA2? Oh man, that happened and I thought it was part of the mission, I followed one important NPC for over 2 hours, only to get shot and killed. I thought it was a pretty boring mission when doing that.
Friend came over and I went to show him the game. Just as I was saying "check this out for awesome", the AI crashed the helicopter into the tree. Hmm, think it's time to uninstall Arma2 and wish it goodbye.

OF2 lacks in some departments, as visuals and realism. But since is much less complex and ambitious compared to ArmA II, there's more chances that the number of bugs will be much lower, also. Still, is terrible to see that you can't even walk in the game -run is the default pace of movement-.

Besides the mistakes and glitches, I still can see ArmA II as the perfect example of how a PC game must be: the editor is almighty, the campaign is hard and the feeling of accomplishment in the sp and coop missions are much more rewarding than in some other shooters. When you clean a town or farm or forest without suffering casualties you're engulfing by a sense of pride!

"and you don't have to chase important NPCs over several kilometres because they got spooked by a bit of gunfire. (All of which we've seen happen when we've played ArmA II.)"

Was that a bug in ARMA2? Oh man, that happened and I thought it was part of the mission, I followed one important NPC for over 2 hours, only to get shot and killed. I thought it was a pretty boring mission when doing that.
Friend came over and I went to show him the game. Just as I was saying "check this out for awesome", the AI crashed the helicopter into the tree. Hmm, think it's time to uninstall Arma2 and wish it goodbye.

DigiTM73

:lol: Yeah i agree, or when the developers try to squezee some story out of the game when they make civilain npcs talk and you hear the civilan voice overs and your character and squad teammates talking with him....but all that does happen is you and your squad splitting around the map and shooting the enemies instead of talking to that npc.. another weird bug i believe

it's very sad to see all these people undermining a potentially great game before it's even released. so is this what a so called hardcore sim brought to the industry? biased hatred and disrespect? wow. then no thanks.

it's very sad to see all these people undermining a potentially great game before it's even released. so is this what a so called hardcore sim brought to the industry? biased hatred and disrespect? wow. then no thanks.

Jinroh_basic

there's supposed to be a pre-release demo, but i think they postpone it.

personally i'll wait and see how the majority of the reviews turn out to be before i buy it, so hopefully things will go well for Dragon Rising.

Jinroh_basic

it's very sad to see all these people undermining a potentially great game before it's even released. so is this what a so called hardcore sim brought to the industry? biased hatred and disrespect? wow. then no thanks.

Jinroh_basic

Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous. But these are the few Arma fanboys. Bet you a lot of people who like military sims and want something more polished will be out buying Dragon Rising. Myself included.

"more of a game then ARMA 2"

Sure:roll:

JangoWuzHere

[QUOTE="Cdscottie"]

[QUOTE="dakan45"]

Just check the user score on arma 2.. if everyone can agree with the fact that far cry 2 sucks then arma 2 also sucks judging by the user score :lol:

dakan45

For example, CoD:MW. A game that has been praised by most players and reviewers. Personally, I strongly disliked the game and would rate it far below what the majority would. Does that mean the game sucks? No. Does that mean that EVERYONE will like the game because of other peoples opinions? No. In the end it all comes down to personal taste and some people will like it while others hate it.

[QUOTE="Cdscottie"][QUOTE="archerus"]

I think we can all agree that ARMA II sucks.

dakan45

Just check the user score on arma 2.. if everyone can agree with the fact that far cry 2 sucks then arma 2 also sucks judging by the user score :lol:

[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="Cdscottie"] Again, comes down to personal opinion. Games that go out of the norm or are in a niche genre on their own will always get slammed by people who were expecting otherwise. I know I have purchased games that have been praised to the heavens expecting something else and then being sorely disappointed. Does that mean it is a bad game? Not by a long shot. Would that mean I'd rate it low? Depending on how my merits for a game stack up against what is presented in front of me.

For example, CoD:MW. A game that has been praised by most players and reviewers. Personally, I strongly disliked the game and would rate it far below what the majority would. Does that mean the game sucks? No. Does that mean that EVERYONE will like the game because of other peoples opinions? No. In the end it all comes down to personal taste and some people will like it while others hate it.

JangoWuzHere

[QUOTE="dakan45"]

[QUOTE="Cdscottie"] Uh huh. Opinions are opinions so don't try to make it sound like what you say is factual. I have seen ARMA II in action and I enjoyed the little bit I have played. It caters to a different demographics, same as X3, Mount&Blade, and many other games. Just because you disliked it do to it not having the aspects you enjoy, doesn't mean that the game sucks, especially saying "Everyone" can agree with you....KHAndAnime

Just check the user score on arma 2.. if everyone can agree with the fact that far cry 2 sucks then arma 2 also sucks judging by the user score :lol:

I really tried with Arma 2, but I just kept getting frustrated. I understand that the multiplayer is really where the game shines, but what I really look for in a sim is a good, length campaign. Arma 2's campain seemed like it was trying for a Call of Duty-esque thrillride story for some reason. Why do that?

If it's a sim, treat it like a sim; Give me mission objectives, waypoints, targets, a bit of backstory, and then send me on my way. It's a great, tried and true formula.