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#1 jazztrumpet5
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I'm currently running XP - it was installed when I bought a pre-made rig from Ibuypower or whatever it's called (yeah, those were the dark days before I learned to build my own). I've pretty much gutted the thing except for HDD and subsequently OS. Now, I'm going to make the upgrade to Vista. Here are a few questions:

1, I'm not certain, but I think my XP disc is toast. I tried loading it onto my Macbook Pro to use with Parallels and continually got an error preventing me to finish the install. I'm pretty sure that it's the disc (I previously had the same version of XP loaded on that laptop, but my HDD fried and I had to reinstall, so please don't come at me with any Mac hate - I'm sure that's not the case).

If the disc is toast, will I still be able to use the upgrade version of Vista? I didn't know if I would need it (the disc) for anything. My serial numbers are still good, I'm sure, and I have those, but I didn't know if, for any reason, I would need to validate or some other business using the original XP disc.

2. If I would need to buy the full version of Vista (not the upgrade), what is the downside to buying the OEM System Builders version from NewEgg? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116488

Since it's so cheap, I'm guessing there has to be a downside. If there is (or isn't), does anyone recommend that?

That's all for now. Thanks in advance for your help! 

(Edits for grammar) 

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#2 Sordidus
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To install XP on a SATA HDD you need to install the drivers from a floppy disk or have a motherboard where you can use IDE mode instead of AHCI.

The only difference of an OEM version is that you can only have one installation at a time.

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#3 CellAnimation
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1 - sure sounds like your media is dead if you can't install it via Parallels (to the guy above Parallel's is Mac virtulization software like VMWare, you don't need to install anything during the install to get it to work correctly). 2 - If you can get the OEM version go for it.
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#4 jazztrumpet5
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Thanks for the replies - I'm still wondering whether or not I will need the XP disc at any time if I buy the Vista upgrade disc, and what the issues with the System Builder OEM Vista might be (if there are any).
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#5 CellAnimation
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I use the OEM version as well as Dells version I've got no issue with either. I'm not sure why you think there would be issues? No idea about the upgrade though, I moved from a Mac to a PC so no upgrades here.
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The only reason I'm concerned with problems is because, well, the OEM System Builder version of Vista costs about $150 less than the retail version. My cynical consumer-pre-programmed mind tells me that if you pay that much less for something, there will be a few tradeoffs. I've never bought OEM, except for a DVD-RW drive, so I just don't know what to think. Plus, since the OEM version costs less than the retail UPGRADE, I thought I might pick it up. Especially since I can't install XP through Parallels on my Macbook (because of the bad disc) - I wouldn't be able to use the upgrade disc since I don't have XP already installed. I'm still wondering if there are any "catches" with the OEM System Builder Vista or any reason I would need the XP disc during installation of an upgrade disc.
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#7 X360PS3AMD05
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Never get an upgrade disc, this is what i've been told, just get the OEM and ditch XP. There was something about being limited to number of installs with the OEM disc but i think it's a bologna.
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There was something about being limited to number of installs with the OEM disc but i think it's a bologna. X360PS3AMD05
Can anyone verify/deny this?
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#9 jazztrumpet5
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I found this after Googling OEM Vista:
Install only once - no transfers allowed Another restriction of the OEM license is that after you install the software on one computer, you can't transfer it to another. If you want a copy of Vista you can install on one computer today and later use on a different computer, you must purchase a full-priced retail copy. If you replace the motherboard in your computer, you also can't continue to use the OEM copy of Windows Vista on it. Microsoft considers a motherboard such a significant component that, when you replace it, you have created a new computer. The OEM copy of the software will then fail the validation, and you should purchase a new license to continue using Vista. windowsaboutcom
That seems like a pretty big turnoff, and eliminates my options for installing Vista on my Mac as well. Has anyone tried this?
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I found this after Googling OEM Vista: [quote="windowsaboutcom"] Install only once - no transfers allowed Another restriction of the OEM license is that after you install the software on one computer, you can't transfer it to another. If you want a copy of Vista you can install on one computer today and later use on a different computer, you must purchase a full-priced retail copy. If you replace the motherboard in your computer, you also can't continue to use the OEM copy of Windows Vista on it. Microsoft considers a motherboard such a significant component that, when you replace it, you have created a new computer. The OEM copy of the software will then fail the validation, and you should purchase a new license to continue using Vista. jazztrumpet5
That seems like a pretty big turnoff, and eliminates my options for installing Vista on my Mac as well. Has anyone tried this?

OEM copy's that came with pre-builts are usually tied to the motherboard, or a motherboard from that specific company. Retail purchased OEM copy's are just like retail, just without the box, and without the 90 days of support.

I own 2 copy's of XP OEM and 1 copy of Vista OEM. They can be installed on as many PC as you like, as long as it is only on a single PC at any given time. I have switched motherboards with my OEM OS's multiple times. Worst case scenario is that you use all of your automatic activations and have to call MS to get a new key.

Now I think that MS worded the licensing so that they could restrict OEM to just one PC and one motherboard.  But when I have called to reactivate Windows. all they ask me is how many PC is this copy of Windows installed on.  They have never asked me if I am installing it on a different PC, or if I switched the motherboard, heck, I have told them that I switched motherboards before and they were just fine with it. 

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#11 jazztrumpet5
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That's reassuring, then. I'm still a little hesitant, but knowing that helps a little. Just a point of clarification - "Vista OEM and "Vista System Builders OEM": the same thing? Also, even thought I think you answered this by saying "as long as it is only on a single PC at any given time", I just wanted to make sure: it's impossible to have it on my PC and on my laptop at the same time? Thanks again.
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#12 knut-am
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a lot of nonsence here, sorry to say. a OEM verson of any *OS is simply a version of the OS ment to be sold ONLY with a new PC. the OS it selfe is just the same as a retail copy of the same OS but cheaper because it is to be sold as i said with a new PC. in theory. in practice many computer firm's sell or are willing to sell OEM versions of the OS without the PC.
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[QUOTE="jazztrumpet5"]That's reassuring, then. I'm still a little hesitant, but knowing that helps a little. Just a point of clarification - "Vista OEM and "Vista System Builders OEM": the same thing? Also, even thought I think you answered this by saying "as long as it is only on a single PC at any given time", I just wanted to make sure: it's impossible to have it on my PC and on my laptop at the same time? Thanks again.

If only one was ever used at the same time, or connected to the internet, you could probably do it. It would be against the license agreement though. And if they were connected to the internet at the same time, I think what would happen is your license would be branded "non-genuine" which would break windows updates. I have a copy of OEM XP from 2001, that I still use today. Unless MS changes policy, there is no risk buying OEM. I don't really see that happening, because the ones who are likely to buy OEM would balk at the full retail price, and would be more likely to pirate it if OEM was not available...