Ordered my 9800GTX.

i would think so. if you have good cooling you can get a big boost with overcloking.

The 9800GTX is definitely a better overclocker than the 4850. The 9800GTX is probably the best overclocking NVIDIA card I've owned. The 4850 on the other hand is dangerously hot on stock speeds. 9800GTX Overclocked > 4850 by a long shot.GodLovesDead

Ok, thanks for the input. Now the only thing I need is a new CPU.

9800GTX Overclocked > 4850 by a long shot.GodLovesDead

Not even close. You have to overclock the already overclocked 9800gtx XXX edition to equal the 4850 at stock. :)

[QUOTE="GodLovesDead"]9800GTX Overclocked > 4850 by a long shot.matrixian

Not even close. You have to overclock the already overclocked 9800gtx XXX edition to equal the 4850 at stock. :)

Depends on how much overclocking they did. My 9800GTX is faster than the 4850 in all of those benchmarks (and my CPU is much slower than the machine they tested it on).

The 9800GTX is definitely a better overclocker than the 4850. The 9800GTX is probably the best overclocking NVIDIA card I've owned. The 4850 on the other hand is dangerously hot on stock speeds. 9800GTX Overclocked > 4850 by a long shot.GodLovesDead

It is NOT HOT. Wow, the misinformation that runs rampant here. Change the fan speed = simple fix. The 4850 should OC to at least 675/1100, which isn't a large leap but it isn't bad either. I'm sure that the GTX probably has more headroom, though. That said, an overclocked GTX attains performance close to a stock HD4850.

[QUOTE="GodLovesDead"]The 9800GTX is definitely a better overclocker than the 4850. The 9800GTX is probably the best overclocking NVIDIA card I've owned. The 4850 on the other hand is dangerously hot on stock speeds. 9800GTX Overclocked > 4850 by a long shot.Staryoshi87

It is NOT HOT. Wow, the misinformation that runs rampant here. Change the fan speed = simple fix. The 4850 should OC to at least 675/1100, which isn't a large leap but it isn't bad either. I'm sure that the GTX probably has more headroom, though. That said, an overclocked GTX attains performance close to a stock HD4850.

heat and sound is a huge issue for me right now, i have no air conditiioning right now so my computer can get up to 100+ degrees (ambient) sometimes.. A dual sloted card would be much better for my situation, not only will the card itself keep cool, nut it might actually lower the ambient temps a bit thus cooling other compnents a bit. A small overclock on the 9800GTX with the fan on stock speeds will still keep everything cool, quiet and i will have about the same performance of a 4850. all i wanted to know is if i could reach the same speeds as the 4850 with a 9800GTX.

I just switched to the XFX 9800GTX Black Edition (I'm all about the lifetime warranty) and find it OC's very well. It ships with a 760MHz GPU, 1890MHz shaders, and 2288MHz memory. I've OC'ed mine to 800MHz GPU with 2000MHz Shaders, and 2326 MHz memory. The reference 9800's are 675MHz GPU, 1675MHz shader, and 2200 MHz. I managed to get close to 20% more juice out ot the GPU from reference. Then again, the Black Edition uses a great cooler which is why I got it. That way I get a great overclocker and lifetime warranty to boot. I've already read reviews of others who have sqeezed more out of the 9800GTX. I've read where many have OC'ed quite a bit with reference based, stock cooling. So your $150 will be money well spent.

On a sad note, the GTX+ has not shown to OC any more than a non + version. Kind of a rip off. But if you have an SLI board and want to go that route you cant beat the bang for the buck that a 9800GTX can give. If anything the 4850 and 4870 have made the 9800 an excellent choice for us SLI people. I think you'll like your 9800. I'm gonna get another one in a few weeks.

I ordered a 9800GTX at a very special price of 150 (yay discounts) Lilgunney612

Excellent price!

And enjoy your new card! :)

RAWR! Hasnt arrived yet. Note to self: 3 days shipping doesnt always mean it will arrive on the third day.

Im hoping on a monday-tuesday arrival. When i get it ill post some benchmarks and 3dmark scores :)

4850>9800GTX+. Nvidia came out with the GTX+ as a response to the 4850. Single 6-pin>dual 6-pin. X360PS3AMD05

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]4850>9800GTX+. Nvidia came out with the GTX+ as a response to the 4850. Single 6-pin>dual 6-pin. yoyo462001

I don't know what benchmarks you have seen but the GTX+ is only slightly better than the 4850 and the 4850 actually beats it in some tests. Also the 4850 does overclock very well when you use the fan fix or get a ASUS version which comes with smartdoctor. I have managed to get it to 690/1100 without any problems, so with a better cooler I would expect to take it even farther.

[QUOTE="yoyo462001"][QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]4850>9800GTX+. Nvidia came out with the GTX+ as a response to the 4850. Single 6-pin>dual 6-pin. com2006

I don't know what benchmarks you have seen but the GTX+ is only slightly better than the 4850 and the 4850 actually beats it in some tests. Also the 4850 does overclock very well when you use the fan fix or get a ASUS version which comes with smartdoctor. I have managed to get it to 690/1100 without any problems, so with a better cooler I would expect to take it even farther.

the 9800GTX+ is only slightly overclocked from the original.. Of course they are only going to be slightly better.

I manually overclock all of my video cards, i dont see the point in getting factory overclocked GPUs. Not only are they not a big leap from the vanilla card but they are also way more expensive.

Single 6-pin>dual 6-pin. X360PS3AMD05

How so? The more power you have leads to better overclocking (most of the time) and the 9800GTX from what i have seen has massive overclocking headroom.

Performance per watt, CPUs have reduced power consumption, while GPUs are going the other way. X360PS3AMD05

Because we are successfully shrinking the die on CPUs, for video cards its alot different and harder. We have been able to shrink the core a bit but nothing like what was done with CPUs.

I still dont see how dual six-pin connectors is a bad thing.. Bnehcmarks have shown that the 9800GTX only uses a few more watts at load than the 4850.

Well you have the same or better performance for 20-30W less :?X360PS3AMD05

Some of us have to pay the electric bills. HD4850 win.

Well you have the same or better performance for 20-30W less :?X360PS3AMD05

But much worse cooling and overclocking power. As i have stated before, my air conditioning went out and my computer runs fairly hot because of this. The 9800GTX has a dual slot cooler which will help push warm air out of my computer and overall keep the GPU cool. The single slot cooling on the 4850 would just spew hot air around my case and that is not good considering i want to overclock (heard that the 4850 can burn your fingers). I suppose i could increase the fan speed but that wouldnt do anything to help the rest of my system.

Even if i didnt get a 50 dollar discount on the 9800GTX i would have probably still gotten the 9800GTX.

[QUOTE="Staryoshi87"]

[QUOTE="GodLovesDead"]The 9800GTX is definitely a better overclocker than the 4850. The 9800GTX is probably the best overclocking NVIDIA card I've owned. The 4850 on the other hand is dangerously hot on stock speeds. 9800GTX Overclocked > 4850 by a long shot.Lilgunney612

It is NOT HOT. Wow, the misinformation that runs rampant here. Change the fan speed = simple fix. The 4850 should OC to at least 675/1100, which isn't a large leap but it isn't bad either. I'm sure that the GTX probably has more headroom, though. That said, an overclocked GTX attains performance close to a stock HD4850.

heat and sound is a huge issue for me right now, i have no air conditiioning right now so my computer can get up to 100+ degrees (ambient) sometimes.. A dual sloted card would be much better for my situation, not only will the card itself keep cool, nut it might actually lower the ambient temps a bit thus cooling other compnents a bit. A small overclock on the 9800GTX with the fan on stock speeds will still keep everything cool, quiet and i will have about the same performance of a 4850. all i wanted to know is if i could reach the same speeds as the 4850 with a 9800GTX.

My 4850 ran at 41c/54c after an OC beyond the figures I mentioned. You know, you can overclock the HD4850, too. OC'd HD4850 greater than OC'd 9800GTX in terms of power consumption, heat, and performance from my experience.

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]Well you have the same or better performance for 20-30W less :?Staryoshi87

Some of us have to pay the electric bills. HD4850 win.

yeah cause that extra 20 watts is really gunna brake my bank... assuming i never play any games.. ever..

thousands of dollars spent on computer parts and we are worried about a little extra power usage.. And from what ive seen load power usage is identical if not less than the 4850.

[QUOTE="Lilgunney612"][QUOTE="Staryoshi87"]

[QUOTE="GodLovesDead"]The 9800GTX is definitely a better overclocker than the 4850. The 9800GTX is probably the best overclocking NVIDIA card I've owned. The 4850 on the other hand is dangerously hot on stock speeds. 9800GTX Overclocked > 4850 by a long shot.Staryoshi87

It is NOT HOT. Wow, the misinformation that runs rampant here. Change the fan speed = simple fix. The 4850 should OC to at least 675/1100, which isn't a large leap but it isn't bad either. I'm sure that the GTX probably has more headroom, though. That said, an overclocked GTX attains performance close to a stock HD4850.

heat and sound is a huge issue for me right now, i have no air conditiioning right now so my computer can get up to 100+ degrees (ambient) sometimes.. A dual sloted card would be much better for my situation, not only will the card itself keep cool, nut it might actually lower the ambient temps a bit thus cooling other compnents a bit. A small overclock on the 9800GTX with the fan on stock speeds will still keep everything cool, quiet and i will have about the same performance of a 4850. all i wanted to know is if i could reach the same speeds as the 4850 with a 9800GTX.

My 4850 ran at 41c/54c after an OC beyond the figures I mentioned. You know, you can overclock the HD4850, too. OC'd HD4850 greater than OC'd 9800GTX in terms of power consumption, heat, and performance from my experience.

OCed 9800GTX>OCed 4850 when it comes to performance.

a good overclocked 9800GTX (770/1925/1200) only runs at 60-70 degrees C, this is with the stock fan speed. 4850 on the other hand.. completely stock at 80 degrees C. (both at load).

Nvidia sacrificed power consumption for performance.. i see nothing wrong with that.

OCed 9800GTX>OCed 4850 when it comes to performance.

Lilgunney612

No, stock 4850 > OCed 9800gtx.

Do you need links ?

[QUOTE="Lilgunney612"]

OCed 9800GTX>OCed 4850 when it comes to performance.

matrixian

No, stock 4850 > OCed 9800gtx.

Do you need links ?

from what i have seen, no..

i am guessing your going to give me a 9800GTX+ vs. 4850 review. But if you have read up on the 9800GTX+, you would know that it is only a very slight overclock. Making little different in performance.

Stock 9800GTX: 675/2200

9800GTX+: 738/2200

Not that much of an overclock compaired to the results most people were already getting with a stock 9800GTX which are close to around 800/1300.

Anyways i am not arguing on what card is a better performer but which was a better buy for me.. cooler, about the same speed as a 4850 and 50 bucks less. sounds good to me.

i am guessing your going to give me a 9800GTX+ vs. 4850 review. Lilgunney612

lol I guess i'm predictable on these forums.

But if you have read up on the 9800GTX+, you would know that it is only a very slight overclock. Making little different in performance.

Stock 9800GTX: 675/2200

9800GTX+: 738/2200

Not that much of an overclock compaired to the results most people were already getting with a stock 9800GTX which are close to around 800/1300.

Lilgunney612

If 4850 at stock is faster than 9800GTX+ 738/2200, I don't see how an OCed 4850 can lose against a 9800GTX 800/1300. And the fan fix does allow a high overclock for the 4850, while maintaining decent temps.

"I manually overclock all of my video cards, i dont see the point in getting factory overclocked GPUs." - Lilgunney612

I buy OC'ed cards that have A) lifetime warranty, and B) better than stock cooling options. eVGA, XFX, and BFG get the pick from Nvidia's lot of the best chips and they use these in their pre OC'ed cards. These chips have shown that they tend to handle the heat of OC'ing better than the lower clocked chips. That tells me that as an extra bonus I should get more head room on OC'ing the card even further than the factory did. That and I've killed a number of cards over the years with extreme OC'ing so again, the warranty is quite nice. I just always look for the right sale to get them. I managed to get my XFX 98000 Black Edition a couple of weeks ago for just under $200 (after rebate). Keep in mind that was before this second round of price drops. The card is still selling for the price of the GTX+ range, yet I get OOB speeds that beat the + modle and plenty of headroom for going futher with it's better than stock cooling. Buying pre OC'ed cards is not a bad idea as long as you look for good deals with a fine tooth comb. I got lucky on this one and I expect it's soon to be SLI brethen to join it at close to same cost in a few more weeks of price cuts.