Outrageous reasons to avoid Savage 2

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#1 Kiersick
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Short Version: Developers of the game "Savage 2" abuse the small userbase it has. Avoid the game and save youself that $29.99 for a very special night out with that lady friend of yours.

Just wanted to let anyone out there interested in this game to steer clear. There is an average of less than 100 players globally on at one point, meaning you're usually stuck with one populated US server. ( The rest being EU.) The thing is this game ain't half bad. It can be very rewarding to work with your teammates. The game itself isn't the problem. It is the companie's policy of letting it's developers wreck havoc on the few servers that are up. There is one particular developer who has a very nasty reputation of booting players who kill him, or talk back to his insults. He will tell completely new players how spectactularily bad they are while calling them call kinds of names. How would a game grow when the developers chide the noobs?

The REAL kicker to all of this is that the developer in question is the OWNER of the whole company. This guy goes into games and ruins them. Completely unbelievable. A friend of mine whom I persuaded to buy the game on the merits of it's gameplay, was booted by this developer for killing him one too many times. It is this developer's every right to do whatever he pleases to whoever buys the game and wanders into the unfortunate server he resides in. I do not feel this right of his should be in question. I am just warning the gaming community of a gaming comapny doing some mighty terrible business with its customers.

One neat feature of the game is that you can download replays of each and every Savage 2 game ever played, meaning ALL of the behavior which has transpired is completely provable. This doesn't shy this person away from continuing to give his company, and game a very bad repuation.

I'm a bit upset I have to write something like this, but I feel you guys shouldn't be wasting your hard-earned money while supporting his immature, and destructive behavior on the Savage 2 servers.

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#2 greatmax1
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and how do you know he is "the owner of the whole company". Did he say : i am a developer of this game?
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#3 Kiersick
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He has the developer tag S2 in-game, as well as on the forums. His name is S2 Maliken, look it up if you'd like.
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#4 AnotherKill
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Thank you :P It made me mad just reading it so I'll stay clear from that game for sure.
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#5 Rattlesnake_8
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Why would the developer of a game go out of their way to ruin the experience for others that paid him money to play it? Developers want people to buy and play their games.. by what you've written, the person sounds like a very immature kid.. not a game developer.
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#6 mfsa
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Short Version: Developers of the game "Savage 2" abuse the small userbase it has. Avoid the game and save youself that $29.99 for a very special night out with that lady friend of yours.

Kiersick

See, you've gone and lost credibility by insulting us. We don't have any lady friends, and we never have, and we don't like people making fun of us like that.

I'm upset now. I think I'm going to have to go to bed with Columbo. Uh, that is, go to bed and watch Columbo. On DVD. I won't be sleeping with Columbo... sadly...

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#7 JP_Russell
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I'm curious to see what Foxhound has to say about this. He allegedly knows one of the devs.
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#8 nutcrackr
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wow this is something I've never heard of, while I don't think you're lying I just find it hard to believe that some developer could be such a jerk and get away with it. Do people talk about it on the forums ?
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#9 Kiersick
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I have the #'s of some replays which will show what the developer does in game. If any of you have Savage downloaded, I can send you everything for yourself.
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#10 foxhound_fox
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It is an indie game... what do you expect... WoW numbers online? Savage 2 is a fantastic game and if more people know about it the more people will play it. The game breaks so many gameplay boundaries... its too bad that I just don't have the time to play it.

I'm curious to see what Foxhound has to say about this. He allegedly knows one of the devs.JP_Russell

Indeed I do know one of the devs. He is a close friend that lives 10 minutes away from me on foot. He is the lead programmer on the project now (most of the team have moved onto the next S2Games project) and I really wish I could get some time to play it, because I want to support as many indies as I can... and he's my friend. What the TC is doing is trying to spread misinformation and prevent people from playing a fantastic game.

And TC, if you are having problems with a certain admin, report them. I'm pretty sure the others won't stand for it. Perhaps providing a screen-name to substantiate your claims is in order?
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#11 Kiersick
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I completely agree with you on all accounts. It is a great game and the developer Malakin is quite talented. This does not prevent him from abusing and harassing members of his own community. It is baffling. Utterly, and completely. I have saved replays of of him spouting off RANDOMLY to people. Completely disrespectful. His profile says he is 30 years old. Doesn't seem that way at times.
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#12 F1_2004
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youtube replays or it didn't happen
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#13 Franko_3
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Talking of savage 2, I am still waiting for the review before getting it :S
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#14 mrbojangles25
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If what you say is true, I cant say I am suprised.

Frankly, the demo I tried totally put me off of the game. When I played the tutorial and stuff the audio guide was pretty arrogent and full of self-praise. Cant say I am suprised this arrogence would carry over to the server he runs.

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#15 Termite551
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I'm staying away from that game then
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#16 MTBare
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Link me to the replays. I beta'd the game and all of the beta testers were quite close, it was always fun to see him get frustrated. But I have certain doubts about him doing that in retail to new players.. He did stress us to help the noobs coming in and not completely obliterate them.
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#17 Private_Vegas
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Hilarious. That guy definitly got the crap beat out of him every day back in school, or something like that.
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#18 Kiersick
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http://www.savage2replays.com/match_replay.php?mid=22125 Well, there are four threads on the offical forums, here is a replay which is involved in two of the threads. His name in the game is S2Malakin. My roommate was on the opposite team, but he wasn't involved in any of this.

Scan to 23:56 for a direct reference to him showing a great example of his temperment. There are showings of his anger problems throughout the match. He ended up booting someone.

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#19 MTBare
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"[bleep]ing idiots" -S2Maliken

(right after) "Good work" -S2Maliken

"well, which is it?" -player on the team

"Sorry" -S2Maliken

"Just frustrated" -S2Maliken

"Ignore my rants :)" -S2Maliken in game

He has quite a temper, no one denis that (it was much worse in the beta when his fellow developers started putting censors on the chat haha. But he knows he gets too serious and aplogizes. Also the game is buggy and there's no way of knowing if he actually booted anyone or if they just disconnected/crashed.

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#21 MTBare
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[QUOTE="MTBare"]

"(bleep)ing idiots" -S2Maliken

(right after) "Good work" -S2Maliken

"well, which is it?" -player on the team

"Sorry"

"Just frustrated"

"Ignore my rants :)" -S2Maliken in game

JP_Russell

Did he ever kick someone, though? I wouldn't know, I don't have the game and can't watch the replay or anything, so I'm just curious. That's good that he said he was sorry, but if he did boot someone in his fit of anger, sorry doesn't quite cut it.

Impossible to know for sure, but it really doesn't look like it. From the time he got angry and the end of the game, only one person disconnected (which could mean they were kicked, or they crashed, or simply just left). They were on the other team which maliken did not have any feud with and it didnt appear as though he made any attempt to rejoin/get kicked again. I'm guessing he left the game early because his team was getting destroyed and close to a near loss.

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#22 Kiersick
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The player who was booted was KmVoss. Malakin admitted to the booting in the thread on the offical forum. He booted him because the player started saying things back to him.
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#23 mrbojangles25
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Link me to the replays. I beta'd the game and all of the beta testers were quite close, it was always fun to see him get frustrated. But I have certain doubts about him doing that in retail to new players.. He did stress us to help the noobs coming in and not completely obliterate them.MTBare

wow, thats dishonest business policy right there.

I mean, I can see the logic behind it but by asking you to go easy on the noobs he is presenting an untrue depiction of what the game is. Its like witness tampering in a way.

I guess this is the bad side of independent game developers *sigh*

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#24 Begemott
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Mrbojangles - Savage 2 is a pretty complex game, so I see no reason for beta-testers to scare off the new comers. If they were asked to play easy for a while, it doesnt seem like a problem, because an indie game just cant have that many players for beta.
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#25 MTBare
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It must've been a different game that he booted that player because him and maliken are talking once the game ends..

And how is that a bad thing mrbojangles? We were beta testers, we've been playing the game for months. It's not a game you can pick up and be awesome at as soon as you play. He didn't mean don't let them win, he just meant help them out with things. For example, as soon as the game was released I was fighting S2Maliken (same guy) and I forgot to send my pet in to attack him, he stopped attacking me and said "Press G-1 to send your pet to attack" because he assumed I was just a noob.