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i'll leave that opinion to you when it comes to the video card.. about the five year thing.. i don't think so.. in pc gaming the high profile games always come out more advanced than the hardware. you just always catch up. always..

I don't go for ATI for many reasons. The 9800GTX+ in SLI is way cheaper and performs hell of alot better than the HD4870's.Freddiegree0

Can you name few of those reasons?

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[QUOTE="domke13"]

Can you name few of those reasons?

Freddiegree0

Considering that you are getting 9800GTX SLI i would say you don't really care much about power consumtion. Overpriced? LOL. That's just hilarious. You are calling ATi overpriced, while Nvidia is fine for you? Yet again, you are getting SLI setup and you complain cause of loudness? About drivers, you are right, but ATi drivers aren't total piece if **** either.

EDIT: Your motherboard, and CPU choices are horrible.

[QUOTE="Freddiegree0"][QUOTE="domke13"]

Can you name few of those reasons?

domke13

Considering that you are getting 9800GTX SLI i would say you don't really care much about power consumtion. Overpriced? LOL. That's just hilarious. You are calling ATi overpriced, while Nvidia is fine for you? Yet again, you are getting SLI setup and you complain cause of loudness? About drivers, you are right, but ATi drivers aren't total piece if **** either.

EDIT: Your motherboard, and CPU choices are horrible.

I agree, also extremes are just regular C2D with an unlocked multiplier, nothing special.

"The 9800GTX+ in SLI is way cheaper and performs hell of alot better than the HD4870's."

They may be cheaper but HD 4870's are much better.

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Lol sorry, I was meant to say that they are a hell of alot cheaper, and nearly perform the same.Freddiegree0

They don't nearly perform the same.

4870 > 9800GTX

Also you won't be able to upgrade your CPU, since the LGA775 socket is about to become obsolete.

Change mobo to a crossfire one and get the HD4850 or HD4870. Or if you want to stay with the 680i with 9800GTX+ then go ahead. No one is stopping you.

hmm... about 2 years... by that time we will have some uBer graphics cards and games too.

4870 > 9800GTX

Also you won't be able to upgrade your CPU, since the LGA775 socket is about to become obsolete.

webstaxero

I'm sad about LGA 775 being gone when the Nehalms come out(Socket 1366 or w/e). I dont have any cash to get a new motherboard let alone upgrade both my CPU and mobo for nehalem. I might have to switch to Console Gaming until i can get a good job, but by then the nehelms will be old and everyone PC gamer will be jacking off to the next big thing.:(

Simply as the title suggests, I am building a new PC. I will only label the main components for it as I already have the other peripherals planned.

Here is a list of the main components:

OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-Bit

Motherboard: Nvidia Nforce 680i SLI (Only supports 2-way SLI.)

RAM: OCZ 4GB (2x2GB) PC2-6400C5 800MHz SLI-Ready Edition Low Latency Dual Channel DDR2

CPU: Core 2 Duo e6850 3.00GHZ (I will upgrade it when it becomes "outdated")

GPU: 2x BFG GeForce 9800 GTX+ OC 512MB GDDR3 TV-Out/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) (I will be running 2 of these in SLI)

PSU: Corsair HX 1000W ATX2.2 Modular SLI Compliant PSU

HHD: Samsung SpinPoint F1 1TB SATA-II 32MB Cache

Soundcard: Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Gamer 7.1 Sound Card


This is going to be my new PC that I'm constructing. How future proof do you think something like this is without any major upgrades? (With the exception of the CPU, which I know my Motherboard can support the Core 2 Extremes.)

Good to go for 5 years? Perhaps more? Please tell me what you think.

Freddiegree0

Is there any reason as to why you are going with the E6850 instead of the E8400?

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Lol sorry, I was meant to say that they are a hell of alot cheaper, and nearly perform the same.Freddiegree0

That computer isn't "future-proof" at all due to your choice of motherboard. For one, you bought a motherboard with a dying socket, not to mention that it can't even use 45nm chips. Also, the PCI-e slots only run at 8x/8x, so you're gimping your graphics cards.kodex1717

I totaly agree on that.

That computer isn't "future-proof" at all due to your choice of motherboard. For one, you bought a motherboard with a dying socket, not to mention that it can't even use 45nm chips. Also, the PCI-e slots only run at 8x/8x, so you're gimping your graphics cards.kodex1717

1. Mines isn't dead(had it for 13 months)

2.The 680i boards can use 45nm Dual core CPU's with a BIOS update(it can't use 45nm Quad cores tho)

3.Only the middle(blue PCI-e slot) runs at 8x, while the top and bottom ones run at a full x16 for SLi.

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Reason being why I plan to go for a 680i Motherboard and a e6850 CPU, is because I physically have them right next to me at this moment. I was given them for free by my friend who had no use for them.

And neither hasn't been opened at all, it's all completely new and unused.Freddiegree0

Okay that makes much more sense.

Reason being why I plan to go for a 680i Motherboard and a e6850 CPU, is because I physically have them right next to me at this moment. I was given them for free by my friend who had no use for them.

And neither hasn't been opened at all, it's all completely new and unused.Freddiegree0

Thats awesome, hope everything works out fine. The 680i chipset has had some problems in the past and some still remain, but if you have a working one, these are some great boards IMO.

Alot of people have had problems OCing on the chipset, but at stock everything works great. But if you OC, just hope you got one that can do it well.

When i got my 680i SLI board it booted up first try. But everthign was at stock and i am still running it at stock. So i can't really comment much on how high you can get the clock speed up, depends on the board.

1. Mines isn't dead(had it for 13 months)

DarxPhil

I didn't mean that his motherboard is dying, obviously. I was referring to the fact that LGA775 is getting replaced.

2.The 680i boards can use 45nm Dual core CPU's with a BIOS update(it can't use 45nm Quad cores tho)

DarxPhil

My mistake. I was under the impression that the dual-cores required the same hardware as the quads.

3.Only the middle(blue PCI-e slot) runs at 8x, while the top and bottom ones run at a full x16 for SLi.

DarxPhil

Yeah, I misread '680i' as '650i', just like I always read '8600GT' as '8800GT'.

EDIT: Also, I don't blame him for using recent hardware that he got for free, still in box. If he's not overclocking, he can probably keep it for a couple years before he upgrades.

Oh, ok. like i said before, i dislike that soon the LGA 775 wont be around. I dont have any cash to get the i7, so i dont know if i have to just swich to Console gaming or what. I dont want the games to come out and support i7 better and i am stuck with older hardware that cant run a dam thing. Its going to be a hard pick to continue PC gaming or having to switch to Consoles till i get rich.DarxPhil

Its not like a C2D will be obsolete once i7 comes out, you will still be able to game with a C2D for a while. Lots of people still use AMD X2s and game just fine.

CPU: Core 2 Duo e6850 3.00GHZ (I will upgrade it when it becomes "outdated") e8400 is better, same price range.

GPU: 2x BFG GeForce 9800 GTX+ OC 512MB GDDR3 TV-Out/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) (I will be running 2 of these in SLI) Get a HD 4870 or 9800GX2 instead.

PSU: Corsair HX 1000W ATX2.2 Modular SLI Compliant PSU 750w Corsair should be fine.

EDIT: Get a P45 or X45 motherboard, X45 if you want to crossfire.

[QUOTE="Freddiegree0"][QUOTE="domke13"]

Can you name few of those reasons?

domke13

Considering that you are getting 9800GTX SLI i would say you don't really care much about power consumtion. Overpriced? LOL. That's just hilarious. You are calling ATi overpriced, while Nvidia is fine for you? Yet again, you are getting SLI setup and you complain cause of loudness? About drivers, you are right, but ATi drivers aren't total piece if **** either.

EDIT: Your motherboard, and CPU choices are horrible.

Also,

[QUOTE="domke13"]

They don't nearly perform the same.

Freddiegree0

also keep in mind those graphs seem to be made by AMD. Take a look at Anandtech's graphs, they show totally different results:

Third party reviews tend to be more accurate ;)

"Crysis is a game that can beat down all cards. We're once again using the high settings with the shaders at very high"

for email and other internet stuff. yeah. 5 years... for gaming? already outdated.. get 2 4870's.. hehehe. welcome to PC gaming.aoshi_shinumori

Are you uturly stupid!?

Two 9800GTXs!!! That is more powerful than a single GTX 280!

for email and other internet stuff. yeah. 5 years... for gaming? already outdated.. get 2 4870's.. hehehe. welcome to PC gaming.aoshi_shinumori

Wow...people like you just make me laugh, just cause theres a new card doesnt make your PC outdated. Seriously, you didnt help at all. Stop calling parts outdated! Even the 8800 is a great card! but you go around saying "O lol it is teh outdaet cuz teh 4870 caem oot LOL pc gaeming"

[QUOTE="kodex1717"]That computer isn't "future-proof" at all due to your choice of motherboard. For one, you bought a motherboard with a dying socket, not to mention that it can't even use 45nm chips. Also, the PCI-e slots only run at 8x/8x, so you're gimping your graphics cards.swehunt

I totaly agree on that.

16x/16x has barely any performance boost over 8x/8x.

I don't go for ATI for many reasons. The 9800GTX+ in SLI is way cheaper and performs hell of alot better than the HD4870's.Freddiegree0

then go for a PNY 9800GX2 XLR8 it will perform much better than the 2 9800GTX trust me i have an 9800GTX and its not good enough for todays needs (thats why im getting an HD4870x2) so technically speaking its not future prove

What does future proof mean to you? And no no PC is.....................................X360PS3AMD05

Really, you have a point. Everything is and is not 'future proof' (please moders ban the word of curse), it depends what it is used for.

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]What does future proof mean to you? And no no PC is.....................................Angry_Bosmer

Really, you have a point. Everything is and is not 'future proof' (please moders ban the word of curse), it depends what it is used for.

I think somewhat it can. For those that had bought the 8800GTX on opening day, which might be a fluke overall, they succeeded in having the top single gpu setup for over 2 years. Considering in the high end gaming for PC that being at the top for over 1 year is very hard to accomplish, 2 years looking back I would have considered it future proofing for the price considering how much the 7800GTX was and how long that lasted.

Personally I aim for a total rehaul PC to stay near the top for just under 2 years if you do it right. After 2 years you will have to lower settings and getting newer parts is more beneficial.

The OP's chosen setup is behind the latest on the CPU, Mobo, and GPU. Much better for the price parts out there that will last him longer giving him more band for his buck.

Of course we must also look at the release of high quality PC titles. Fallout 3 this year is just one of them. When new games come out that push current technology it is best to take that also into consideration. It isnt going to get less demanding as the years goes on.

[QUOTE="domke13"]

They don't nearly perform the same.

Freddiegree0

I don't follow. You were saying 2 9800GTX+'s would be better than 2 4870's. Your own graph conflicts with what you said.

[QUOTE="domke13"][QUOTE="Freddiegree0"][QUOTE="domke13"]

Can you name few of those reasons?

Mr_NoName111

Considering that you are getting 9800GTX SLI i would say you don't really care much about power consumtion. Overpriced? LOL. That's just hilarious. You are calling ATi overpriced, while Nvidia is fine for you? Yet again, you are getting SLI setup and you complain cause of loudness? About drivers, you are right, but ATi drivers aren't total piece if **** either.

EDIT: Your motherboard, and CPU choices are horrible.

Also,

[QUOTE="domke13"]

They don't nearly perform the same.

Freddiegree0

also keep in mind those graphs seem to be made by AMD. Take a look at Anandtech's graphs, they show totally different results:

Third party reviews tend to be more accurate ;)

"Crysis is a game that can beat down all cards. We're once again using the high settings with the shaders at very high"

The first review is very high, anandtech is high with very high shaders...of course the results are different.

[QUOTE="Freddiegree0"][QUOTE="domke13"]

They don't nearly perform the same.

JP_Russell

I don't follow. You were saying 2 9800GTX+'s would be better than 2 4870's. Your own graph conflicts with what you said.

I thought the same thing.

Today with cards up to date the x8 x8 will act like a giant bottleneck, there are reviews of the HD4850 on P45 vs. X48 chipset the difference is quite big.

P45 vs. X48, quite a difference.

If one intend to go SLI or crossfire x16 x16 is the way to go.

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taht set up will probably last about (at the very max) a year and a half,

Where as if u get a 4870x2 and a different CPU ( dont get mad i know ur not getting a different one) it would last about 2 and a half (at the very max).

But the advantage is that later on u can upgrade ur mobo for nahelame(or how ever u spell it) and buy another 4870x2 and that will keep going for another year.

PS. I will take ur critisism positivly

PSS. sorry for all spelling mistakes, hope u dont mind :D