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#1 sirpopsalot
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I cant decide between a evga 680i or asus p35. I need suggestions!
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#2 LordEC911
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P35 if you ever want to upgrade to Penryn.
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#3 sirpopsalot
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when does peryn come out? and ddr3?
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#4 LordEC911
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Penryn will be out before the end of the year, as will DDR3. Though DDR3 won't be worth it until the end of '08.
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#5 sirpopsalot
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ok. I can only afford either a g92 or peryn cpu. wich one should i get?
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#6 Wesker776
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ok. I can only afford either a g92 or peryn cpu. wich one should i get?sirpopsalot

That's one hell of a crystal ball you got there.

Besides, the two go together. No use having a good CPU and a crappy GPU, vice versa. 

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#7 codezer0
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P35 if you ever want to upgrade to Penryn.LordEC911
And from the looks of it, the P35 nor the X38 can support CrossFire neither.

So why does intel even bother make their boards with two physical PCI-E x16 slots anymore? What, as if they expect anyone to buy add-in cards featuring their intel GMA chips? :lol: 

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#8 codezer0
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[QUOTE="sirpopsalot"]ok. I can only afford either a g92 or peryn cpu. wich one should i get?Wesker776

That's one hell of a crystal ball you got there.

Besides, the two go together. No use having a good CPU and a crappy GPU, vice versa.

Since when is a Core 2 Duo crap?

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#9 Wesker776
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[QUOTE="Wesker776"]

[QUOTE="sirpopsalot"]ok. I can only afford either a g92 or peryn cpu. wich one should i get?codezer0

That's one hell of a crystal ball you got there.

Besides, the two go together. No use having a good CPU and a crappy GPU, vice versa.

Since when is a Core 2 Duo crap?

I didn't say it was crap, I was giving a generic example.

There's little sense in having an E6420 with an 9800GTX (for example's sake), is there? 

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#10 Wesker776
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[QUOTE="LordEC911"]P35 if you ever want to upgrade to Penryn.codezer0

And from the looks of it, the P35 nor the X38 can support CrossFire neither.

So why does intel even bother make their boards with two physical PCI-E x16 slots anymore? What, as if they expect anyone to buy add-in cards featuring their intel GMA chips? :lol:

 

Got a link that says both chipsets don't support CrossFire? 

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#11 sirpopsalot
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Well how long will a 8800GTX and e6600 last? Should i upgrade this november?
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#12 Wesker776
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Well how long will a 8800GTX and e6600 last? Should i upgrade this november?sirpopsalot

If you want CrossFire, wait for the X38 to launch.
If you want SLI now but don't care about Penryn, get 680i now.
If you want to go single card with the option of a Penryn upgrade, get P35.

Also, you could wait until the end of July to upgrade to a $300 Q6600. 

 

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#13 matrixian
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P35 with 2 pci-e x16 (1st x16 and 2nd x4) does support Crossfire.
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#14 sirpopsalot
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but will it kill me to upgrade to peryn and ddr3 in november of 08?
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#15 codezer0
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Got a link that says both chipsets don't support CrossFire? Wesker776
Feature sets listed on motherboards with the X38 Express chipset @ [H]ard|OCP do not specify CrossFire support for the chipset, where it is prominently displayed on motherboards featuring the new AMD RD790 chipset.
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#16 matrixian
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All of these P35 mobos support Crossfire:

Asus P35

Gigabyte:

GA-P35-DS4

GA-P35-DQ6

GA-P35-DS3P

MSI:

P35 Platinum

P35 Diamond

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#17 Makari
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All of these P35 mobos support Crossfire:

Asus P35

Gigabyte:

GA-P35-DS4

GA-P35-DQ6

GA-P35-DS3P

MSI:

P35 Platinum

P35 Diamond

matrixian
From that list, even the base-model P5K non-ICH9R motherboard supports Crossfire. I'm guessing P35 supports it fully. I had read something like it was only 4x PCIe electrically or something, which I have NO idea what that means.
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#18 IAM-CA
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I had read something like it was only 4x PCIe electrically or something, which I have NO idea what that means.Makari

You had read correctly.  P35 chipset only supports one PCIe 16x slot, the other is only 4x and would not be able to keep up for high end SLI or Crossfire gaming!  There's another Intel chipset ( X38 ) coming soon for that.

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#19 codezer0
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From that list, even the base-model P5K non-ICH9R motherboard supports Crossfire. I'm guessing P35 supports it fully. I had read something like it was only 4x PCIe electrically or something, which I have NO idea what that means.Makari
The problem with that is that you're seriously gimping performance to the second PCI-E card that you have in the system.

THG did an evalutation with both the X1950XTX and the 8800GTX (whcih at the time represented the best of the best both companies had to offer), and did an exercise where they taped up the PCI-E connector on each so that they would be electronically represented to work at a lower-than-x16 bus speed (down to x8, x4, and finally x1).

The 8800GTX saw a HUGE performance dent just going to x8 speed, and both cards were basically unplayable at x4 speeds. It was a literal slideshow at x1 for both cards, with neither reaching even into double-digit framerate for games that they'd otherwise run at 60+fps.

IIRC, I did see (lately) where one manufacturer at least reconfigured the P35 chipset so that it could do x8/x8 PCI-E for multi-GPU instead, which netted about a 10% improvement over what it initially referenced for.