Panasonic vs Samsung Plasma

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#1 Goeben
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My friend told me that Panasonic buys their screens from Samsung and that no matter what samsung is the better buy even if it cost a bit more. Is this true? And if Panasonic does buy their screens from Samsung wouldnt the quality be the same?

I have one more questions do the ultra thin plasmas (the ones that are only an inch thick) have a worse picture than the normal ones?

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#2 Gregoroth
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AFAIK, Panasonic's plasma technology is their own and for the record, they've now bought out Pioneer's technology. Samsung shouldn't have any involvment with them.

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Panasonic is their own entity :| Why do people not just say they don't know what they're talking about, instead they spread FUD to other people and keep it going, look at Windows Vista.....
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#4 Goeben
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ok if they are different which brand has better picture quality?

and do the ultra thin plasmas have a lower quality picture or does the slim body not affect the picture quality?

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#5 Videodogg
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[QUOTE="Goeben"]

ok if they are different which brand has better picture quality?

and do the ultra thin plasmas have a lower quality picture or does the slim body not affect the picture quality?

The thin body does not affect the picture quality, just the price. They both have great picture quality, but i choose Panasonic for the reliablitiy just from personal experience.
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#6 rastan
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In professional reviews, the Panasonic's are regarded as the best plasma set now made (Pioneer sold there tech to Panasonic), but there have also been good reviews for Samsung plasmas. Samsung absolutely does NOT make Panasonic's plasma panels.
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#7 Goeben
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Thanks guys for answering my questions my friend is a dumbass

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#8 middlecreekguy
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Your friend is a dumbass. And btw, the best Panasonic out as of now is the VT25 Series. Best Samsung is the 8000. Both great plasmas.

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#9 krisroe_213
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just bought a panasonic 50" viera plasma..it's amazing. you can't really go wrong with either one, really.

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They are both FANTASTIC. I would normally get Panasonic because Japanese > Korean, but my G10 blacks rose...I will buy a Samsung next year if the problem is not COMPLETELY eliminated from 2011 Panasonic sets.
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I just got back from Best Buy. I know it's not a good place to judge, but the Panasonic plasmas didn't look all that great. I need a new TV soon, so I was looking. The blacks on the Panasonic weren't that impressive either. But, I did like how there wasn't that double "ghost" image when viewed from the side. I'm undecided. I may wait for the 2011 plasmas. Aren't the Panasonics supposed to have more Kuro tech?

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I just got back from Best Buy. I know it's not a good place to judge, but the Panasonic plasmas didn't look all that great. I need a new TV soon, so I was looking. The blacks on the Panasonic weren't that impressive either. But, I did like how there wasn't that double "ghost" image when viewed from the side. I'm undecided. I may wait for the 2011 plasmas. Aren't the Panasonics supposed to have more Kuro tech?

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Yeah, well the 8G kuro had 0.004 fL, and the Panasonic VT has 0.004 fL while the 9G kuro has less then or equal to 0.001 fL, so I'm sure by next year the blacks will be at the 0.001 fL assuming they implement the kuro patents.

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[QUOTE="WiiRocks66"]

I just got back from Best Buy. I know it's not a good place to judge, but the Panasonic plasmas didn't look all that great. I need a new TV soon, so I was looking. The blacks on the Panasonic weren't that impressive either. But, I did like how there wasn't that double "ghost" image when viewed from the side. I'm undecided. I may wait for the 2011 plasmas. Aren't the Panasonics supposed to have more Kuro tech?

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Yeah, well the 8G kuro had 0.004 fL, and the Panasonic VT has 0.004 fL while the 9G kuro has less then or equal to 0.001 fL, so I'm sure by next year the blacks will be at the 0.001 fL assuming they implement the kuro patents.

Honestly, not measured, the Samsung plasmas and LEDs appeared to have deeper blacks. I certainly wouldn't get an LED(especially with how bad their ghosting was.) But it kinda turned me away from a Panasonic. I know a store on dynamic isn't a good place to test, but it's not like I can bring them home and compare.
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[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

[QUOTE="WiiRocks66"]

I just got back from Best Buy. I know it's not a good place to judge, but the Panasonic plasmas didn't look all that great. I need a new TV soon, so I was looking. The blacks on the Panasonic weren't that impressive either. But, I did like how there wasn't that double "ghost" image when viewed from the side. I'm undecided. I may wait for the 2011 plasmas. Aren't the Panasonics supposed to have more Kuro tech?

WiiRocks66

Yeah, well the 8G kuro had 0.004 fL, and the Panasonic VT has 0.004 fL while the 9G kuro has less then or equal to 0.001 fL, so I'm sure by next year the blacks will be at the 0.001 fL assuming they implement the kuro patents.

Honestly, not measured, the Samsung plasmas and LEDs appeared to have deeper blacks. I certainly wouldn't get an LED(especially with how bad their ghosting was.) But it kinda turned me away from a Panasonic. I know a store on dynamic isn't a good place to test, but it's not like I can bring them home and compare.

Yeah, the stores never seem to cut it. I usually go to the specialty A/V stores. Most have demo rooms, and TV's lined up. Anyways if you really want those close to absolute blacks, just wait for the 2011 Panasonic.

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#15 reachrocksman
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[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

[QUOTE="WiiRocks66"]

I just got back from Best Buy. I know it's not a good place to judge, but the Panasonic plasmas didn't look all that great. I need a new TV soon, so I was looking. The blacks on the Panasonic weren't that impressive either. But, I did like how there wasn't that double "ghost" image when viewed from the side. I'm undecided. I may wait for the 2011 plasmas. Aren't the Panasonics supposed to have more Kuro tech?

WiiRocks66

Yeah, well the 8G kuro had 0.004 fL, and the Panasonic VT has 0.004 fL while the 9G kuro has less then or equal to 0.001 fL, so I'm sure by next year the blacks will be at the 0.001 fL assuming they implement the kuro patents.

Honestly, not measured, the Samsung plasmas and LEDs appeared to have deeper blacks. I certainly wouldn't get an LED(especially with how bad their ghosting was.) But it kinda turned me away from a Panasonic. I know a store on dynamic isn't a good place to test, but it's not like I can bring them home and compare.

I hope you know that when light hits a plasma it turns their blacks grey. Also, when lights hit an lcd, it makes their blacks seem like ink. Once you watch them in a dark room it completely changes.
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??? Plasma can show truer blacks than LCD because plasma can completely turn off each individual pixel. "When light hits a plasma it turns their blacks grey" is actually true for LCD as LCD always has a back-lit source which prevents true "inky black levels" that are possible from plasma. Localized LED dimming on LCD's attempt to solve this by shutting off the backlight in darker areas of a screen so that the native resolution can get better on LCD's . This helps, but no LCD has a native contrast ratio better than the best plasmas out there.
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??? Plasma can show truer blacks than LCD because plasma can completely turn off each individual pixel. "When light hits a plasma it turns their blacks grey" is actually true for LCD as LCD always has a back-lit source which prevents true "inky black levels" that are possible from plasma. Localized LED dimming on LCD's attempt to solve this by shutting off the backlight in darker areas of a screen so that the native resolution can get better on LCD's . This helps, but no LCD has a native contrast ratio better than the best plasmas out there.rastan

I have one question about this. If a plasma can turn it's pixels off, how come it can't show true blacks? OLEDs display black in the same way, but they have true blacks. I was reading avsforums and there was something about a discharge the pixel gives off when displaying blacks that prevents them from being true black.

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#18 rastan
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I think it's actually a "precharge" so that the plasma capsules are sort of "ready to fire" faster. I think some of what the Kuros engineers figured out was how to minimize this precharge/charge up the molecules faster so that their screens can get to a very deep level of black. I believe OLED doesn't require this precharge so they should be able to get to true black with less effort. I'm sure there are people that can explain this much better, but I think that's the basic concept. All this being said, if you see higher end Panasonic or better yet a Kuros in action, the black are very deep and with the Kuros in a dark room, the blacks in the screen are as black as anything else your eyes see in the room.
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[QUOTE="rastan"]I think it's actually a "precharge" so that the plasma capsules are sort of "ready to fire" faster. I think some of what the Kuros engineers figured out was how to minimize this precharge/charge up the molecules faster so that their screens can get to a very deep level of black. I believe OLED doesn't require this precharge so they should be able to get to true black with less effort. I'm sure there are people that can explain this much better, but I think that's the basic concept. All this being said, if you see higher end Panasonic or better yet a Kuros in action, the black are very deep and with the Kuros in a dark room, the blacks in the screen are as black as anything else your eyes see in the room.

I wish I had specialty AV stores around here. The only place that sells TVs around here is Best Buy, unless you go somewhere like KMart or Target, but they have nothing but cheap garbage brand LCDs.
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#20 rastan
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Unfortunately the big box stores and their setups do no justice to PQ. You used to sometimes be able to see the better TV's in "theater rooms" inside the stores, but even that is going away. Fortunately I live in an area that has quite a few specialty A/V shops that can properly display and show the benefits of a properly calibrated good TV. Unfortunately for plasma, many if the benefits that they hold over LCD are very hard to show on a brightly lit showroom floor where the brightest set usually stands out more than anything else.
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Unfortunately the big box stores and their setups do no justice to PQ. You used to sometimes be able to see the better TV's in "theater rooms" inside the stores, but even that is going away. Fortunately I live in an area that has quite a few specialty A/V shops that can properly display and show the benefits of a properly calibrated good TV. Unfortunately for plasma, many if the benefits that they hold over LCD are very hard to show on a brightly lit showroom floor where the brightest set usually stands out more than anything else.rastan
The Circuit City that used to be around here had that. Back in 2006, my parents needed a new TV for our living room since our CRT was breaking. We went out, and had it narrowed down to a Hitachi or Panasonic plasma. The Pioneers were too expensive. They had the TVs, along with some other, set up in a dark room in the back. My dad decided on the Hitachi. Today, it's still their, going strong, and it's picture is still better than any LCD I've seen. I should check Google Maps and see if I can find any. I'll probably need to go out of the city, but it should be worth it.
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Panasonic anyday over Samsung, The quality is better, and usually they are cheaper than Samsung. Also Panasonic has been making some of the best plasmas for a while Samsung however is more LCD oriented.
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I've been in Panasonic's Plasma Plants in Osaka. Panasonic most certainly has their own PDP fab's. In fact, Panasonic has made the largest investment of any display manuafacurer in Plasma. Your freind is confused by Panny's LCD strategy. Panny indeed does buy it's LCD modules from Samsung and other suppliers. Panasonic did purchase the Pioneer PDP business several years ago. The Pioneer R&D staff which produced the exceptional KURO sets and other fantastic TV's now work for Panasonic. The Pioneer fab's and R&D labs (located in Kofu Japan) are now part of the Panasonic operations. As to quality of PDP PAnny vs Samsung, I'd generally steer people to Panny. Samsung has a love-hate relationship with PDP TV's. Samsung is the worlds larges LCD maker and the Samsung parent corporation keeps starving the PDP business of needed investment in preference to crazy investments in huge LCD fabs. Astrobuf
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??? Plasma can show truer blacks than LCD because plasma can completely turn off each individual pixel. "When light hits a plasma it turns their blacks grey" is actually true for LCD as LCD always has a back-lit source which prevents true "inky black levels" that are possible from plasma. Localized LED dimming on LCD's attempt to solve this by shutting off the backlight in darker areas of a screen so that the native resolution can get better on LCD's . This helps, but no LCD has a native contrast ratio better than the best plasmas out there.rastan
The acid test for any display is to watch a starry night scene, or perhaps a fireworks scene. I gauruntee that "NO" LCD TV will ever be able to show thse scenes with good image quality. Astrobuf