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#1 bonafidetk
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Its in the printed Dec issue. Now I'm a little worried.

Here is the review online, however it some how scored 4% more, giving it 66% online

http://www.pcgamer.com/review/hitman-absolution-review/

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#2 Avenger1324
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PC Gamer does seem to be one of the first reviews out, but it's also drawing a lot of flak from other journalists saying PCG have got it wrong

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/943495-hitman-absolution/64606334/723926521

Other review scores

OPM & OPM Aus - 90%

OXM - 90%

GamesmasterUK: 90 %

German "GamePro": 88%

Given today's tendency to give average games about 70%, there has to be something very different between how PC Gamer saw it and how other reviewers see it.

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#3 Darth_Kane
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Didn't PC Gamer give Dragon Age 2 a 94 ?

I guess Square Enix forgot to pay up like EA did

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#4 skrat_01
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Yeah it has been doing the rounds. I'll wait for more reviews and critical opinion. I can't say I've agreed with PCG's reviews over the years (the DA2 was atrocious), however they're a source that's willing to stick its neck and opinion out there.

Other review scores

OPM & OPM Aus - 90%

OXM - 90%

GamesmasterUK: 90 %

German "GamePro": 88%

Given today's tendency to give average games about 70%, there has to be something very different between how PC Gamer saw it and how other reviewers see it.

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And I wouldn't ever put serious consideration into any official' magazine review. Gamesmaster or GamePro Ger, no idea.
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#5 jrorl63
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The reviewer has no idea what he is talking about. Thats ONE bad review which has no impact on the fact that im going to get this game on release and love the hell out of it
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#6 Treflis
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Why are you worried? So one guy who writes what he thinks about a game didn't like it, you probably don't share the same view. I know I sure don't until I've tried the game myself.
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#7 MythPro1
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The game is bad and you should feel bad! Does my review sway you!?!?!
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#8 chrisrooR
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I'm not. Apparently the reviewer completely overlooked several features he said weren't included in the game, and rushed out the review for the sake of being one of the first to review it.
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#9 bonafidetk
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[QUOTE="Treflis"]Why are you worried? So one guy who writes what he thinks about a game didn't like it, you probably don't share the same view. I know I sure don't until I've tried the game myself.

I just think how could any possible reviewer give it 62% unless its really bad? 70+ and I wouldnt really be that bothered about it. Then again this 62% does seem to contrast with a lot of other reviews.
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#10 SouL-Tak3R
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I bet he is just a horrible reviewer. If he is wrong, hopefully he is fired. Makes Pc Gamer look bad.

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#11 Lost-to-Apathy
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Critics are getting so fuking boring.

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#12 Treflis
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[QUOTE="bonafidetk"][QUOTE="Treflis"]Why are you worried? So one guy who writes what he thinks about a game didn't like it, you probably don't share the same view. I know I sure don't until I've tried the game myself.

I just think how could any possible reviewer give it 62% unless its really bad? 70+ and I wouldnt really be that bothered about it. Then again this 62% does seem to contrast with a lot of other reviews.

Again, the reviewers write about games based on how they like it. Just like movie reviewers. Doesn't mean you'd feel the same way. Make up your own opinion about a game rather then rely on some other person's opinion.
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#13 SPYDER0416
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I bet he is just a horrible reviewer. If he is wrong, hopefully he is fired. Makes Pc Gamer look bad.

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Yeah guys, lets call anyone willing to give their honest opinion on a game and not willing to make a concession on a game they feel strongly about "terrible" and hope they get banned! That's a mature attitude!

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#14 Jebus213
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Maybe the PC version is bad and Square Enix should feel bad.
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#15 jakes456
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Hitman Conviction coming to a store near you!

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#16 Night_Ryda
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By simply going against the grain and being the first to review he's already earned his 15 mins of fame. I call troll myself.

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#17 deactivated-57e5de5e137a4
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I like how no one here has played it but still feels qualified to call any review right or wrong.

I have no idea if they are accurate, and I strongly disagreed with their assessment of Dragon Age 2, but let's not forget that this is potentially one of the games that Square Enix was paying people to write good things about in the Wainwright scandal.

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#18 Ragingbear505
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[QUOTE="SouL-Tak3R"]

I bet he is just a horrible reviewer. If he is wrong, hopefully he is fired. Makes Pc Gamer look bad.

SPYDER0416

Yeah guys, lets call anyone willing to give their honest opinion on a game and not willing to make a concession on a game they feel strongly about "terrible" and hope they get banned! That's a mature attitude!



The issue is that people who have claimed to have played/reviewed the game say the PC Gamer review is filled with factual inaccuracies and misleading criticisms. Though to be honest with all the fanboyism some of these so-called "critics and testers" have displayed even those complaints are in question. Nobody seems to give a straight answer on anything. For example the whole game can be played in story mode and then replayed in a more freeform contracts mode. PCG claimed that in story mode assassinations play out as cutscenes that take control away from the player. Others claimed this is patently false and control is never taken from the player. Others have said that PCG was right but that there were only cutscenes like that in story mode and not contracts. The fact that you get varying answers on a simple issue is suspicious.

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#19 SPYDER0416
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[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

[QUOTE="SouL-Tak3R"]

I bet he is just a horrible reviewer. If he is wrong, hopefully he is fired. Makes Pc Gamer look bad.

Ragingbear505

Yeah guys, lets call anyone willing to give their honest opinion on a game and not willing to make a concession on a game they feel strongly about "terrible" and hope they get banned! That's a mature attitude!



The issue is that people who have claimed to have played/reviewed the game say the PC Gamer review is filled with factual inaccuracies and misleading criticisms. Though to be honest with all the fanboyism some of these so-called "critics and testers" have displayed even those complaints are in question. Nobody seems to give a straight answer on anything. For example the whole game can be played in story mode and then replayed in a more freeform contracts mode. PCG claimed that in story mode assassinations play out as cutscenes that take control away from the player. Others claimed this is patently false and control is never taken from the player. Others have said that PCG was right but that there were only cutscenes like that in story mode and not contracts. The fact that you get varying answers on a simple issue is suspicious.

Yeah if we're going to call the quality of a review and it's reviewer into question, let's at least play or know about the damn game ourselves instead of looking like idiots if it turns out he's right and we echo the same opinion.

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#20 nutcrackr
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I'll play it myself but my expectations have lowered based on this review
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#21 the_ChEeSe_mAn2
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Has anyone actually read the review? Or are you all just looking at the score and drawing a conclusion?
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#22 bonafidetk
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I'll play it myself but my expectations have lowered based on this reviewnutcrackr
absolutely. Ive played all the hitman games over the years. Even with their flaws I did enjoy them a lot. I'm a little worried absolution looks more like SC:Conviction than a hitman game but watching the play through of the 5 hits in 1 level, it does still seem like a hitman game.
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#23 bonafidetk
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Has anyone actually read the review? Or are you all just looking at the score and drawing a conclusion?the_ChEeSe_mAn2
I read the review, thats why I posted about it. Its not online though so Im not sure I can really share it.
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#24 the_ChEeSe_mAn2
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[QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"]Has anyone actually read the review? Or are you all just looking at the score and drawing a conclusion?bonafidetk
I read the review, thats why I posted about it. Its not online though so Im not sure I can really share it.

Yeah you probably did, but what about the rest of us? Also who wrote the review?
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#25 deactivated-59d151f079814
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It does make me scratch my head especially when the game is getting praised by basically every other reviewer at this time..
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#26 deactivated-5f0340ca5ecca
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I've played every Hitman game in the series, and this "review" is not going to stop me from playing the new game.
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#27 bonafidetk
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It does make me scratch my head especially when the game is getting praised by basically every other reviewer at this time.. sSubZerOo
have you not noticed the trend that pre-release reviews are generally very positive for games? I think publishers have an embargo against bad pre-release reviews of games most of the time. After its released though publishers cant control negative reviews.
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#28 deactivated-5920bf77daa85
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If you aren't sure, you can always wait for more reviews.

Certainly, I wouldn't put much stock in PC Gamer reviews. There have been a number of reviews that seemed off since the mid 90's, even moreso than Gamespot reviews.

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#29 lawlessx
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Should note these guys gave DA2 a very high score

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#31 kozzy1234
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PC Gamer also gave Max Payne 50/100.

Not to mention gave two of this gensz most dissapointing games super amazing reviews, Dragon Age 2 and Farcry2.

PC Gamer is not the end all for pc gaming reviews, I have dissagreed with them many times in the past.

Praising Dragon Age2 like its the best rpg ever and acting like Farcry2 wasnt a pile of crap to. While MAx Payne3 which is a good game gets 50/100?
Ill try Hitman myself and make a judgement, the other reviews are 8/10 and 9/10 ones so far so well see.

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#32 Lost-to-Apathy
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PC Gamer also gave Max Payne 50/100.

Not to mention gave two of this gensz most dissapointing games super amazing reviews, Dragon Age 2 and Farcry2.

PC Gamer is not the end all for pc gaming reviews, I have dissagreed with them many times in the past.

Praising Dragon Age2 like its the best rpg ever and acting like Farcry2 wasnt a pile of crap to. While MAx Payne3 which is a good game gets 50/100?
Ill try Hitman myself and make a judgement, the other reviews are 8/10 and 9/10 ones so far so well see.

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Trust me. The reviewer is full of crap. You'll see when you play it for yourself.
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#33 kozzy1234
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[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

PC Gamer also gave Max Payne 50/100.

Not to mention gave two of this gensz most dissapointing games super amazing reviews, Dragon Age 2 and Farcry2.

PC Gamer is not the end all for pc gaming reviews, I have dissagreed with them many times in the past.

Praising Dragon Age2 like its the best rpg ever and acting like Farcry2 wasnt a pile of crap to. While MAx Payne3 which is a good game gets 50/100?
Ill try Hitman myself and make a judgement, the other reviews are 8/10 and 9/10 ones so far so well see.

Lost-to-Apathy

Trust me. The reviewer is full of crap. You'll see when you play it for yourself.

I already have it preordered, Ive just learned over the years nto to pay attention to reviews, especially pc gamer ones.

I am lookign at some other reviews right now and here is what we have:

- 90% - Playstation OPfficial Magazine UK = This is a fantastic package - a dark, witty tale of death and retribution that can be whatever you want it to. It captures the ebb and flow of tension that stealth games forgot about years ago, but presents it in a way that feels utterly contemporary.

- 90% - Playstation Official Magazine Australia = Hitman: Absolution absolutely nails the modern gaming trope of presenting oodles of gameplay choice. It would be an insult to polarise Absolution into 'stealth' or 'action', where the real beauty of the game is found in the fertile grey area in between.

- 88% - Game Informer - The levels are sprawling, gorgeous, multifaceted playgrounds to hunt down and kill your targets in, and feature some of the most impressive crowds seen this generation.

- 90% - Official Xbox Magazein UK - Everything about the world revolves around entertaining you, whether it's the wide scope of murder-options or the amazing dialogue in between. Whatever kind of killer you decide you want to be, Absolution is an unmissable hit.

The only other review out is the PC Gamer one, as you can see they are in the minoriety. Seen the first 4 levels on youtube and it seemed fun as hell to me, will be interesting to see for myself this week.

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#34 AFBrat77
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Didn't PC Gamer give Dragon Age 2 a 94 ?

I guess Square Enix forgot to pay up like EA did

Darth_Kane

Pc Gamer gave DOOM 3 a 94% in exchange for a first review!

They used to be a great magazine in the late 90's but quality fell with later editors

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#35 SouL-Tak3R
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Let's say someone that is a big fps fan that never played an rpg before. Would you trust his opinion on reviewing an rpg in an official magazine that should include professionals that should not be biased and review based purely on their ignorant opinion and lack of reseach?

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#36 BattleSpectre
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It's a persons opinion for crying out loud, he's allowed to vote the game however he likes whether it is biased or not. Save your judgment until you've played the game for yourself.

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#37 G-O-A-T
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Its a bull review dont sweat it

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#38 kris9031998
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PC gamer also gave a 55 to max payne 3...so yeah
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#39 Chiddaling
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Lol critics. I'll see it for myself.
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#40 SharkheadHD
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Why are so many of you worried about numerical values used in just another subjective review of a videogame? PC Gamer's percentages don't actually mean anything, they're just a gauge for stupid people who don't want to bother reading the review and want to assume things based off of a number.

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#41 TruedUp
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Penny Arcade replied to this review. http://penny-arcade.com/report/editorial-article/dont-believe-the-blogs-the-pc-version-of-hitman-absolution-is-just-fine

"The moral of this story? Dont trust blog posts with no firsthand knowledge of a game to re-write an existing review. Things end badly for everyone."

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#42 CUDGEdave
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I don't go by these pompous reviewers,I'd rather read reviews form gamers themselves.

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#43 couly
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PC Gamer gave Far Cry 2 94%. Enough said.
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#44 SPYDER0416
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Conan O'Brien rated it Aqua Marine (and seemed to like it), so I'd say I will probably be buying it based on his completely amateur review and lack of knowledge of videogames in general.

Also PC Gamer I like, but like with anyone their reviews are their opinions, so take it with a grain of salt and look at other reviews too.

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#45 bonafidetk
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http://www.pcgamer.com/review/hitman-absolution-review/

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#46 alan_carter
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Conan O'Brien rated it Aqua Marine (and seemed to like it), so I'd say I will probably be buying it based on his completely amateur review and lack of knowledge of videogames in general.

Also PC Gamer I like, but like with anyone their reviews are their opinions, so take it with a grain of salt and look at other reviews too.

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LMAO just watched the video and lol'd so hard. Reviews like this make me wanna buy the game.
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#47 nutcrackr
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Kevin didn't really like the offensiveness of some of the characters and dialogue, he repeated this fact a few times. AI breaks when it goes full shooting, again that might not be a huge issue for me. The big one though is that some missions break down into linear point shooting sequences. Perhaps this is for core story moments where 47 gets caught or trapped? I hope that at least most of the missions are open and non linear. PC gamer hated the fact that checkpoint saves don't seem to save anything. Which to me is absurd, that would completely ruin things if suddenly guards you killed just came back to life. Manual save system would almost fix this. rock paper shotgun hated a lot of it, saying that in general it isn't much like hitman and that it's stupidly hard to take the non lethal approach. Admittedly he didn't sound very patient which seems to be key to stealth games. He also said that it lacks direction, no longer is 47 out on contracts, he's just getting through levels and putting up with escape sequences inspired by other games. I have to wonder why it all went so wrong. The levels we were shown sound like they are the best and previews loved them. So why did they produce so few of them? RPS even says the chinatown is one of the best. Another day and I'll see for myself. My expectations are very low now though and I'm disappointed to hear that another game is likely going to be a flop. Far Cry 3 is all that is left to save this year it seems.
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#48 chrisrooR
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Ign review is up. 9/10 http://ca.ign.com/articles/2012/11/18/hitman-absolution-review THE VERDICT Like Dishonored before it, its actually a true pleasure to play a game that lets you tackle it from multiple angles. After several years of increasingly totalitarian games where youre very much following a pre-determined path, its nice to have a game that doesnt just encourage improvisation; it requires it.
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#49 Macutchi
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just watched the gs review... didn't push my buttons tbh.. ill wait for a sale or somethin

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#50 Ragingbear505
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Sadly the PC Gamer sounded less like fanboyish ramblings and more like valid criticisms.

I guess the main killer points for me are.

-Levels are broken up into segments with linear progression
-Flawed disguised mechanics that require instinct which requires you to perform kills to replenish
-No loadouts at the start of missions
-Loadouts don't carry over
-Focus on story, not gameplay
-Gameplay choices restricted to level design
-Assassinations that play out in gunkata mode

It's a no-buy for me. At least until it hits bargain bin Steam prices