PC gamers - do you trust BioWare to code future games correctly, or mess it up?

Let's face it, a lot of gamers are wondering if BioWare will pull another fast one, and write an ending for Dragon Age 3 that will be somewhat similar to ME3, meaning another deus ex machina ending.

Gamers, what is your opinion? Please vote in the poll.

We already know where some of DA 3 will take place.

[spoiler] Bodahn mentions traveling to Orlais. [/spoiler]

Thoughts?

They will make a mediocre and shallow game, that will be praised by gaming journalists and adored by casuals.

They will make a mediocre and shallow game, that will be praised by gaming journalists and adored by casuals.

QQabitmoar

Since the DA games don't connect very strongly like ME does, I think it would be harder to f*ck it up, but you never know. DA2 was pretty damn awful.

I think DA3 will be better than DA2 but don't expect it to be as good as DA1. Bioware has shown they are trying to attract the casual crowd now. DA3 will have some more exploration than DA2 and probably less respawning enemies, but the gameplay will be pretty much the same. I expect the ending to be better than ME3's ending, but the overall story will be very linear. I don't think there is any importing previous story into DA3, so you start out as a new human hero (rogue, mage, warrior). Then play through a mostly linear story. You can make some minor choices, but the story pretty much plays out the same every time. Gone are the origin stories where you can start in different parts of the world or the different playable races. Sure there will be other races that join your party, but your character will always be human. Also, the hero will be fully voiced, limited the possible dialogue choices.

I don't overtly trust any company until I can play a demo or get the opinion of a friend who has similar tastes to mine.

One thing that bothers me with ME is that they seen, after each game, to strip interaction even further in sake of a 'cinematic experience'. Some quests in 3, involved pushing a button to see a cutscene in a physical space that didn't even existed inside the game; such space or characters involved in the quests forever disappear after.

They should do away with all the good/evil point bars and special answers if you got enough points. Other than that they should really go back to the drawing board and establish priorities other than voice-overs, cinematics and stupid romances. Try to make interesting maps, good AI, good gameplay. Put traps on dungeons, decent riddles, interesting enemies. For the love of God no maps so blocky it feels like you're playing Minecraft (or endless corridors).

So no, I don't trust them to do anything right.

They will make a mediocre and shallow game, that will be praised by gaming journalists and adored by casuals.

QQabitmoar

pretty much this

the only bioware game that i'm at least curious to see how it will turn out is cnc generals 2 (i've heard they are the ones making it), but i'm sure they will fail completely. they will turn a real time strategy game into a homosexual dating sim/cover shooter like they're doing with all their new games and bioware fandroids will sing endless praises to it and damn all the people that hate it because it's "too deep" for them, or smth

[QUOTE="QQabitmoar"]

They will make a mediocre and shallow game, that will be praised by gaming journalists and adored by casuals.

i_saw_a_mudcrab

pretty much this

the only bioware game that i'm at least curious to see how it will turn out is cnc generals 2 (i've heard they are the ones making it), but i'm sure they will fail completely. they will turn a real time strategy game into a homosexual dating sim/cover shooter like they're doing with all their new games and bioware fandroids will sing endless praises to it and damn all the people that hate it because it's "too deep" for them, or smth

they will screw it up, no brainer. bioware can not do endings

Things go nuts when they turn mainstream. Enjoy the first release of the saga as much as u can cos latter will suck and dissapoint.

they do better tha i could... and be honest better than you could either

they do better tha i could... and be honest better than you could either

undeadgoon

Dragon Age II was atrocious, Mass Effect 3 was mediocre and as of now they are raping Ultima's corpse. I don't expect anything good from Bioware anymore.RyuRanVII

they do better tha i could... and be honest better than you could either

undeadgoon

[QUOTE="undeadgoon"]

they do better tha i could... and be honest better than you could either

bonafidetk

simple if you dont like it dont buy it.... or you could buy it and then bith on the forums... oh wait

[QUOTE="bonafidetk"][QUOTE="undeadgoon"]

they do better tha i could... and be honest better than you could either

undeadgoon

simple if you dont like it dont buy it.... or you could buy it and then bith on the forums... oh wait

Mass Effect 1 was probably my most favorite modern BioWare game they've ever done. ME2 was a disappointment, but it was playable. I still have a hard time finishing ME3. All the things I've heard about the ending makes me not care about the game at all at this point. Developers redoing endings in video games now? That's got to be an all-new low.

Mass Effect 1 was probably my most favorite modern BioWare game they've ever done. ME2 was a disappointment, but it was playable. I still have a hard time finishing ME3. All the things I've heard about the ending makes me not care about the game at all at this point. Developers redoing endings in video games now? That's got to be an all-new low.

Elann2008

They didn't change the endinging, they added in calrification that should have been there to begin with. It had no end otherwise. It was well deserved, and they didnt change what was already there, so the crying fans who wanted a new end didnt get what they wanted anyways.

The way to look at ME3 is not as a game with an end, but the entire game IS the end of the series.

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]

Mass Effect 1 was probably my most favorite modern BioWare game they've ever done. ME2 was a disappointment, but it was playable. I still have a hard time finishing ME3. All the things I've heard about the ending makes me not care about the game at all at this point. Developers redoing endings in video games now? That's got to be an all-new low.

wis3boi

They didn't change the endinging, they added in calrification that should have been there to begin with. It had no end otherwise. It was well deserved, and they didnt change what was already there, so the crying fans who wanted a new end didnt get what they wanted anyways.

The way to look at ME3 is not as a game with an end, but the entire game IS the end of the series.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]

Mass Effect 1 was probably my most favorite modern BioWare game they've ever done. ME2 was a disappointment, but it was playable. I still have a hard time finishing ME3. All the things I've heard about the ending makes me not care about the game at all at this point. Developers redoing endings in video games now? That's got to be an all-new low.

Elann2008

They didn't change the endinging, they added in calrification that should have been there to begin with. It had no end otherwise. It was well deserved, and they didnt change what was already there, so the crying fans who wanted a new end didnt get what they wanted anyways.

The way to look at ME3 is not as a game with an end, but the entire game IS the end of the series.

it is true the whole game is the ending since the whole game you go finishing plot lines from previous games but the game itself was mediocre, the side quests are the worst of the whole trilogy, the choises are non existant and it has some major plot holes. It is a decent game, but the bad design choises made it mediocre.

[QUOTE="Elann2008"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]

They didn't change the endinging, they added in calrification that should have been there to begin with. It had no end otherwise. It was well deserved, and they didnt change what was already there, so the crying fans who wanted a new end didnt get what they wanted anyways.

The way to look at ME3 is not as a game with an end, but the entire game IS the end of the series.

Krelian-co

it is true the whole game is the ending since the whole game you go finishing plot lines from previous games but the game itself was mediocre, the side quests are the worst of the whole trilogy, the choises are non existant and it has some major plot holes. It is a decent game, but the bad design choises made it mediocre.

I still play it for a few select missions and i find the combat and customization the best of all the ME games. I'd kill for an ME1 and 2 remake with ME3's combat and item diversity.

The ending is not the problem...how the entire game will be, because the ending of ME 3 was the last of its story problems, it had 23-25 hours of mediocre content before it. I believe they will offer a decent experience, I am however worried about the same thing I was for ME 3, multiplayer, it will have it, there's no doubt, it will be a complete failure no matter what they do unless it's CO-OP. DanielDust

I think BioWare's only mistake so far was trying to make DA2 too much like Mass Effect. We already had those games and didn't need another one. One of the resons Dragon Age: Origins was so great is that it was different from Mass Effect in setting and gameplay.

If the Dragon Age franchise had come out before Mass Effect I don't think it would have got nearly as much stick as it did.

Besides, considering Bioware's skill at storytelling, I went along with DA2 even if I didn't agree with some of the changes they had made so in a way it was just as good as anything else they've done.

So, no, my faith in Bioware is pretty much unshakeable. I think they only people who come close to their writing team is Ken Levine and Hideo Kojima. Everyone else plays second fiddle.

I think BioWare's only mistake so far was trying to make DA2 too much like Mass Effect. We already had those games and didn't need another one. One of the resons Dragon Age: Origins was so great is that it was different from Mass Effect in setting and gameplay.

If the Dragon Age franchise had come out before Mass Effect I don't think it would have got nearly as much stick as it did.

Besides, considering Bioware's skill at storytelling, I went along with DA2 even if I didn't agree with some of the changes they had made so in a way it was just as good as anything else they've done.

So, no, my faith in Bioware is pretty much unshakeable. I think they only people who come close to their writing team is Ken Levine and Hideo Kojima. Everyone else plays second fiddle.

[QUOTE="Starshine_M2A2"]

I think BioWare's only mistake so far was trying to make DA2 too much like Mass Effect. We already had those games and didn't need another one. One of the resons Dragon Age: Origins was so great is that it was different from Mass Effect in setting and gameplay.

If the Dragon Age franchise had come out before Mass Effect I don't think it would have got nearly as much stick as it did.

Besides, considering Bioware's skill at storytelling, I went along with DA2 even if I didn't agree with some of the changes they had made so in a way it was just as good as anything else they've done.

So, no, my faith in Bioware is pretty much unshakeable. I think they only people who come close to their writing team is Ken Levine and Hideo Kojima. Everyone else plays second fiddle.

WizardGlass

ME3 was written as a team collboratively and peer reviewed before being put into the game, and the end was written by one man, casey hudson, who shut himself into his room and disallowed any peer review of it. It's no wonder it ended up half-assed and needed a patched clarification to it.

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[QUOTE="Elann2008"] Thanks for clearing that up. Well, I'm glad the crying fans didn't get what they wanted. I always feel that a game should be started and it should end with the developer's vision. Not the gamer's. And then let us judge it when we've played the game. The last sentence really has me intrigued. I might find the time to finish it now. Thanks.wis3boi

it is true the whole game is the ending since the whole game you go finishing plot lines from previous games but the game itself was mediocre, the side quests are the worst of the whole trilogy, the choises are non existant and it has some major plot holes. It is a decent game, but the bad design choises made it mediocre.

I still play it for a few select missions and i find the combat and customization the best of all the ME games. I'd kill for an ME1 and 2 remake with ME3's combat and item diversity.

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[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

it is true the whole game is the ending since the whole game you go finishing plot lines from previous games but the game itself was mediocre, the side quests are the worst of the whole trilogy, the choises are non existant and it has some major plot holes. It is a decent game, but the bad design choises made it mediocre.

Ravenshout

I still play it for a few select missions and i find the combat and customization the best of all the ME games. I'd kill for an ME1 and 2 remake with ME3's combat and item diversity.

And your point? Bioware games are always linear as f*ck.

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[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

I still play it for a few select missions and i find the combat and customization the best of all the ME games. I'd kill for an ME1 and 2 remake with ME3's combat and item diversity.

wis3boi

And your point? Bioware games are always linear as f*ck.

one thing is being linear, another is putting mini games that are annoying and feel like a chore just to add gameplay time

Dragon Age II was atrocious, Mass Effect 3 was mediocre and as of now they are raping Ultima's corpse. I don't expect anything good from Bioware anymore.RyuRanVII

This, I loved Bioware but that's all in the past. A past they willfully abandoned.

I hope they scrap literally evything from DA 2 and make dragon age 3 exactly like origins...

Alas,I know that wont happen!At least...scrap the r******* combat animations from DA 2,bioware!!

After Dragon Age 2 and the even worse Mass Effect 3, I wouldn't trust BioWare to make a Call of Duty sequel.

[QUOTE="DanielDust"]The ending is not the problem...how the entire game will be, because the ending of ME 3 was the last of its story problems, it had 23-25 hours of mediocre content before it. I believe they will offer a decent experience, I am however worried about the same thing I was for ME 3, multiplayer, it will have it, there's no doubt, it will be a complete failure no matter what they do unless it's CO-OP. WizardGlass

I hope they scrap literally evything from DA 2 and make dragon age 3 exactly like origins...

Alas,I know that wont happen!At least...scrap the r******* combat animations from DA 2,bioware!!

call_of_duty_10

[QUOTE="WizardGlass"][QUOTE="DanielDust"]The ending is not the problem...how the entire game will be, because the ending of ME 3 was the last of its story problems, it had 23-25 hours of mediocre content before it. I believe they will offer a decent experience, I am however worried about the same thing I was for ME 3, multiplayer, it will have it, there's no doubt, it will be a complete failure no matter what they do unless it's CO-OP. DanielDust

[QUOTE="WizardGlass"][QUOTE="DanielDust"]The ending is not the problem...how the entire game will be, because the ending of ME 3 was the last of its story problems, it had 23-25 hours of mediocre content before it. I believe they will offer a decent experience, I am however worried about the same thing I was for ME 3, multiplayer, it will have it, there's no doubt, it will be a complete failure no matter what they do unless it's CO-OP. DanielDust

Where's the statistics?Ravenshout

a writing team that cant come up with something better than a color coded ending that flies in the face of the rest of the ME series? dont get me wrong, everything right up to the last 15 minutes of ME3 was stellar. absolutely awesome story telling. however, that amazing story telling was utterly ruined by the attrocity that is the ending. just goes to show that a lot of a good thing can be completely ruined by just a little of a really bad thing.WizardGlass

All I was expecting was the same premise of ME1 and ME2, where choices drove the ending. If my choices had any bearing on the endgame of ME3, then I would have been 100% satisfied.

What we got instead was an ending where choices were tossed in the trash can. Everyone that played The Witcher liked having choices, and I suspect that's what most gamers wanted for ME3.

Think bioware should try an get out of the contract with ea..Its ea holding them back..Giving them a deadline when to release games..In the past bioware never made sequels now its 1 2 and 3..They never once did this..They had original ips every time..Now with ea, there trying to change this and it ruins them i think..Its a shame one of the best dev teams ruined bye ea..

Dragon age origins to me was not as great as baldurs gate 2 but it was just as fun..Still play it from time to time..How ever like some said, dragon age 2 is more like me 1..In a rpg you really cant do this..Myself i look forward to fat loot after killing that dragon..In da2 where was this..Shame they even took out the loot..No customization its a shame reallly..Why did this happen because ea rushed them to get it out for a quick dollar hurting there image..Ea how ever does not care what we think...Look now every game ea makes has to be online..They say its because its the game made that way..Im calling bullcrap its because there trying to fight piracy also but thats another story..Ea is all about the almighty dollar an not about its fan base..The company grew so big it forgot its roots and thats a shame..

Me 1 was a enjoyable game in its own right..Now people cried about the inventory system an the loot system..So instead of making it easier they decided lets strip it out an get rid of it..Man thats a lazy way of going about business..Holy crap..Thats like me forgetting some thing at work an saying oh well boss tommorow is another day..The real world doesnt work around short cuts..The me series couldve been one of the best shooter rpgs ever..Instead they streamlined it..In the old days bioware wouldve done a great job with this..Now because of ea rushing them its all crap..

Ive yet to here any news about dragon age 3 so maybe its a good thing..Da2 was already getting news as soon as da0 was finished..Maybe there taking there time on it...Releasing it in 2015 that would be the right thing to do..Wait make it the best game they can..

Think bioware should try an get out of the contract with ea..Its ea holding them back..Giving them a deadline when to release games..In the past bioware never made sequels now its 1 2 and 3..They never once did this..They had original ips every time..Now with ea, there trying to change this and it ruins them i think..Its a shame one of the best dev teams ruined bye ea..Gladestone1

Ehh...two of their first four games were sequels, and their first three RPGs all had expansion packs. They only really started doing the one-off unique IP thing during their pre-EA 'xbox exclusive' days.

Ea how ever does not care what we think...Look now every game ea makes has to be online..They say its because its the game made that way..Im calling bullcrap its because there trying to fight piracy also but thats another story..Ea is all about the almighty dollar an not about its fan base..The company grew so big it forgot its roots and thats a shame..Gladestone1

To be fair, all of Bioware's early RPGs had online play.

Hell, Dragon Age was originally supposed to be online-focused, but those plans were scrapped after EA bought out their company. Also, I don't think people complained all that much about ME3's online play - it was the writing at the end that was terrible, and that's all on Bioware.

The me series couldve been one of the best shooter rpgs ever..Instead they streamlined it..In the old days bioware wouldve done a great job with this..Now because of ea rushing them its all crap..Gladestone1

Which old days are we talking about here? Maybe back in the late 90s or the early 2000s, when Bioware was making deep-ish RPGs...but they were already making streamlined, console-exclusive action-RPGs before EA bought their company (see Jade Empire - which I really enjoyed, but it's no different to their current titles).