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#1 Gammit10
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The panel was a bunch of people from PC Gamer, PC Gamer UK, Rock Paper Shotgun, and Edge

some highlights:

99.) Call of Duty 4

97.) Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory

95.) Far Cry 2

94.) Dawn of War II

81.) Gothic 2(really? better than CoD4?)

77.) Crysis

75.) Tie Fighter

63.) Beyond Good and Evil

60.) Planetside(woohoo!)

57.) Eve Online

54.) Red Alert 2

50.) Dragon Age: Origins

48.) The Longest Journey

47.) Left 4 Dead

46.) Stalker: SoC

44.) Diablo 2

42.) Peggle

41.) Grim Fandango

39.) Day of the Tentacle

38.) Darwinia

37.) Battlefield 2

35.) Company of Heroes

34.) Unreal Tournament

33.) Mass Effect

29.) Max Payne 2

28.) Bioshock

26.) KOTOR

25.) Baldur's Gate 2

23.) Starcraft

20.) World of Goo

18.) UT 2004(ANOTHER UT game?)

17.) Portal

16.) System Shock 2

15.) GTA IV

14.) WoW

13.) Counter Strike

12.) Civ IV

11.) X-Com: UFO Defense

10.) Fallout 3

9.) Thief II

8.) Planescape: Torment

7.) Fallout

6.) Oblivion

5.) Rome: Total War

4.) Half-Life

3.) Team Fortress 2

2.) Half-Life 2

1.) Deus Ex

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#2 TheCrazed420
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Starcraft #23? No Homeworld?
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#3 dbowman
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Strange how GTA IV is very high up on the list, and yet GTA III or Vice City don't get a mention.

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#4 Gammit10
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Yeah, there's no way World of Goo belongs that high either.
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#5 millerlight89
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The judges are so fail. No way in hell should GTA 4 be up there or Far Cry 2.
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#6 kdawg88
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I totally agree with this list, particularly the top 2

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#7 Gammit10
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I totally agree with this list, particularly the top 2kdawg88
Yeah, I think the top few are spot-on.
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#8 PerilousWolf
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Absurd list. GTAIV higher than Diablo II on a PC game chart? Good night

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#9 Gammit10
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Absurd list. GTAIV higher than Diablo II on a PC game chart? Good night

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Yeah, that's a bit of a f***-up, isn't it?
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#10 spinoff
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Don't worry, they redo the list every couple of years because they run out of things to talk about so I wouldn't get too worked up about it.

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#11 RichardStallman
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>CoD IV >GTA IV How about no.
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#12 N30F3N1X
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StarCraft #23, GTA 4 #15, Fallout 3 #10, World of Goo #20?

I...am impressed. Some judges are really utter morons.

Just noticed Diablo 2 @ 44.

Oh my. Utter morons is a compliment.

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#13 lpjazzman220
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why is ut on there but not quake 3.....

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#14 psn8214
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GTA IV is on that list, and Freelancer isn't? lolwut?

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#15 kdawg88
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why is ut on there but not quake 3.....

lpjazzman220
lol I made the same mistake...they're highlights, its not the actual list. This is it: http://www.pcgamertop100.com/editorial/
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[QUOTE="lpjazzman220"]

why is ut on there but not quake 3.....

kdawg88

lol I made the same mistake...they're highlights, its not the actual list. This is it: http://www.pcgamertop100.com/editorial/

that is much better, but i seriously dont agree with fallout 3 or oblivion being on that list, least not in the top 20

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#17 XD4NTESINF3RNOX
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Kotor 23? really should be the top ten and DoW 2 should be higher also don't really agree with this list at all
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[QUOTE="kdawg88"][QUOTE="lpjazzman220"]

why is ut on there but not quake 3.....

lpjazzman220

lol I made the same mistake...they're highlights, its not the actual list. This is it: http://www.pcgamertop100.com/editorial/

that is much better, but i seriously dont agree with fallout 3 or oblivion being on that list, least not in the top 20

Really? I thought Oblivion was an amazing game, I mean they clearly put a huge effort into its development with all the content.
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Kotor 23? really should be the top ten and DoW 2 should be higher also don't really agree with this list at allXD4NTESINF3RNOX

It's not the full list. The only major problems I have are GTA4 and World of Goo so high, Vice City is one of my most favorite PC games of all time, just finished another playthrough two weeks back or so.

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[QUOTE="lpjazzman220"]

[QUOTE="kdawg88"] lol I made the same mistake...they're highlights, its not the actual list. This is it: http://www.pcgamertop100.com/editorial/kdawg88

that is much better, but i seriously dont agree with fallout 3 or oblivion being on that list, least not in the top 20

Really? I thought Oblivion was an amazing game, I mean they clearly put a huge effort into its development with all the content.

yeah, but the game got really lame after about 10+hours, and i got really tired of the same 5 voice actor. also, the facial effects and the animation got pretty grating. it really seemed to be morrorwind, but not as deep and with fewer voice actors, but really pretty effects and long draw distance, but ugly textures

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#21 -Origin-
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Surprised they didn't mention Sins of a Solar Empire, they love that game at pcg.

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#22 AdamK47
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It's not a valid list without Homeworld.

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Crysis #77:roll:

Tat list needs lot of editing

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#24 NoctisCaelum52
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What the **** ? GTA IV # 15 ?! I see no Sims !
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#25 SpaceMoose
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Half-Life 2 at number 2 makes me laugh...or cry. I'm not sure which. Starcraft being all the way down at number 23 is just bat**** insane, especially when I look and see World of Goo at number 20. What the **** is that nonsense? :lol:

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No Railroad Tycoon 3. World of Freaking Goo but no Railroad Tycoon 3. List fail.

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They got the first 2 right, no doubt about that.

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Half-Life 2 at number 2 makes me laugh...or cry. I'm not sure which. Starcraft being all the way down at number 23 is just bat**** insane, especially when I look and see World of Goo at number 20. What the **** is that nonsense? :lol:

SpaceMoose

No Railroad Tycoon 3. World of Freaking Goo but no Railroad Tycoon 3. List fail.

SpaceMoose
You don't think HL 2 deserves it's spot, but think Rail Road Tycoon should be up there? Are you kidding me?
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[QUOTE="SpaceMoose"]

Half-Life 2 at number 2 makes me laugh...or cry. I'm not sure which. Starcraft being all the way down at number 23 is just bat**** insane, especially when I look and see World of Goo at number 20. What the **** is that nonsense? :lol:

millerlight89

No Railroad Tycoon 3. World of Freaking Goo but no Railroad Tycoon 3. List fail.

SpaceMoose
You don't think HL 2 deserves it's spot, but think Rail Road Tycoon should be up there? Are you kidding me?

I think Half-Life 2 is incredibly boring and I won't understand what is so great about it in a hundred years, so no, I'm not kidding. Of course, I still don't get why people fawn over first person shooters in general, let alone that one. I'll say one thing: The oft-mentioned gravity gun did absolutely nothing for me.
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Half-Life 2 at number 2 makes me laugh...or cry. I'm not sure which. Starcraft being all the way down at number 23 is just bat**** insane, especially when I look and see World of Goo at number 20. What the **** is that nonsense? :lol:

SpaceMoose

HL2 redefined shooters and is one of the most influential games since Wolfenstein 3D.

Starcraft may be popular, but it didn't have that much of an influence. All games that try to follow the Starcraft formula fail. I'd say Total Annihilation is a more important game.

World of Goo - that one and Braid are the first examples of monster indie games. They're not played because OH HEY THEY'RE INDIE AND I'M A HIPSTER, they simply transcended their condition.

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[QUOTE="SpaceMoose"]

Half-Life 2 at number 2 makes me laugh...or cry. I'm not sure which. Starcraft being all the way down at number 23 is just bat**** insane, especially when I look and see World of Goo at number 20. What the **** is that nonsense? :lol:

Baranga

HL2 redefined shooters and is one of the most influential games since Wolfenstein 3D.

Starcraft may be popular, but it didn't have that much of an influence. All games that try to follow the Starcraft formula fail. I'd say Total Annihilation is a more important game.

World of Goo - that one and Braid are the first examples of monster indie games. They're not played because OH HEY THEY'RE INDIE AND I'M A HIPSTER, they simply transcended their condition.

I have World of Goo. I thought it was an okay game. I didn't think it was fantastic or anything. It sure as hell wasn't challenging, and in what is ostensibly a "puzzle" game that's kind of a deal breaker. Half-Life 2 bored me. I don't care how much it "redefined" anything. I thought it was an utterly boring game. If it is "influential" then I consider that to be a bad thing. I've said many times in these forums that Braid is a great game. I even said I'd probably call it my favorite PC game of 2009. Whether it is "indie" or not is largely irrelevant to me, so the fact that you even brought it up just because I said World of Goo doesn't belong so high on the list strikes me as rather odd. Starcraft did 3 races that play entirely differently and managed to make them feel balanced in mutliplayer. Almost every unit in Starcraft is completely unique to that side. That is what Starcraft managed to do and do well. They also struck just the right balance of complexity for a multiplayer game meant to be played in short matches. I don't play it anymore, but I certainly put far more hours into it than any other RTS game, or most games in general for that matter.
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Where's Left 4 Dead 2? :o

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HL2 redefined shooters and is one of the most influential games since Wolfenstein 3D.

Starcraft may be popular, but it didn't have that much of an influence. All games that try to follow the Starcraft formula fail. I'd say Total Annihilation is a more important game.

World of Goo - that one and Braid are the first examples of monster indie games. They're not played because OH HEY THEY'RE INDIE AND I'M A HIPSTER, they simply transcended their condition.

Baranga

StarCraft didn't have that much of an influence?

You know the USAF Aerospace course use it as a strategy simulator to test its pilots teamwork abilities under pressure, that it's the South Korean national sport and that it was one of the first games to introduce millions of gamers to competitive gaming?

What would you say about Total Annihilation, World of Goo and Braid?

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#34 vfibsux
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That has to be the worst list I have ever seen.

And yes OP, I would put Gothic 2 ahead of COD4, and I loved both games. As an experience they would be within one of each other though. Gothic 2 for its time was the most immersive RPG I ever played. How can the first true 3d FPS not be on there? Doom? Hello?

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[QUOTE="SpaceMoose"][QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="SpaceMoose"] [QUOTE="SpaceMoose"]

No Railroad Tycoon 3. World of Freaking Goo but no Railroad Tycoon 3. List fail.

You don't think HL 2 deserves it's spot, but think Rail Road Tycoon should be up there? Are you kidding me?

I think Half-Life 2 is incredibly boring and I won't understand what is so great about it in a hundred years, so no, I'm not kidding. Of course, I still don't get why people fawn over first person shooters in general, let alone that one. I'll say one thing: The oft-mentioned gravity gun did absolutely nothing for me.

Obviously you are biased since you don't like FPS in general, how could you possibly rate HL2 as a game if you don't even get the genre?
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[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="SpaceMoose"] [QUOTE="SpaceMoose"]

No Railroad Tycoon 3. World of Freaking Goo but no Railroad Tycoon 3. List fail.

SpaceMoose

You don't think HL 2 deserves it's spot, but think Rail Road Tycoon should be up there? Are you kidding me?

I think Half-Life 2 is incredibly boring and I won't understand what is so great about it in a hundred years, so no, I'm not kidding. Of course, I still don't get why people fawn over first person shooters in general, let alone that one. I'll say one thing: The oft-mentioned gravity gun did absolutely nothing for me.

I've said on other thread reason for Valve games being so high on this list,bunch of Valve fanboys got together and voted for ''their'' games

half of top 50 don't deserve to be there

as for HL 2 being ''that''good it makes me laugh

Sturmovik at 100 and solitaire at 82 wtf

Elite at 31 and World of goo at 20 ha ha ha

Freespace 2 at 72 and Team Fortress in top 10

these ppl have never reviewed game with open mind

bloody fanboys

rant over signing off :evil:

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[QUOTE="Baranga"]

HL2 redefined shooters and is one of the most influential games since Wolfenstein 3D.

Starcraft may be popular, but it didn't have that much of an influence. All games that try to follow the Starcraft formula fail. I'd say Total Annihilation is a more important game.

World of Goo - that one and Braid are the first examples of monster indie games. They're not played because OH HEY THEY'RE INDIE AND I'M A HIPSTER, they simply transcended their condition.

N30F3N1X

StarCraft didn't have that much of an influence?

You know the USAF Aerospace course use it as a strategy simulator to test its pilots teamwork abilities under pressure, that it's the South Korean national sport and that it was one of the first games to introduce millions of gamers to competitive gaming?

What would you say about Total Annihilation, World of Goo and Braid?

And what influence does it have on games? Most popular doesn't mean it was the best. TA was a far superior product, both technologically and gameplay-wise. The Army is using countless games for training. There's much to say about the Asian obsession for Starcraft and MMOs, and it's all reduced to insularity. And being one of the first competitive games... well, it was just one game in an era characterised by the rise of online gaming.

It's a completely unoriginal but very solid product that stands in its own niche because nobody managed to polish their clones as much. Balance is what Starcraft is mostly praised for, and that was only achieved after three expansions and many, many patches. A list based on popularity and social influence would put GTA at the top. It's undeniable that other strategies achieved more than Starcraft gameplay-wise. I don't think we choose what games to play based on whose "national sport" it is. By the way, I noticed that many people really think Starcraft is South Korea's national sport:lol:

PC Gamer's list is obviously taking context into account, not just the game's quality, otherwise GTA4, Portal and Dragon Age shouldn't even be mentioned there. It's a constantly shifting list. I think the 23rd place fits it perfectly considering the situation today.Check out their 2007 list, you'll have some surprises.

TA was revolutionary, and I think someone here has a signature with 40 reasons why it's better than Starcraft.

I didn't like World of Goo to much, neither Braid. I mentioned Braid above because both these games are milestones of indie developement.

PC Gamer's list is obviously taking context into account, not just the game's quality, otherwise GTA4, Portal and Dragon Age shouldn't even be mentioned there. It's a constantly shifting list.

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Team Fortress 2 at 3? hahaha I laugh out loud
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Surprised they didn't mention Sins of a Solar Empire, they love that game at pcg.

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Yeah.....>_> Along with Crysis.....it should have at least made 50
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Team Fortress 2 at 3? hahaha I laugh out loudMrLions

Team Fortress/CS source/ UT

if you combine all three you cannot make one game out of them ;)

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Yes World of Goo at number 20. That's a great call because that game is awesome.
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Rating Oblivion higher than Fallout, Planescape and BG2 is a joke. What an idiotic list.

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#43 NLahren
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the list a fail no wc3, sims 2 or vice city
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#44 UpInFlames
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Pretty good list. I disagree with some things (Fallout 3 in the Top 10, Crysis is way too low, Beyond Good and Evil shouldn't be on there, where the hell is Heroes of Might and Magic III?), but it's good overall. Nice to see Team Fortress 2 at #3, it truly is the best multiplayer game ever made...by a longshot.

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#45 UpInFlames
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the list a fail no wc3, sims 2 or vice city NLahren

I agree that Vice City should be on there, but The Sims 2? The Sims 3 is so much better and it's #43.

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And what influence does it have on games? Most popular doesn't mean it was the best. TA was a far superior product, both technologically and gameplay-wise. The Army is using countless games for training. There's much to say about the Asian obsession for Starcraft and MMOs, and it's all reduced to insularity. And being one of the first competitive games... well, it was just one game in an era characterised by the rise of online gaming.

It's a completely unoriginal but very solid product that stands in its own niche because nobody managed to polish their clones as much. Balance is what Starcraft is mostly praised for, and that was only achieved after three expansions and many, many patches. A list based on popularity and social influence would put GTA at the top. It's undeniable that other strategies achieved more than Starcraft gameplay-wise. I don't think we choose what games to play based on whose "national sport" it is. By the way, I noticed that many people really think Starcraft is South Korea's national sport:lol:

PC Gamer's list is obviously taking context into account, not just the game's quality, otherwise GTA4, Portal and Dragon Age shouldn't even be mentioned there. It's a constantly shifting list. I think the 23rd place fits it perfectly considering the situation today.Check out their 2007 list, you'll have some surprises.

TA was revolutionary, and I think someone here has a signature with 40 reasons why it's better than Starcraft.

I didn't like World of Goo to much, neither Braid. I mentioned Braid above because both these games are milestones of indie developement.

PC Gamer's list is obviously taking context into account, not just the game's quality, otherwise GTA4, Portal and Dragon Age shouldn't even be mentioned there. It's a constantly shifting list.

Baranga

What influence does SC have on games?

Balance among completely different races, with completely different gameplay mechanics and completely different units?

Something that most, almost twelve years after SC's release, struggle to reach, yet what every competitive RTS should strive for?

Replay value, being one of the most played games online even with its outdated graphics fixed at 640x480, "inferior" to so many other games "both technologically and gameplay-wise"?

StarCraft only has one expansion, not three. The "other two" aren't official and do not count when analyzing its balance "issues", or lack thereof. Get your facts straight. Even without patches it would STILL be the most balanced RTS with three completely different races.

Yes, it's completely unoriginal and has cloned units.

It was THE best, that is why it became popular. A game doesn't become a national sport or part of a USAF Aerospace course because of hype. The "popular doesn't mean it's the best" argument is completely irrelevant.

If Total Annihilation would be even closely as good as SC it would have overshadowed SC, not the other way around. In every possible field except for AI pathfinding, I may add.

Certainly, so many games have achieved more than Starcraft gameplay-wise. It's too bad NONE of them is still played nearly as much more than a decade later.

The "40 reasons why TA>SC" are ridiculous. I read that list, entirely. It has something like 3 or 4 valid points, the rest are either false, half-truths or repeated things. If the guy with that list in the sig minds posting here, I'll gladly show you.

I did not mean to "attack" Braid of World of Goo. But to put them above SC, well that is something that stinks.

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#47 Yanduan
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Dragon Age: Origins only get 50??

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#48 Ondoval
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Not a very good list. I think than is most of aspects HL 1 > HL-2, and Portal can't be so high since is a game that at most will be provide you 5-10 hours of gameplay.

I think than all here can agree about that gameplay and fun are the main valuable features in a game, so the top 30 must have titles as Baldur's Gate 1 & 2, Planescape, Icewind Dale, NWN 1 & 2, Fallout 1 & 2, Morrowind & Oblivion, Deus Ex, System Shock, Q3A & UT, HL-1, BF 1942 & BF 2, Starcraft, Warcraft II, Diablo II LOD, WoW, EVE, Riddick, Undying, COD 4...

Since most of those games are instant classic the distance from #1 to #30 is not that high as the number means -maybe from a 9,95 score to a 9,70-.

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Surprised that Fallout 3 made to the top 10.
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#50 thusaha
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DoW II shouldn't be in the list.