PC Gaming Dying? How to HELP PC GAMING !!!

Ok, so I am over all this threads about "PC Gaming is dying" etc etc..

I want to know how to help PC gaming.

I always buy my games, but I really want to know if I am DIRECTLY helping the creators/publishers or just the place where I buy them.

- I buy it at EB Games.... am I helping anyone directly? or does all the money go to EB Games?

- I buy it at JBHiFi... they aren't even a dedicated games shop. Where does my money go?

- I buy it second hand on ebay? am I just helping the ebay seller?

- I buy it new from ebay? where did it comes from?

It really worries me when I put down $80-$100 on a game not knowing if I'm doing anything for PC gaming...

Pls discuss...

- Don't give into stupid DRM (install limits)

PC Gaming is fine.MadCat46

- Don't give into stupid DRM (install limits)

JangoWuzHere

Everyone just needs to STOP PIRATING. Unless it's made by EA, of course, but that's just a personal grudge of mine.kdawg88

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

- Don't give into stupid DRM (install limits)

FelipeInside

Everyone just needs to STOP PIRATING. Unless it's made by EA, of course, but that's just a personal grudge of mine.kdawg88

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

- Don't give into stupid DRM (install limits)

JangoWuzHere

well actually unless they have the right concept idea of a cool game, hard time invest in the game, good creative developers, the right budget it won't work :)

the max you can do is buy games, stay away from piracy and sending letters to developers on ideas of cool new games and feedbacks on how to improve games you can't really do anything, unless you're some kind of tycoon who's willing to invest in a company or you'll someday will end as head manager of developer team ;)

The only way to give ALL the money to the devs would be if you walked over to their office and gave them the money and they give you a game...

Another way is to buy it from the dev website (they will get a huge part of the money in that case)

Everyone just needs to STOP PIRATING. Unless it's made by EA, of course, but that's just a personal grudge of mine.kdawg88

They get at least as much money as they would retail...actually they get A LOT more in Europe, where games on Steam have outrageous prices compared to retail and PC games also sell a lot more than in NA.

And Steam deals are made by the devs/publishers, Valve has nothing to do with it, FYI a game that doesn't sell anymore or doesn't sell pretty good is not as profitable as selling it at a lower price while getting a substantial increase in sales even if it's just for a few days.

Everyone just needs to STOP PIRATING. Unless it's made by EA, of course, but that's just a personal grudge of mine.kdawg88

As long as there's a company like BioWare, PC gaming will keep living.As for EA,I don't see what's wrong with them.Half of the games on the market are published by EA and they fund a lot of companies which makes a good game possible.The only game the ruined was C&C 4, but it was the last of the series anyway.Just buy your games instead of pirating.And if someone releases a good game,it's bound to make a profit even if it gets pirated.

As long as there's a company like BioWare, PC gaming will keep living.As for EA,I don't see what's wrong with them.Half of the games on the market are published by EA and they fund a lot of companies which makes a good game possible.The only game the ruined was C&C 4, but it was the last of the series anyway.Just buy your games instead of pirating.And if someone releases a good game,it's bound to make a profit even if it gets pirated.

coreybg

Everyone just needs to STOP PIRATING. Unless it's made by EA, of course, but that's just a personal grudge of mine.kdawg88

Personally i think ea is better .

i think the best we can do is buy retail and not from steam. I dont think by steam deals the devs get that much of money.dakan45

1. No Ea Sucks (they buy IP then don't allow others to develop for Different Platform)

2. Steam Deals are decided by developer/publisher of that game

EA is pretty much the best in the business at what they do, EA, Valve and Blizzard are the big 3 that support gaming as a whole.EA with ther money, publishing and funding studios or buying studios that have financial problems, studios that would be able to make great games, Valve with their very good games (not the case recently but still) especially Steam and Blizzard that makes things interesting for the PC. Other companies worth mentioning, THQ and Sony.

They don't allow developers to make games for certain platforms?....what makes you think that such a game would have been on "that" platform?

EA was bad in the past, now they're doing a lot better, so people need to stop making up facts, this is the real world not some magical world imagined by an individual where all games are made for absolutely any platform.

If you buy PC Games from mainstream developers, you're supporting install limits and horrible DRM.

If you don't buy PC Games to make a stand against DRM and install limits developers will go "Too much piracy. Not enough sales. PC's a dead platform." Not that they don't do that already.

It's lose lose. PC Gaming is on a downward spiral and the fault lies with selfish developers/publishers and paying customers have done nothing wrong. But we're being treated like losers anyway.

For me, it's simple. When a developer gets their crap together and makes a decent game, I buy it. I've bought about two games in the past two years.

If you buy PC Games from mainstream developers, you're supporting install limits and horrible DRM.

If you don't buy PC Games to make a stand against DRM and install limits developers will go "Too much piracy. Not enough sales. PC's a dead platform." Not that they don't do that already.

It's lose lose. PC Gaming is on a downward spiral and the fault lies with selfish developers/publishers and paying customers have done nothing wrong. But we're being treated like losers anyway.

For me, it's simple. When a developer gets their crap together and makes a decent game, I buy it. I've bought about two games in the past two years.

1carus

So you have only played 2 games in the past 2 years ?

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If you buy PC Games from mainstream developers, you're supporting install limits and horrible DRM.

If you don't buy PC Games to make a stand against DRM and install limits developers will go "Too much piracy. Not enough sales. PC's a dead platform." Not that they don't do that already.

It's lose lose. PC Gaming is on a downward spiral and the fault lies with selfish developers/publishers and paying customers have done nothing wrong. But we're being treated like losers anyway.

For me, it's simple. When a developer gets their crap together and makes a decent game, I buy it. I've bought about two games in the past two years.

ic4ruz

So you have only played 2 games in the past 2 years ?

Ok, so I am over all this threads about "PC Gaming is dying" etc etc..

I want to know how to help PC gaming.

I always buy my games, but I really want to know if I am DIRECTLY helping the creators/publishers or just the place where I buy them.

- I buy it at EB Games.... am I helping anyone directly? or does all the money go to EB Games?

- I buy it at JBHiFi... they aren't even a dedicated games shop. Where does my money go?

- I buy it second hand on ebay? am I just helping the ebay seller?

- I buy it new from ebay? where did it comes from?

It really worries me when I put down $80-$100 on a game not knowing if I'm doing anything for PC gaming...

Pls discuss...

FelipeInside

You can't really directly help the publisher or devs (not that publishers really need help mind you) outside donations or buying games.

If you buy it at any retailer whatsoever, you support the industry but also the retailer.

If you buy it second hand, you don't support the industry, only the guy that sold it.

If you buy it ''new'' on Ebay and it's not a hoax, like second hand copies wrapped and advertised as new ones, you support the devs. If you are worried about where your money goes, don't use this option.

PC Gaming is dying! Let's all switch to the nobrainer solution, also known as consoles! Oh wait.. I forgot to mention that PC gaming isn't dying, at all. Buy your games at steam, if they start supporting linux aswell microsoft willl start loosing their irongrip and more dev's would use OpenGL instead of directX.

[QUOTE="kdawg88"]Everyone just needs to STOP PIRATING. Unless it's made by EA, of course, but that's just a personal grudge of mine.JangoWuzHere

liquidation of Westwood.

and Pandemic.

As long as there's a company like BioWare, PC gaming will keep living.As for EA,I don't see what's wrong with them.Half of the games on the market are published by EA and they fund a lot of companies which makes a good game possible.The only game the ruined was C&C 4, but it was the last of the series anyway.Just buy your games instead of pirating.And if someone releases a good game,it's bound to make a profit even if it gets pirated.

coreybg

Red Alert 3 compared to Red Alert 2:?

I think the real issue is, console games are much more financially viable for media websites. Console fans seem to be pretty hardcore into reviews, previews and such. Thay also seem to care plenty about who is winning between sony and microsoft, also have you noticed the top console gets barely any coverage on gaming websites? Nintendos console is a great example of perception, if the numbers didnt prove otherwise people would swear that the console didnt sell nearly as much as it did, they would also swear nobody bought any games for it. Heck, iphone and ipad gaming is pretty big but most websites dont have any coverage for it at all.

1. No Ea Sucks (they buy IP then don't allow others to develop for Different Platform)

2. Steam Deals are decided by developer/publisher of that game

badtaker

liquidation of Westwood.

and Pandemic.

HavocV3

PC gaming isn't dying what you are seeing happening is an "atmosphere" of fear being created by the media. Let's not forget the same sources that are currently proclaiming that "PC is dying" are the same sources that once proclaimed the PS3 would fail :roll: .

As for what you can do to help PC gaming well it is pretty simple. Just buy games as long as you buy games new it is pretty irrelevant where you get them from. If you really want to help then avoid the big game stores they are part of the reason for the PC's decline. If you have a local independant games shop near you then support them and show them that PC gaming is worth supporting. If you see a game released on the console first and you really want it then DON'T buy it on the console wait for the inevitable PC version.

You have to understand the PC gaming market is a very complexed beast and it is under attack in many ways. At the moment it seems "piracy" is the big main focus of people's attention and whilst it is a problem there are other factors which we can't do much about. People don't understand just how massive the PC market is Microsoft and Sony DO and they try everything to get people off their PC's and onto consoles where they can make even more money out of you. So don't support that behaviour especially from third party developers like Rockstar.

At the end of the day all we can do is buy and play games on the PC format if enough people do that then publishers will start to treat the PC with the respect it deserves again. However PC gaming will never die it is a hell of a lot more stable and profitable than the consoles (just google how much Sony and MS have lost on their "next gen machines").

[QUOTE="kdawg88"]Everyone just needs to STOP PIRATING. Unless it's made by EA, of course, but that's just a personal grudge of mine.dakan45

So you have only played 2 games in the past 2 years ?ic4ruz

I've only played about two new games in the past two years, yes. I might be exaggerating there a bit. I've bought a few games on Steam and stuff from weekend deals but I haven't played them a whole lot.

which is fine, but makes you wonder what brings him here?TerrorRizzing

This is a forum for all PC Games, right? Not just games made in the past two years?

Ok, so I am over all this threads about "PC Gaming is dying" etc etc..

I want to know how to help PC gaming.

I always buy my games, but I really want to know if I am DIRECTLY helping the creators/publishers or just the place where I buy them.

- I buy it at EB Games.... am I helping anyone directly? or does all the money go to EB Games?

- I buy it at JBHiFi... they aren't even a dedicated games shop. Where does my money go?

- I buy it second hand on ebay? am I just helping the ebay seller?

- I buy it new from ebay? where did it comes from?

It really worries me when I put down $80-$100 on a game not knowing if I'm doing anything for PC gaming...

Pls discuss...

FelipeInside

Your doing it wrong

If you want to help the gaming industry you have to stop buying **** games because guess what, they will just throw out an exact copy of the same old garbage

Mainly it's the console kiddies fault for supporting a failed industry because they have no point of reference

The console kiddies made it a billion dollar industry. Gaming used to be about pioneering creativity and pushing reality

Look at Hitman 1, a true pioneering classic. Well, 3 guy in a basement worked their ass off with a dream.

Already in Hitman part 2 you could tell the mass-produced idiocracy of money greedy companies ruining the game - who the hell decided to REMOVE DUAL WEAPONS?

I mean come on and I see stupid decisions like that every day and I almost can't believe it. But that's the true trademark of capitalism, you want as much money for the weakest possible product.

Or in other words, if junk sells you sell junk

Now in the old days there were a higher purpose, a sense of dignity and artistic freedom, but man are those days long gone -- guess I have to settle for having been there and seen it

As far as i can remember the only hitman taht did not have handballers was the first one.

Heheh, wrong

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In part 1 there were no illogical HUD that suddenly makes you fail your mission, you had to read your opponent's body language

In part 1, you could yield sawed off + dessert eagle, dual dessert e, dual sawed off, dual hardballers, dual silencers, silencers + hardballer etc etc etc

you never played hitman

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that's not a question

you never played hitman

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that's not a question

Kaelken

As far as i can remember the only hitman taht did not have handballers was the first one.

dakan45

Yeah, in the first game you dont have those silver colt 45s with the longslides, you have some other 45s pistols. My point was that in the first game you dont pick it up as one weapon (dual weilded only). You need to have 2 pistols and combine them like you said. But they are not the hitman trademarked guns with the insignia on them, that existed in all games apart from the first one in which they were normal 45 pistols collected by enemies when in the last 3 games, they were available only as an akimbo weapon exclusively for hitman and only him.