Phenom vs Bulldozer

At work on break today I was looking at ncix on my phone. I was just browsing cpus and I didn't realize how much cheaper AMD is compared to Intel. I knew they were cheaper, but $100 is pretty shocking.

To my knowledge AM3+ processors are compatible with AM2 boards.

I was going to do a full upgrade, but I don't mind waiting a bit longer and watching the new tech.

However I could put out $120 for a new cpu if it's a good upgrade.

What kind of boost would I see only changing the cpu...

AMD X2 6000+ 3.0ghz to a...

AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Quad Core Processor AM3 3.4GHZ

or

AMD Bulldozer FX-4100 Quad Core Processor 3.6GHZ Socket AM3+

CHEERS

amd quad cores may be cheaper but intels cheapest dual cores (the $40 g530) usually perform better in gaming than even the best AMD cpu's out there. I have one in my back up computer and let me tell you that as far as gaming is concerned it does pretty well even compared to my core i7 2700k (a $400 cpu)

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/406?vs=146

Productivity wise the amd quad cores/hex cores always win out but gaming wise the cheap intel dual cores do better in alot of cases. Pretty good deal for $40 celeron g530.

I was looking at that. But thing is I am pretty sure I can just drop the new AM3 cpu into this AM2 board.

If I have to get a new motherboard, ram, etc - then I will just do the full i5 3750k upgrade.

amd quad cores may be cheaper but intels cheapest dual cores (the $40 g530) usually perform better in gaming than even the best AMD cpu's out there. I have one in my back up computer and let me tell you that as far as gaming is concerned it does pretty well even compared to my core i7 2700k (a $400 cpu)

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/406?vs=146

Productivity wise the amd quad cores/hex cores always win out but gaming wise the cheap intel dual cores do better in alot of cases. Pretty good deal for $40 celeron g530.

blaznwiipspman1

I was looking at that. But thing is I am pretty sure I can just drop the new AM3 cpu into this AM2 board.

If I have to get a new motherboard, ram, etc - then I will just do the full i5 3750k upgrade.

jakes456

[QUOTE="jakes456"]

I was looking at that. But thing is I am pretty sure I can just drop the new AM3 cpu into this AM2 board.

If I have to get a new motherboard, ram, etc - then I will just do the full i5 3750k upgrade.

04dcarraher

So is it worth about $120? I am going to notice a difference? Obviously GPU will play a big part, but this CPU is old so this is why I propose my question!

Why is Phenom better than bulldozer?

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="jakes456"]

I was looking at that. But thing is I am pretty sure I can just drop the new AM3 cpu into this AM2 board.

If I have to get a new motherboard, ram, etc - then I will just do the full i5 3750k upgrade.

jakes456

So is it worth about $120? I am going to notice a difference? Obviously GPU will play a big part, but this CPU is old so this is why I propose my question!

Why is Phenom better than bulldozer?

[QUOTE="jakes456"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] Just pick up Phenom 2 you will have better chance your AM2+ motherboard will support, you really cant go wrong, I upgraded from a Athlon X2 6000 to a Phenom 2 X4 955 a couple of years ago and there's no game I cant run good.04dcarraher

So is it worth about $120? I am going to notice a difference? Obviously GPU will play a big part, but this CPU is old so this is why I propose my question!

Why is Phenom better than bulldozer?

interesting.

Why is the Bulldozer cheaper though? The ones I both linked are quad core. Bulldozer is also clocked higher.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="jakes456"]

So is it worth about $120? I am going to notice a difference? Obviously GPU will play a big part, but this CPU is old so this is why I propose my question!

Why is Phenom better than bulldozer?

jakes456

interesting.

Why is the Bulldozer cheaper though? The ones I both linked are quad core. Bulldozer is also clocked higher.

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[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] For example When I upgraded from my X2 6000 to the 955, Crysis which only support two cores, I seen my minimum and average fps jump with the same gpu setup(dual 8800GT's) . old min was like 13 fps, average was 35, then afterwards min was 33 fps and average was 50 fps. Now there's no big difference between Bulldozer and Phenom's 4-6 cores, after the new batches and updates they can trade blows.04dcarraher

interesting.

Why is the Bulldozer cheaper though? The ones I both linked are quad core. Bulldozer is also clocked higher.

they don't make them anymore but the Bulldozer is still cheaper and clocked higher... I don't get it.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="jakes456"]

interesting.

Why is the Bulldozer cheaper though? The ones I both linked are quad core. Bulldozer is also clocked higher.

jakes456

they don't make them anymore but the Bulldozer is still cheaper and clocked higher... I don't get it.

To my knowledge AM3+ processors are compatible with AM2 boards.

jakes456

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="jakes456"]

interesting.

Why is the Bulldozer cheaper though? The ones I both linked are quad core. Bulldozer is also clocked higher.

jakes456

they don't make them anymore but the Bulldozer is still cheaper and clocked higher... I don't get it.

[QUOTE="jakes456"]

To my knowledge AM3+ processors are compatible with AM2 boards.

C_Rule

link me?

[QUOTE="C_Rule"][QUOTE="jakes456"]

To my knowledge AM3+ processors are compatible with AM2 boards.

jakes456

link me?

[QUOTE="jakes456"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] They dont make Phenom 2's any more, just like how GTX 570 are still nearly a $300 card when you can buy a GTX 670 for $100 more and be nearly 2x fasterToxic-Seahorse

they don't make them anymore but the Bulldozer is still cheaper and clocked higher... I don't get it.

Not true mate. Albeit a "bit" higher. Phenom II x4 965 BE. Seriously, forget the FX-4100, unless you want to set yourself up for disappointment.

$10 difference for a much, MUCH better CPU.

Edit: Hah, it even has a $15 off promo code right now. Your lucky day TC, that's if you want it to be..

Last I checked the socket needed to be black to support AM3+ CPUs.

I really really doubt your motherboard will support a bulldozer if you have an AM2 motherboard.

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[QUOTE="C_Rule"] No.04dcarraher

link me?

pretty sure it's just AM2, but I thought AM2 and AM2+ weren't that different.

model is m2npv-vm

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="jakes456"]

link me?

jakes456

pretty sure it's just AM2, but I thought AM2 and AM2+ weren't that different.

model is m2npv-vm

well, if you don't want to get the pentium dual core i suggested earlier then go for the bulldozer fx 8120, its selling for $150 right now plus its an octo core. At 4.5 ghz or so overclock it will be as fast as a sandy bridge/ivy bridge at 3.2ghz but will have 8 cores instead of the 4 cores intel cpu's have.

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[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] Do have a AM2+ board? and if their is a bios update for AM3 cpu's then you can use AM3 not AM3+, Elann2008

pretty sure it's just AM2, but I thought AM2 and AM2+ weren't that different.

model is m2npv-vm

good link. Unfortunately it doesn't support the Phenom 965 or the Bulldozer. Oh well I thought I was gonna get lucky.

Looks like it supports 95W only. So the best you could get is a phenom II 945 or an athlon II 640

Looks like it supports 95W only. So the best you could get is a phenom II 945 or an athlon II 640

GummiRaccoon

the phenom II x4 you linked is slightly better than the fx-4100 this being said if you were going to upgrade another "just as good" option vs the 965 is the phenom II x6 1045t its 10 bucks more than the 4100 and preforms basically the same as the 965 but consumes a little less power

well, if you don't want to get the pentium dual core i suggested earlier then go for the bulldozer fx 8120, its selling for $150 right now plus its an octo core. At 4.5 ghz or so overclock it will be as fast as a sandy bridge/ivy bridge at 3.2ghz but will have 8 cores instead of the 4 cores intel cpu's have.

blaznwiipspman1

A Phenom II 955 or 965 is way better than a 6000+

• Phenom architecture is much faster
• These are quads, so you have twice as many cores
• They are also clocked higher

Basically they are 2-3 times as fast as the 6000+

So the only thing that will work is http://ncix.ca/products/?sku=70935&vpn=HDX945WFGMBOX&manufacture=AMD

Still worth it or no? $114

unless you want to spend twice the money that is a good thing you will get already a much better cpu which would hold you out until you want very intensive cpu gaming in 2014 by then you will have either newest amd or newest intel :P

because going intel will cost you at least 250$ if you pick i5 + mobo while right now for 114$ + tax +30-40$ if you can get a cpu cooler and get that thing at 3.6ghz stable 24/24 and get still Decent FPS in most of game

I was going to do a full upgrade a few months ago but I have held off. I don't mind waiting to see if Haswell is a big jump forward. I don't mind spending $120 on a CPU if it's going to be a significnat boost for gaming from my 6000+.

I was going to do a full upgrade a few months ago but I have held off. I don't mind waiting to see if Haswell is a big jump forward. I don't mind spending $120 on a CPU if it's going to be a significnat boost for gaming from my 6000+.

jakes456

It will be a huge boost. I went from a 6000+ to a 955.

[QUOTE="jakes456"]

I was going to do a full upgrade a few months ago but I have held off. I don't mind waiting to see if Haswell is a big jump forward. I don't mind spending $120 on a CPU if it's going to be a significnat boost for gaming from my 6000+.

NailedGR

It will be a huge boost. I went from a 6000+ to a 955.

This is a 945. Only one that works.

This is a 945. Only one that works.

jakes456

They are basically identical.

At work on break today I was looking at ncix on my phone. I was just browsing cpus and I didn't realize how much cheaper AMD is compared to Intel. I knew they were cheaper, but $100 is pretty shocking.

To my knowledge AM3+ processors are compatible with AM2 boards.

I was going to do a full upgrade, but I don't mind waiting a bit longer and watching the new tech.

However I could put out $120 for a new cpu if it's a good upgrade.

What kind of boost would I see only changing the cpu...

AMD X2 6000+ 3.0ghz to a...

AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Quad Core Processor AM3 3.4GHZ

or

AMD Bulldozer FX-4100 Quad Core Processor 3.6GHZ Socket AM3+

CHEERS

jakes456

[QUOTE="jakes456"]

This is a 945. Only one that works.

GummiRaccoon

They are basically identical.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="jakes456"]

This is a 945. Only one that works.

kraken2109

They are basically identical.

http://ncix.ca/products/?sku=70935&vpn=HDX945WFGMBOX&manufacture=AMD

[QUOTE="kraken2109"][QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

They are basically identical.

jakes456

http://ncix.ca/products/?sku=70935&vpn=HDX945WFGMBOX&manufacture=AMD

[QUOTE="jakes456"]

[QUOTE="kraken2109"] Is 945 Black Edition? I have a feeling it isn't which means harder overclocking.kraken2109

http://ncix.ca/products/?sku=70935&vpn=HDX945WFGMBOX&manufacture=AMD

maybe it's not worth $100 then.

[QUOTE="kraken2109"][QUOTE="jakes456"]

http://ncix.ca/products/?sku=70935&vpn=HDX945WFGMBOX&manufacture=AMD

jakes456

maybe it's not worth $100 then.

yes it is. Because that is the top upgrade path to you I have a buddy with a athlon II x4 640 and it cost him 100 bucks and that will be slightly faster

You don't need to overclock to get decent performance. I used to OC my 955 to 3.7GHz but I put it back to 3.2 because it didn't make that big of a difference.

[QUOTE="jakes456"]

[QUOTE="kraken2109"] As i thought. That's a shame if you were planning on overclocking.GummiRaccoon

maybe it's not worth $100 then.

yes it is. Because that is the top upgrade path to you I have a buddy with a athlon II x4 640 and it cost him 100 bucks and that will be slightly faster

You don't need to overclock to get decent performance. I used to OC my 955 to 3.7GHz but I put it back to 3.2 because it didn't make that big of a difference.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="jakes456"]

maybe it's not worth $100 then.

marcthpro

yes it is. Because that is the top upgrade path to you I have a buddy with a athlon II x4 640 and it cost him 100 bucks and that will be slightly faster

You don't need to overclock to get decent performance. I used to OC my 955 to 3.7GHz but I put it back to 3.2 because it didn't make that big of a difference.

[QUOTE="marcthpro"]

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

yes it is. Because that is the top upgrade path to you I have a buddy with a athlon II x4 640 and it cost him 100 bucks and that will be slightly faster

You don't need to overclock to get decent performance. I used to OC my 955 to 3.7GHz but I put it back to 3.2 because it didn't make that big of a difference.

Elann2008

^ that. I don't read those benches anymore, they are useless to me. I want some normal guy's/girl's PC with the game and hardware and just fps numbers from their experience. I have an AMD X6 1100, it's pretty nice, but I still feel like kicking myself for not getting a 2500k

Phenom II x4 are really good cpu's but from personal experience... even 965 BE reporting 60fps in BF3.. the game isn't truly smooth.. When I played BF3 with my current build, the difference is night and day... so smooth... no longer am I dying because of stuttering or the game chugging. You do really get what you pay for, and especially with the right brand. I think we look too much into benchmark numbers.. and not real world performance concerning games.Elann2008

why would Phenom II X4 cause stuttering in BF3 and a i5 2500k not ? unless ur referring to minimum fps and that i5 2500k give much a higher score when overclock obviously i don't get it usually benchmark are very accurate as long you get rig 95% similar of what inside (ram / video card clock & cpu clock & same Video driver & no other program then window default + fraps + the game then the fps should be same

even thought i belief some game might have issue with AMD CPU i don't think it should be responsible for Stuttering for Battefield 3 : I know lot of people with a 6870 or GTX 560 TI with Phenom II X4 955 BE at 3.6Ghz not complaining of ur issue and pretty much claim there maxing Battlefield 3 at near ultra with steady 50-60fps with no stuttering what so ever

while it sure benchmark sholw i5 2500k overclock win anytime even on Battelfield 3 / Skyrim / Diablo 3 / Starcraft 2 / dawn of War II Retribution / Company of heroes & Shogun II total WAr & ARMA II it sure intel is much better

but does he really have the fund to spend right now i5 2500K or 3570K and if he pick a P67 / Z67 With 2X GPU (SLI/Crossfire) enable that make the cost up to from 200-229 $ + 130-150$ + 30$ + tax + shipping total 400$ over 115-120$ Total for already a huge upgrade over The First Generation of Dual core

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="jakes456"]

maybe it's not worth $100 then.

marcthpro

yes it is. Because that is the top upgrade path to you I have a buddy with a athlon II x4 640 and it cost him 100 bucks and that will be slightly faster

You don't need to overclock to get decent performance. I used to OC my 955 to 3.7GHz but I put it back to 3.2 because it didn't make that big of a difference.

How is my GPU weak if I don't consider going from 3.2 GHz to 3.7GHz that big of a difference? On average I got <5% increase in games. However when I flashed my 6950 to a 6970 I saw a bigger difference, but I ended up flashing it back for the summer due to the extra heat.

[QUOTE="jakes456"]

At work on break today I was looking at ncix on my phone. I was just browsing cpus and I didn't realize how much cheaper AMD is compared to Intel. I knew they were cheaper, but $100 is pretty shocking.

To my knowledge AM3+ processors are compatible with AM2 boards.

I was going to do a full upgrade, but I don't mind waiting a bit longer and watching the new tech.

However I could put out $120 for a new cpu if it's a good upgrade.

What kind of boost would I see only changing the cpu...

AMD X2 6000+ 3.0ghz to a...

AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Quad Core Processor AM3 3.4GHZ

or

AMD Bulldozer FX-4100 Quad Core Processor 3.6GHZ Socket AM3+

CHEERS

Diwashb

yup. i wish amd just kept making phenoms. instead they brought out a new line of cpus that are the same performance as the phenoms, they just use less power, and nobody needs an 8 core cpu especially for games. i hope games will never need an 8 core to run, just make them more gpu depenant. i just wish amd would make something that can compete with intel. i got an i5 after hearing the fx series are the same as the phenom just a new name. i have a bad feeling amd will not be making desktop cpus anymore soon.

I will watch to see if the 945 goes on sale. If it does I will snag it.

will not drop below 95$ in sales and going intel will cost you at least 280$ and that without a SLI / Crossfire Compatible motherboard :P just the cheapest and intel next generation or amd next generation next year won't bring price down by more then 10% then current price