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#1 drummer131
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I'd posted this in "General Games" but was informed it was the wrong place. So here I am.

Just yesterday, I bought my first HDTV. It's an Insignia 32" 1080p/120hz and so far every game I try looks blurry in motion and has poor controller response (as in, laggy output to my controller inputs). The Wiimote is laggy and the PS2 controller was laggy as well. FFXII just looked really grainy.

I'm sure there's a way to fix this, but after fiddling with all the options, I have no idea what would fix it. Please help!

I understand about the "native resolution" stuff; I never planned on buying this TV so my older games would look better. I'm just wondering if there's a way to remove the lag and blur so that such games are playable. Also, I wonder if the same would occur if I plugged in my SNES or N64 or PS1...

Thanks again.

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#2 monson21502
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does it have a gaming mode? also ps2 and wii aint gonna look very good on a hdtv anyways.

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#3 kooch664
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Unfortunately, I'm going to say that what you're seeing might already be the best it's going to get...but here's a few things you could try:

  • Try turning OFF 120hz. Since Wii/PS2 is sending a relatively poor, non HD signal 120hz processing can actually make things worse.
  • Like someone already mentioned, see if your TV has a "game mode." If you give me your model number I can find out.
  • If you're using composite cables (red, white, yellow) for your Wii/PS2, upgrade to component cables (red, blue, green - red, white). This can make a world of difference.
  • Get a PS3/360! :o Sorry had to do it.

Hope this helps!

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Unfortunately, I'm going to say that what you're seeing might already be the best it's going to get...but here's a few things you could try:

  • Try turning OFF 120hz. Since Wii/PS2 is sending a relatively poor, non HD signal 120hz processing can actually make things worse.
  • Like someone already mentioned, see if your TV has a "game mode." If you give me your model number I can find out.
  • If you're using composite cables (red, white, yellow) for your Wii/PS2, upgrade to component cables (red, blue, green - red, white). This can make a world of difference.
  • Get a PS3/360! :o Sorry had to do it.

Hope this helps!

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Model Number: NS-L32X-10A I believe it does have a "game mode", since there's a "Game" button on the remote. When I pushed it while trying to fix FFXII, it just made everything darker. As for the component cables, what's the difference? Would I just be buying a generic pack of cables, or would I be looking for such made specifically by Sony or Nintendo (I am looking into Nintendo's HD component cables, since maybe they'll make the Wii show at 480p and eliminate the Wii's present lag.)?
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Your TV does have game mode, like you said there's a button on the remote as well as a game mode button on the TV itself. According to the instructions you press it once to see the game mode status, as in to see if it's on or off, then press it again to toggle on/off. Making the picture "darker" is probably normal because generally game mode locks the picture setting to "normal" as opposed to vivid or whatever else. When you put it on did it help with lag?

The 120hz engine is in Picture settings, then advanced video, then DCM (digital clear motion). Again, try going there and turning this off.

Component cables simply send a mich higher quality signal to the TV. What you're using now is composite, red/white/yellow. The red and white are both carrying audio and that one yellow cable is carrying all the video. Component cables still have the red/white for audio but then break the video into three signals, red/green/blue and the result is a much better image. You have to buy specific cables for the Wii or PS2 (PS3 component cables work with PS2 as well) but you do not need to buy the Nintendo or Sony branded ones if you don't want. Lots of companies make them some cost more than the first party ones, most cost less. A quick search on Amazon for "Wii component cable" or "PS2 component cable" will show you a good selection. If you don't feel like waiting for an online purchase Best Buy carries Rocketfish Wii cables for 25 bucks, 10 bucks cheaper than the Nintendo branded ones and they are better cables too. Best Buy also carries the Sony Playstation 3 component cables, which will work, for 25.

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#6 drummer131
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Wow. Thank you so much for taking the time to really look into this for me. I'll definitely try some of this out, if at least for the Wii. FYI, Game mode did seem to help a little with the lag, but the graphics were still crap. I suppose the RBG cables would help there, hehe.
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#7 rastan
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Your playing a 480p game on a 1080p TV. A lot of what you are seeing are upconversion issues and the inherent lag of LCD TV's.
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#8 JNKtastic
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I'm going to butt in here and say that I have a Vizio HDTV and my Wii and PS2 and my Wii, GameCube, PS2, and PSOne games all look sincerely FINE on my HDTV. DVDs played on the PS2 ALSO look just fine. No strange blurriness (though grainiess/pixelation that I already noticed before is more noticeable now), no weird lagging, no gross distortions. What gives? I don't recall my bro and I ever changing anything in the setup; we just hooked up everthing and there we went.
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I'm still somewhat under the impression that there's a setting I need to find and adjust that might help a lot, but for now, I'll stick with getting the RBG component cables and see what effect those have.
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#10 drummer131
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Or, the RBG-RW component cables. Whatever they're called. You all know what I mean. At any rate, I ordered them not too long ago. I'll keep you posted. *crosses fingers that lag goes away*

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#11 clay1311
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Do a little research and spend money on good cables, component for the Wii and HDMI for anything else you have connected that will allow it. The issue sounds as though it's with the signal travelling through the cable and not with the TV itself, I could be wrong though. Or, you might have a bad TV. The "game mode" on most HDTV's isn't going to do anything to greatly impact the picture, in higher-end TVs it might change up the refresh rate a bit, but on yours I think it'll hinder more than help you. If there's a reset option in the menu anywhere you might try that.

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Do a little research and spend money on good cables, component for the Wii and HDMI for anything else you have connected that will allow it. The issue sounds as though it's with the signal travelling through the cable and not with the TV itself, I could be wrong though. Or, you might have a bad TV. The "game mode" on most HDTV's isn't going to do anything to greatly impact the picture, in higher-end TVs it might change up the refresh rate a bit, but on yours I think it'll hinder more than help you. If there's a reset option in the menu anywhere you might try that.

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That's exactly what I'm going on, that the signal will be improved by the new cables that not just the graphics will become improved, but the lag will be REMOVED as well due to the better signal. I would hate to see that it's the TV's fault because it's beautiful. P.S. I don't own a PS3, so I went with component for my PS2 as well. Heard nothing but great things about Sony's cables so I went with them.
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#13 rastan
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The cables should have NO effect on lag.
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And there are many people I've spoken to that can't understand why I have lag in the first place. So, if it has to do with the TV's native resolution going at war with the more primitive resolutions being put out by my Wii and PS2, then the cables SHOULD help. Far be it from me to sound like I know exactly what I'm talking about here, but that's my theory and I just hope I'm right.
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#15 rastan
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Cables do not cause lag. HDMI in itself may cause lag in that the TV has to decode the signal, but it will either work or not and the lag inherent to this processing is not usually the culprit. Being that you are talking PS3/Wii, neither uses HDMI so you are purely talking about analog signals where the cables alone can not introduce any lag. The lag you are experiencing has to do with your LCD panel and/or the upscaling that is occuring. Neither of these two things will be improved by a cable swap. Try turning off the 120Hz processing and putting it in game mode (not all TV's have this, but in addition to "color preference game mode" some TV's will also have a game mode where all extra video processing is turned off to minimize the input lag. Simply put, stepping up to component cables will make the picture look better than simply using a single A/V out cable, but that shouldn't make any difference in the lag you are experiencing.
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#16 drummer131
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The 120hz engine is in Picture settings, then advanced video, then DCM (digital clear motion). Again, try going there and turning this off.kooch664
Problem: I found this and it was shaded dark, already off, and I had no way of switching it back on again. I think I've always been running at what, 60hz, rather than 120hz? I suppose that doesn't bode well. But why would that option be darkened? My PS2 is plugged in using composite cables, my Wii is plugged in using composite cables, and my Blu-ray player is hooked up with the HDMI cable that came with it. What's the deal?
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#17 drummer131
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Rastan, it seems you were right, at least in the case of the PS2 - the Wii cables haven't come in yet. The lag is still there. ARG!