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#1 HeyDoYaThang
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We just bought a new Samsung PX2370 and from what we have been reading it has backlight bleeding which many others have reported having problems with. We have tried every setting and no matter what the bottom of the screen is a lot brighter then the top. Games look great and colors are incredible as long as you do not have very dark images then you can really notice the bleeding. Viewing images or using Windows itself is absolutely horrible. If you move an images what appears to be almost black in an image turns to a green color when near the bottom of the screen. From what we have been reading it seems lots are experiencing these problems with many LED monitors. This monitor was in the top 5 on cnet so out of all the monitors available in store it seemed like the one to buy. Is there a decent LED monitor you can buy that doesn't cost thousands of dollars? This monitor is 329.99 but got it in sale for 274.99 which isn't exactly cheap and I don't think you can even find CRT monitors for sale anymore? Sure we will pay 300.00 or whatever for new hardware if we have to but it has to at least look as good as the old outdated hardware we are replacing or what is the point?
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#2 bostonfan05
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You could get an LCD display... I got my samsung 20" monitor for $140 and itlooks good.

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I am not even sure I can find an LCD available in store. Have to try and pick the best from what is available. The best these days seems to mean worse then older technology in many ways. Sure it might weigh less and is easy to carry around but I don't care how much a thing weighs if it can't do what it is suppose to do. :) I have a 32" LG LCD 1920x1080 Full HD which looks great especially compared to this monitor. No backlight bleeding on it. The colors and black might not be quite as good as this monitor but at least it is a nice uniform color across the screen. Viewing angle on it is much better also. Hope to be able to pick up something better from Future Shop or Best Buy for around the same price of $300.00 or less. Something that works. :)
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Don't get an LED monitor. They aren't actually LED backlit-they are side lit, resulting in backlight problems like you described. Go get an LCD monitor from a good brand like LG or Samsung. I guarantee it will look better and not have backlight issues.

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Thanks for the info and I will see if I can find a good LCD monitor. It doesn't have to be perfect but you should be able to at least look at it and say hey that looks normal or maybe even good. Also no lag is important for gaming.
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#6 simplyderp
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IMHO, get a cheap LCD monitor for $160, since they are all the same. Or get this:23" 1920x1080 e-IPS Dell U2311H. The price is $319 at the moment, but I picked mine up for $239 + free shipping + tax with a Dell coupon. I think they give this promotion every couple months, so if you're patient, you can get one cheap or just try and bargain with them. When looking for monitors, you should not care whether it is LED or not - that has nothing to do with the image quality if it is WLED and sometimes it can actually be worse if they use cheap LED lighting. Instead, find out what panel it uses, because that's the most important component of the monitor. If it is a 24" TN panel for example, then you shouldn't be paying more than $180-200 for it. S-IPS panels are very nice, but also very expensive, so e-IPS provides the bang-for-buck middle ground.

Reviews:

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1275291737

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2311h.htm

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We got the monitor from Future Shop and have to return it. So we have been looking at what they have available. Been trying to find reviews on the monitors they have listed but tftcentral and x-bit labs don't seem to have reviews on most of them. Most searches turn up nothing. Even tried google and youtube and have found very few reviews. So far all are amateur reviews. From what I have been reading it seems that LCD's have the same backlighting bleeding problem as LED's and it is quite common. Here is a list of monitors available to chose from: Acer 21.5" LCD Monitor With 5ms Response Time (P216HB) 1920 x 1080 WebID: 10145888 $159.99 Acer 23" LCD Monitor with 5ms Response Time (P236H BD) 1920 x 1080 WebID: 10155491 $229.99 Acer 23" LCD Monitor With 5ms Response Time (ET.VH3HP.001) 1920 x 1080 WebID: 10150894 $206.99 BenQ 21.5" LCD Monitor With 5ms Response Time (G2222HDH) 1920 x 1080 WebID: 10149812 $149.99 BenQ 24" LCD Monitor With 2ms Response Time (G2420HD) 1920 x 1080 WebID: 10149817 $189.99 *** Samsung Syncmaster 21.5" LCD Monitor With 5ms Response Time (P2250) 1920 x 1080 WebID: 10124186 $199.95 Samsung 23" LCD Monitor With 5ms Response Time (LS23EMNKUY/ZC) 1920 x 1080 WebID: 10150980 $377.99 LG 21.5" LCD Monitor With 2ms Response Time (W2253V) 1920 x 1080 WebID: 10119041 $199.99 LG 23" LCD Monitor With 2ms Response Time (W2353V) 1920 x 1080 WebID: 10119042 $229.99 Viewsonic 22" LCD Monitor With 5ms Response Time (VA2223WM) 1920 x 1080 WebID: 10150843 $179.99 Viewsonic 22" LCD Monitor With 5ms Response Time (VG2227WM) 1920 x 1080 WebID: 10150864 $204.99 Viewsonic 23" LCD Monitor With 5ms Response Time (VA2323WM) 1920 x 1080 WebID: 10150847 $215.99 We don't care about the price if it is no more then $350.00. As long as it works, doesn't suffer from backlight bleeding and doesn't ghost or have lag. Found one positive review on the BenQ 24 listed above that has *** beside it. Buying a video card, cpu or whatever is easy but trying to find a monitor that is decent is a nightmare. So if anyone knows their monitors and can offer some advice on any of these we would appreciate it.
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Thanks for the links. The dell sounds nice but also suffer from backlight bleeding and isn't a monitor available to us. Unless we return this monitor for a refund and order online. Would have no monitor at all for a while till the new monitor shipped since the old monitor is on its last legs. Seems this is too common a problem and you either get lucky or not.
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Is this another problem or is it a bad feature? There seems to be a problem with the Magic Bright Dynamic Contrast. If I view a pure black image and hit enter to view it full screen I can see the full image and the bleeding with standard, game, cinema and custom modes. When I use Dynamic Contrast as soon as I open the black image the entire screen dims. if i hit enter to view the image full screen the image vanishes and so does the mouse cursor. The monitor looks like it is turned off even though it isn't.
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#10 desertpython
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Change the mode to standard and disable any fancy features. Then calibrate it with Win 7's built in tool.

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I tried what you said and calibrated it with Win 7's built in tool but that doesn't help. There is no option for making the bottom half of the screen the same as the top of half of the screen. Posts on this forum are dark gray at the top but posts at the bottom are a light gray color. The further you get to the bottom of the screen the lighter gray it gets. The red x to close a window in Windows becomes a pink color when moved to the bottom of the screen. I don't think there is any calibration that could solve such a problem. The only way to not be able to see the bleeding at the bottom of the screen is to lay down on the floor and look up at the screen. But then the top half of the screen looks kinda gray and cloudy. Plus I wouldn't be to comfortable having to lay down on the floor to be able to use the computer and I could see that putting me at a real disadvantage in FPS games because I would find it very awkward trying to reach the mouse and keyboard from down there :)
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#12 desertpython
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Can you try plugging the monitor into the intergrated GPU, if you have a built in GPU? If not, update your drivers to the latest one and use the control panel of the drivers to try and adjust the image.

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The motherboard doesn't have a integrated GPU. I have a BFG GEFORCE GTX 260 OC MAXCORE 896MB (Core 216) and installed the latest drivers for it yesterday. Same problem with the old and new drivers.
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The motherboard doesn't have a integrated GPU. I have a BFG GEFORCE GTX 260 OC MAXCORE 896MB (Core 216) and installed the latest drivers for it yesterday. Same problem with the old and new drivers. HeyDoYaThang

Check Nvidia's control panel for any adjustments.

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I have but I don't think there are any options that will get rid of backlight bleeding. I just tried adjusting them again. I can get the red x to close a window to change from red to a deep dark red at the top of the screen but when the x for close window is at the bottom of the screen it is now a red instead of pink. Top half of the screen is always darker then the bottom of the screen. Unless there is a calibration tool that lets me adjust segments of the screen I can't see any calibration solving the problem. I will just keep returning monitors till I get one that doesn't bleed or try and find a place that still sells CRT's.
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#16 desertpython
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Buy a BenQ monitor. One you'd like would be a BenQ G2222HD. I haven't bought Samsung since one of their TV's broke in 30min after trying it out.

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#17 HeyDoYaThang
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Well one of the monitors I listed that had a very good review is the BenQ 24" LCD Monitor With 2ms Response Time (G2420HD) 1920 x 1080. I am trying to find more reviews on it and seeing how often I can find people complaining about it in forums because the review I read for the Samsung PX2370 listed it in the top 5 monitors but the one I have has some major problems. I hear IPS is suppose to be better but more expensive and probably suffers from the same problems as LCD and LED. Going to read up more on that soon.
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Well one of the monitors I listed that had a very good review is the BenQ 24" LCD Monitor With 2ms Response Time (G2420HD) 1920 x 1080. I am trying to find more reviews on it and seeing how often I can find people complaining about it in forums because the review I read for the Samsung PX2370 listed it in the top 5 monitors but the one I have has some major problems. I hear IPS is suppose to be better but more expensive and probably suffers from the same problems as LCD and LED. Going to read up more on that soon.HeyDoYaThang

Get BenQ. After my problems with Samsung I won't touch any of their products.

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From what I understald the BenQ 24" G2420HD is not backlit but the G2420HDBL is backlit? So if I buy the G2420HD then I don't have to worry about it bleeding because it is not backlit? I would still have to worry about dead pixels but at least I wouldn't have to worry about bleeding. I've read good things about it and it has a very high score on testfreaks.

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I have the same monitor and i'm experiencing some monitor flicker at times. Not always just sometimes. I do not think it's the monitor because it has worked fine with my other computer. I think it's the computer itself (ibuypower pc). The monitor seems fine i have not had problems with it. Maybe you got a bad monitor?

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What I don't understand is why my LG LCD 32LF11 Full 1080p HD would have a better viewing angle then my Samsung PX2370 Monitor? If I move my eyes down just one inch the colors in an image chance completely and get darker. I don't get the same effect when watching television. I can move around a lot before I get the same effect on the television. i have to move very far to one side to get a similar effect on the television.

The monitor is only 23" and the tv is 32" yet the monitor isn;t much cheaper then the tv and the tv has none of the problems that seem to plague the monitor. I figure if I television can be made without those problems a monitor could also. Doesn't make sense to me.

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What I don't understand is why my LG LCD 32LF11 Full 1080p HD would have a better viewing angle then my Samsung PX2370 Monitor? If I move my eyes down just one inch the colors in an image chance completely and get darker. I don't get the same effect when watching television. I can move around a lot before I get the same effect on the television. i have to move very far to one side to get a similar effect on the television.

The monitor is only 23" and the tv is 32" yet the monitor isn;t much cheaper then the tv and the tv has none of the problems that seem to plague the monitor. I figure if I television can be made without those problems a monitor could also. Doesn't make sense to me.

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Get an LG LCD monitor. LG makes their own S-IPS panels, and that is what all of their TVs and monitors use, and they are fantastic. In 2008, I would have said Samsung was better than LG. But 09-10, LG has really stepped up their game and easily makes the best LCDs. I've never seen an LG with backlight issues. I would also recommend buying one in a store so that you can make sure there is none in the store. I wish I could answer that question, but I don't know enough about sidelit LED monitors. I do know that, because of how the pixels are aligned, S-IPS panels(the panels LG uses) have some of the best viewing angles for LCDs.
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Yes I think I will get an LG or BenQ this time. Very happy with the LG TV and the viewing angle on it. Anyways I have couple of questions I hope someone can answer. 1. When I go into the magic bright settings for the px2370 if I chose the dynamic contrast and then open a pure black image and view it full screen the monitor acts like the power has been shut off even though the power on it remains on. The white mouse cursor vanishes from the screen. If I load up a game and there is a dark or black loading screen the monitor will also go completely black. I don't think that is normal? It only does that when using dynamic contrast. It doesn't do that in custom, cinema, game or standard modes. 2. Games look great if it is a very colorful image. You can't see how the bottom half of the screen is a lot lighter in color the the top of the screen. For example of you were looking at the face of an Asian person and moved that image from the top of the screen to the bottom their skin color would change so that they almost look as if they were a white person. I don't think it is acceptable for their to be that much variation? I am sure it is the bleeding that is making everything on the bottom of the screen lighter then the top. I am not sure if I can find an S-IPS panel monitor. Future Shop didn't have any. I will check best buy and other places and if they are not too expensive get one of those.
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[QUOTE="HeyDoYaThang"]Yes I think I will get an LG or BenQ this time. Very happy with the LG TV and the viewing angle on it. Anyways I have couple of questions I hope someone can answer. 1. When I go into the magic bright settings for the px2370 if I chose the dynamic contrast and then open a pure black image and view it full screen the monitor acts like the power has been shut off even though the power on it remains on. The white mouse cursor vanishes from the screen. If I load up a game and there is a dark or black loading screen the monitor will also go completely black. I don't think that is normal? It only does that when using dynamic contrast. It doesn't do that in custom, cinema, game or standard modes. 2. Games look great if it is a very colorful image. You can't see how the bottom half of the screen is a lot lighter in color the the top of the screen. For example of you were looking at the face of an Asian person and moved that image from the top of the screen to the bottom their skin color would change so that they almost look as if they were a white person. I don't think it is acceptable for their to be that much variation? I am sure it is the bleeding that is making everything on the bottom of the screen lighter then the top. I am not sure if I can find an S-IPS panel monitor. Future Shop didn't have any. I will check best buy and other places and if they are not too expensive get one of those.

This is the monitor I am likely upgrading to: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/LG+-+23%22+Widescreen+Flat-Panel+LCD+Monitor/9750981.p?id=1218167168134&skuId=9750981