I've got a Q6600 @ 2.4 Ghz (stock due to locked down bios) with a 5770 1gb and 4gb of ddr2 800 RAM. The rest of my system specs are an acer matx mobo, 750gb cavair black HDD, corsair tx550w psu and a fractal design arc midi. I am planning on upgrading to a 570 for BF3 and future games but I don't know if it would be worth it due to a possible bottleneck. Also, would I need a new psu for it too? The corsair ax850w is on sale for $151 after rebate right now. Alternatively, I could go for an i5 2500k, asrock extreme4 gen3, samsung spinpoint f3 and 8gb of ddr3 1333 RAM. Which would be the better upgrade? Both upgrades would be within the same price range and I wouldn't be able to do the other until earlier next year. Also, I play at 1680 x 1050.
Q6600 bottleneck? What would be the better upgrade?
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Q6600 is still plenty fast for gaming. going with a GTX 570 would only cause a slight bottleneck, but it wont affect you in a big way (only will lose a few fps). You could get an aftermarket cooler and overclock your your Q6600 to 3 ghz and you will remove any bottlenecking.
A stock Q6600 will be a big bottleneck to a GTX 570 in many games. I recommend that you do the tape mod and get your CPU to 3ghz. That will help quite a bit.
sorry i wouldnt recommend getting a 570. video cards have very short life cycles. a cpu can last 5-6 years like ur q6600 did. Also a 5770 is still good enough to max most games
Sorry but no, a 5770 will not max dx 11 games nor most dx 10 games ethier, my old dual 8800's outperformed the 5770. Getting a GTX 570 even with his Q660 as it is, he will see major performance gains over that 5770, Heck I know someone that got rid of his 5770 because of the nature of ATI drivers and were causing the games he was playing glitch and have poor performance. So he went out and bought a GTX 460 and that solved all his issues and he gained a massive performance increase. And whats with this video cards have short life spans? I still have gpu's that are still working to this day after 6 years. As long as you have the proper cooling and clean good power a gpu will last as long as any cpu..... Im guessing you never done that since you tried to run a GTX 460 on a no name 400w psusorry i wouldnt recommend getting a 570. video cards have very short life cycles. a cpu can last 5-6 years like ur q6600 did. Also a 5770 is still good enough to max most games
blaznwiipspman1
A big bottleneck is something like a Dual Core and a 570, a Q6600 is stil not a bad chip and a decent Quad Core, its not a bad bottleneck at all. Of course he will get better peformance from an i5 but every system has components that could increase there peformance, doesnt mean its not worthwhile upgrading.A stock Q6600 will be a big bottleneck to a GTX 570 in many games. I recommend that you do the tape mod and get your CPU to 3ghz. That will help quite a bit.
hartsickdiscipl
Sorry but no, a 5770 will not max dx 11 games nor most dx 10 games ethier, my old dual 8800's outperformed the 5770. Getting a GTX 570 even with his Q660 as it is, he will see major performance gains over that 5770, Heck I know someone that got rid of his 5770 because of the nature of ATI drivers and were causing the games he was playing glitch and have poor performance. So he went out and bought a GTX 460 and that solved all his issues and he gained a massive performance increase. And whats with this video cards have short life spans? I still have gpu's that are still working to this day after 6 years. As long as you have the proper cooling and clean good power a gpu will last as long as any cpu..... Im guessing you never done that since you tried to run a GTX 460 on a no name 400w psu04dcarraher
Um, yes, a 5770 can max most games out there now, considering most of them are console ports anyway. You say it can't max The Witcher 2 and Battlefield 3? Well it can sure as hell max Skyrim, Mass Effect 3, Diablo 3, Batman: Arkham City, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, Dragon Age 2, Portal 2, SW:TOR, Fallout 3: NV, Assassin's Creed, etc. etc. What's that, 2 games to 10+? I think that dictates as 'most'.
[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] Sorry but no, a 5770 will not max dx 11 games nor most dx 10 games ethier, my old dual 8800's outperformed the 5770. Getting a GTX 570 even with his Q660 as it is, he will see major performance gains over that 5770, Heck I know someone that got rid of his 5770 because of the nature of ATI drivers and were causing the games he was playing glitch and have poor performance. So he went out and bought a GTX 460 and that solved all his issues and he gained a massive performance increase. And whats with this video cards have short life spans? I still have gpu's that are still working to this day after 6 years. As long as you have the proper cooling and clean good power a gpu will last as long as any cpu..... Im guessing you never done that since you tried to run a GTX 460 on a no name 400w psukaitanuvax
Um, yes, a 5770 can max most games out there now, considering most of them are console ports anyway. You say it can't max The Witcher 2 and Battlefield 3? Well it can sure as hell max Skyrim, Mass Effect 3, Diablo 3, Batman: Arkham City, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, Dragon Age 2, Portal 2, SW:TOR, Fallout 3: NV, Assassin's Creed, etc. etc. What's that, 2 games to 10+? I think that dictates as 'most'.
honestly and one more thing 04cararrher stop misleading people with driver problems. Maybe you knew "some guy" who had a 5770 and had alot of driver problems but most people are fine. I even had some problems with my 460 gtx with some games like metro 2033 that only became resolved after i updated to latest patch. Any game the 5770 can't play on high settings, neither can the 570 gtx. Video cards have very short life spans and are updated frequently and their prices drop much faster than cpu prices do. If he buys an i5 2500k, his frames in most games will jump about 30 frames anyways.
[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] Sorry but no, a 5770 will not max dx 11 games nor most dx 10 games ethier, my old dual 8800's outperformed the 5770. Getting a GTX 570 even with his Q660 as it is, he will see major performance gains over that 5770, Heck I know someone that got rid of his 5770 because of the nature of ATI drivers and were causing the games he was playing glitch and have poor performance. So he went out and bought a GTX 460 and that solved all his issues and he gained a massive performance increase. And whats with this video cards have short life spans? I still have gpu's that are still working to this day after 6 years. As long as you have the proper cooling and clean good power a gpu will last as long as any cpu..... Im guessing you never done that since you tried to run a GTX 460 on a no name 400w psukaitanuvax
Um, yes, a 5770 can max most games out there now, considering most of them are console ports anyway. You say it can't max The Witcher 2 and Battlefield 3? Well it can sure as hell max Skyrim, Mass Effect 3, Diablo 3, Batman: Arkham City, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, Dragon Age 2, Portal 2, SW:TOR, Fallout 3: NV, Assassin's Creed, etc. etc. What's that, 2 games to 10+? I think that dictates as 'most'.
The term "max" can mean different to each person as in running every game at maximum resolution with 4x AA or even 8x AA. Thats why I said cant max dx11 games or most dx10 games, 90% of of those games you listed are console ports and or native dx 9 , their not that demanding. You can take Crysis warhead at 1080 with 4x AA and a 5770 will only average 20 fps, thats max but it's not playable. Or even STALKER:COP with ultra quality and 4x AA at 1080 resolution and only get 25 average fps. And with a GTX 570 both of those examples yould have over double the FPS. And with BF3 being native Direct X 10/11 a 5770 will not be able to max the game.The term "max" can mean different to each person as in running every game at maximum resolution with 4x AA or even 8x AA. Thats why I said cant max dx11 games or most dx10 games, 90% of of those games you listed are console ports and or native dx 9 , their not that demanding. You can take Crysis warhead at 1080 with 4x AA and a 5770 will only average 20 fps, thats max but it's not playable. Or even STALKER:COP with ultra quality and 4x AA at 1080 resolution and only get 25 average fps. And with a GTX 570 both of those examples yould have over double the FPS. And with BF3 being native Direct X 10/11 a 5770 will not be able to max the game. 04dcarraher
And your point is? Apparently 90% of those games I listed make up about 90% of the games out thereanyway. For every recentgame you mention that a 5770 can't "max", I can name at least 5.
And AA doesn't really matter at high resolutions so it is insignificant. If you can get 40-60 FPS on at least 1680x1050 at all in game settings maxed, and I don'tgive two damnswhat your standards for "max" are, your eyes aren't trained to see the difference in that range, then it might as well be "maxed".
[QUOTE="kaitanuvax"]
[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] Sorry but no, a 5770 will not max dx 11 games nor most dx 10 games ethier, my old dual 8800's outperformed the 5770. Getting a GTX 570 even with his Q660 as it is, he will see major performance gains over that 5770, Heck I know someone that got rid of his 5770 because of the nature of ATI drivers and were causing the games he was playing glitch and have poor performance. So he went out and bought a GTX 460 and that solved all his issues and he gained a massive performance increase. And whats with this video cards have short life spans? I still have gpu's that are still working to this day after 6 years. As long as you have the proper cooling and clean good power a gpu will last as long as any cpu..... Im guessing you never done that since you tried to run a GTX 460 on a no name 400w psublaznwiipspman1
Um, yes, a 5770 can max most games out there now, considering most of them are console ports anyway. You say it can't max The Witcher 2 and Battlefield 3? Well it can sure as hell max Skyrim, Mass Effect 3, Diablo 3, Batman: Arkham City, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, Dragon Age 2, Portal 2, SW:TOR, Fallout 3: NV, Assassin's Creed, etc. etc. What's that, 2 games to 10+? I think that dictates as 'most'.
honestly and one more thing 04cararrher stop misleading people with driver problems. Maybe you knew "some guy" who had a 5770 and had alot of driver problems but most people are fine. I even had some problems with my 460 gtx with some games like metro 2033 that only became resolved after i updated to latest patch. Any game the 5770 can't play on high settings, neither can the 570 gtx. Video cards have very short life spans and are updated frequently and their prices drop much faster than cpu prices do. If he buys an i5 2500k, his frames in most games will jump about 30 frames anyways.
O yes AMD/ATI are the best! not !!!! Nvidia isnt the best ethier but Nvidia drivers tend to cause less issues with new games and other games that AMD dont have bug fixes for many games. that "someone" is actually my friend who I recommended that 5770 to because of his budget and at that time the 5770 was the best bang for your buck. And your just full of it where you said if a 5770 cant max it a GTX 570 cant ethier :lol: a GTX 570 is over 2x faster then a 5770. Also you keep on saying video cards have short life spans? so do cpu's heck all technology is like that in that fact that new faster items are released nearly every year. Since he already has a Q6600 its a waste of money getting an i5 2500k at this point in time where AMD's and intel new lines of cpu's will be coming within the next 5 months. a system Q6600 with a GTX 570 will cream a setup with an i5 2500k with a 5770 with almost all games.To the actual topic, yes, you will probably be bottlenecked a littleby a stock Q6600. Try to hack the mobo so you can OC it, if you can't, well, I guess it won't be that big of a deal.
And I'm not saying you shouldn't get the 570, I'm just defending the notion that somehow the 5770 and the like are "obsolete", because they're obviously not.
[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]The term "max" can mean different to each person as in running every game at maximum resolution with 4x AA or even 8x AA. Thats why I said cant max dx11 games or most dx10 games, 90% of of those games you listed are console ports and or native dx 9 , their not that demanding. You can take Crysis warhead at 1080 with 4x AA and a 5770 will only average 20 fps, thats max but it's not playable. Or even STALKER:COP with ultra quality and 4x AA at 1080 resolution and only get 25 average fps. And with a GTX 570 both of those examples yould have over double the FPS. And with BF3 being native Direct X 10/11 a 5770 will not be able to max the game. kaitanuvax
And your point is? Apparently 90% of those games I listed make up about 90% of the games out thereanyway. For every recentgame you mention that a 5770 can't "max", I can name at least 5.
And AA doesn't really matter at high resolutions so it is insignificant. If you can get 40-60 FPS on at least 1680x1050 at all in game settings maxed, and I don'tgive two damnswhat your standards for "max" are, your eyes aren't trained to see the difference in that range, then it might as well be "maxed".
Its fact that the TC wants to play BF 3 on dx 11 high/max settings and a 5770 wont be able to do it. You being bombastic about you dont care what "I" think about what max means or others do. Makes me think that you know that with Pc games that arent console ports a 5770 isnt able to "max" newer games which sorta voids the argument that the 5770 can max dx 11 games which it cant.[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"][QUOTE="kaitanuvax"]
Um, yes, a 5770 can max most games out there now, considering most of them are console ports anyway. You say it can't max The Witcher 2 and Battlefield 3? Well it can sure as hell max Skyrim, Mass Effect 3, Diablo 3, Batman: Arkham City, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, Dragon Age 2, Portal 2, SW:TOR, Fallout 3: NV, Assassin's Creed, etc. etc. What's that, 2 games to 10+? I think that dictates as 'most'.
04dcarraher
honestly and one more thing 04cararrher stop misleading people with driver problems. Maybe you knew "some guy" who had a 5770 and had alot of driver problems but most people are fine. I even had some problems with my 460 gtx with some games like metro 2033 that only became resolved after i updated to latest patch. Any game the 5770 can't play on high settings, neither can the 570 gtx. Video cards have very short life spans and are updated frequently and their prices drop much faster than cpu prices do. If he buys an i5 2500k, his frames in most games will jump about 30 frames anyways.
O yes AMD/ATI are the best! not !!!! Nvidia isnt the best ethier but Nvidia drivers tend to cause less issues with new games and other games that AMD dont have bug fixes for many games. that "someone" is actually my friend who I recommended that 5770 to because of his budget and at that time the 5770 was the best bang for your buck. And your just full of it where you said if a 5770 cant max it a GTX 570 cant ethier :lol: a GTX 570 is over 2x faster then a 5770. Also you keep on saying video cards have short life spans? so do cpu's heck all technology is like that in that fact that new faster items are released nearly every year. Since he already has a Q6600 its a waste of money getting an i5 2500k at this point in time where AMD's and intel new lines of cpu's will be coming within the next 5 months. a system Q6600 with a GTX 570 will cream a setup with an i5 2500k with a 5770 with almost all games.the main difference is in an year he can probably buy a card that is as strong as the 570 for half the price whereas the 2500k will remain at $220 for the next 3-4 years. The only cpus intel will release are its high end cpu models to replace their old lga 1366. It will likely be less than 10% stronger performance wise. Also I will take u up on your challenge, try running starcraft 2 with a q6600 and a 570 gtx and come backto me after you get your face pwnd by the i5 2500k and the 5770,
O yes AMD/ATI are the best! not !!!! Nvidia isnt the best ethier but Nvidia drivers tend to cause less issues with new games and other games that AMD dont have bug fixes for many games. that "someone" is actually my friend who I recommended that 5770 to because of his budget and at that time the 5770 was the best bang for your buck. And your just full of it where you said if a 5770 cant max it a GTX 570 cant ethier :lol: a GTX 570 is over 2x faster then a 5770. Also you keep on saying video cards have short life spans? so do cpu's heck all technology is like that in that fact that new faster items are released nearly every year. Since he already has a Q6600 its a waste of money getting an i5 2500k at this point in time where AMD's and intel new lines of cpu's will be coming within the next 5 months. a system Q6600 with a GTX 570 will cream a setup with an i5 2500k with a 5770 with almost all games.[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]
honestly and one more thing 04cararrher stop misleading people with driver problems. Maybe you knew "some guy" who had a 5770 and had alot of driver problems but most people are fine. I even had some problems with my 460 gtx with some games like metro 2033 that only became resolved after i updated to latest patch. Any game the 5770 can't play on high settings, neither can the 570 gtx. Video cards have very short life spans and are updated frequently and their prices drop much faster than cpu prices do. If he buys an i5 2500k, his frames in most games will jump about 30 frames anyways.
blaznwiipspman1
the main difference is in an year he can probably buy a card that is as strong as the 570 for half the price whereas the 2500k will remain at $220 for the next 3-4 years. The only cpus intel will release are its high end cpu models to replace their old lga 1366. It will likely be less than 10% stronger performance wise. Also I will take u up on your challenge, try running starcraft 2 with a q6600 and a 570 gtx and come backto me after you get your face pwnd by the i5 2500k and the 5770,
It would help that Starcraft 2 was coded correctly to use quads then it would be more of an even match. however you would pick the only game that a higher end cpu would do much better averages. They did tests showing dual cores vs quads(same architecture and speed) with SC 2 there was no real difference. Im not arguing about that a i5 is faster then a C2Q,The point is that any fps, rpg, and even older rts's and other game types a Q6600 paired with a much stronger gpu will out perform an i5 with a much weaker gpu. Since 90% of games are more gpu bound then cpu.You being bombastic about you dont I care what "I" think about what max means or others do. Makes me think that you know that with Pc games that arent console ports a 5770 isnt able to "max" newer games which sorta voids the argument that the 5770 can max dx 11 games which it cant.
04dcarraher
Your make it seem as if your statement "dx11 and dx10 games" encompasses most of all new releases, which obviously isn't the case as thepercentage of dx11/dx10 games in future releasesis sadly low. And even on a good amount of those releases they use practically the same engines (Unreal for example) which the 5770 can easily max. So you make it seem as if the 5770 won't be good for most of the "new" games when a majority of them will be console ports or some justusing the same engines anyway with a little "dx11" slapped on (is that how they make you guys buy new cards now? hahaha) them?
[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]
You being bombastic about you dont I care what "I" think about what max means or others do. Makes me think that you know that with Pc games that arent console ports a 5770 isnt able to "max" newer games which sorta voids the argument that the 5770 can max dx 11 games which it cant.
kaitanuvax
Your make it seem as if your statement "dx11 and dx10 games" encompasses most of all new releases, which obviously isn't the case as thepercentage of dx11/dx10 games in future releasesis sadly low. And even on a good amount of those releases they use practically the same engines (Unreal for example) which the 5770 can easily max. So you make it seem as if the 5770 won't be good for most of the "new" games when a majority of them will be console ports or some justusing the same engines anyway with a little "dx11" slapped on (is that how they make you guys buy new cards now? hahaha) them?
Come on, of course you leave out this section of my quote "Its fact that the TC wants to play BF 3 on dx 11 high/max settings and a 5770 wont be able to do it"... Most "Pc" games coming out have dx 10 and or dx 11 features and the 5770 isnt the best choice for maxing ethier one. Yes I know alot of new games dont push gpu's since they are multiplatform and are designed around console limits. However your not even seeing the big picture, here where many new games are pushing gpu hardware too. Yes its all about the dx 11 just slapped on.... come on give me a break with that. DX 11 has more efficient coding giving you better framerates vs dx 10 or 9, also allows tessellation too. Let alone each generation of gpu that based for dx 11 gives you more options and performance vs the previous. Personally I used Geforce 8800GT's since 2007 and SLI them since 2008 and two 8800GT's in SLI do out perform a single 5770 in most games, and still I upgraded to a GTX 560 and games like STALKER :COP, Metro 2033, AVP, the Witcher 2 and other games run better and look better.
I doubt a 5770 can max out Alien vs Predator in directx 11 at 1920x1080 with 8xAA/ It also can't max out. Crysis 1 modded 1920x1080 with AA at 4x Crysis 2 directx 11 ultra settings 1920x1080 GTA IV modded with supersampling Lost Planet 2 directx 11 max 32xAA Metro 2033 1920x1080 or heck even at lower resolutions. Shogun 2 directx 11 max 1920x1080 with AA STALKER Clear Sky Complete . The Witcher 2 . And much more.RyviusARC
it will max out all those games at 1080p with AA at 2x and settings on high. I know since I was able to max out most games with my 4770. Shogun needs a core i5 2500k to play smoothly, stalker will play near max, gta IV will run high with draw distance set to less than 40 and metro will also play fine at medium settings with 2x AA, tessellation enabled and DAO disabled. Games aren't as hardware straining as you make it out to be. Also battlefield 3 like battlefield 2 will probably need a strong cpu, and diablo 3 also depends on a really powerful cpu.
Blaze you make me laugh... Shogun 2 does not need a i5 to play smooth, Nor a 4770 can max most games (unless your talking about games that a Geforce 8800/9800 can max out). Also any quad core cpu C2Q or newer will run any game just fine. Diablo 3 will not need a really powerful cpu, and BF3 wont need more then any quad core clocked at 3 ghz to play good.
Shogun II doesnt need a i5 2500k to run smoothly, I max the game out with my CPU and its a bit weaker than a i5. I can get over 60fps in battles with DX11 and 1920x1080. And no a 4770 doesnt max lots of games, maybe older games but not newer ones, same goes with a 5770.
[QUOTE="RyviusARC"]I doubt a 5770 can max out Alien vs Predator in directx 11 at 1920x1080 with 8xAA/ It also can't max out. Crysis 1 modded 1920x1080 with AA at 4x Crysis 2 directx 11 ultra settings 1920x1080 GTA IV modded with supersampling Lost Planet 2 directx 11 max 32xAA Metro 2033 1920x1080 or heck even at lower resolutions. Shogun 2 directx 11 max 1920x1080 with AA STALKER Clear Sky Complete . The Witcher 2 . And much more.blaznwiipspman1
it will max out all those games at 1080p with AA at 2x and settings on high. I know since I was able to max out most games with my 4770. Shogun needs a core i5 2500k to play smoothly, stalker will play near max, gta IV will run high with draw distance set to less than 40 and metro will also play fine at medium settings with 2x AA, tessellation enabled and DAO disabled. Games aren't as hardware straining as you make it out to be. Also battlefield 3 like battlefield 2 will probably need a strong cpu, and diablo 3 also depends on a really powerful cpu.
High isnt max, max is the maximum possible settings. Saying it will run games at max then saying medium with no dao, draw distance cut down etc isnt max, sort of a big contradicting statement.[QUOTE="RyviusARC"]I doubt a 5770 can max out Alien vs Predator in directx 11 at 1920x1080 with 8xAA/ It also can't max out. Crysis 1 modded 1920x1080 with AA at 4x Crysis 2 directx 11 ultra settings 1920x1080 GTA IV modded with supersampling Lost Planet 2 directx 11 max 32xAA Metro 2033 1920x1080 or heck even at lower resolutions. Shogun 2 directx 11 max 1920x1080 with AA STALKER Clear Sky Complete . The Witcher 2 . And much more.blaznwiipspman1
it will max out all those games at 1080p with AA at 2x and settings on high. I know since I was able to max out most games with my 4770. Shogun needs a core i5 2500k to play smoothly, stalker will play near max, gta IV will run high with draw distance set to less than 40 and metro will also play fine at medium settings with 2x AA, tessellation enabled and DAO disabled. Games aren't as hardware straining as you make it out to be. Also battlefield 3 like battlefield 2 will probably need a strong cpu, and diablo 3 also depends on a really powerful cpu.
Those settings you listed aren't max. Even my GTX 570 OCed past GTX 580 stock performance cannot max STALKER Clear SKy COmplete mod at max at 1920x1080. I had to lower the AA to 2x in camp. GTA IV modded won't be maxed out on a 5770. ALso SHogun 2 maxed out my GTX 570 before it maxed out my cpu so it is highly gpu demanding too. Crysis 2 directx 11 ultra settings will definitely not run smooth at 1920x1080 on a 5770. Neither will Alien vs Predator at 8xaa.and can ur eyes tell teh difference b/w 2x AA and 32x AA? No they can't I can't when im looking at a picture. The gap between high and ultra is very very little if any difference at all. I said it before but a 5770 is more than enough to run most games well. A 460 1gb gtx is all you need and a 6950 and above is overkill.
Also to a core i5 2500k will greatly boost frames in shogun 2. Sure you can play it on a phenom II or a q6600 but you won't be able to put all the cpu settings on, or will it get as many frames.
Yes you can put all the CPU settings on. Yes, the 2500k is fast, but that doesnt mean all other CPUs are slow as dirt.Also to a core i5 2500k will greatly boost frames in shogun 2. Sure you can play it on a phenom II or a q6600 but you won't be able to put all the cpu settings on, or will it get as many frames.
blaznwiipspman1
I run the game with all settings on and easily get 60fps in campaign battles and the benchmark. No one ever said that the i5 will not boost frames, your trying to put words into peoples mouths. And you can say that the difference between high and ultra is minimal all you want, high isnt max and thats the point that you dont seem to get.and can ur eyes tell teh difference b/w 2x AA and 32x AA? No they can't I can't when im looking at a picture. The gap between high and ultra is very very little if any difference at all. I said it before but a 5770 is more than enough to run most games well. A 460 1gb gtx is all you need and a 6950 and above is overkill.
Also to a core i5 2500k will greatly boost frames in shogun 2. Sure you can play it on a phenom II or a q6600 but you won't be able to put all the cpu settings on, or will it get as many frames.
blaznwiipspman1
[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]Yes you can put all the CPU settings on. Yes, the 2500k is fast, but that doesnt mean all other CPUs are slow as dirt.Also to a core i5 2500k will greatly boost frames in shogun 2. Sure you can play it on a phenom II or a q6600 but you won't be able to put all the cpu settings on, or will it get as many frames.
Iantheone
funny last time i tried to play a 4v4 in sc2 with all cpu settings to max on my phenom II, things werent so pretty, especially in the big battles the frames would go as low as 0. Even the single player campaign mode was pushing the cpu to just 30 frames per second. The q6600 had a good run, but his cpu needs an upgrade more than his graphics card. Lets face it next year you will probably be able to buy a card for $130 that beats the 570gtx easily.
[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]I run the game with all settings on and easily get 60fps in campaign battles and the benchmark. No one ever said that the i5 will not boost frames, your trying to put words into peoples mouths. And you can say that the difference between high and ultra is minimal all you want, high isnt max and thats the point that you dont seem to get.and can ur eyes tell teh difference b/w 2x AA and 32x AA? No they can't I can't when im looking at a picture. The gap between high and ultra is very very little if any difference at all. I said it before but a 5770 is more than enough to run most games well. A 460 1gb gtx is all you need and a 6950 and above is overkill.
Also to a core i5 2500k will greatly boost frames in shogun 2. Sure you can play it on a phenom II or a q6600 but you won't be able to put all the cpu settings on, or will it get as many frames.
V4LENT1NE
cool, now go play sc2 try to put all the cpu settings to ultra, thats if the program will even allow you to, and try running a 4v4 and post a fraps log while youre at it.
I run the game with all settings on and easily get 60fps in campaign battles and the benchmark. No one ever said that the i5 will not boost frames, your trying to put words into peoples mouths. And you can say that the difference between high and ultra is minimal all you want, high isnt max and thats the point that you dont seem to get.[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"][QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]
and can ur eyes tell teh difference b/w 2x AA and 32x AA? No they can't I can't when im looking at a picture. The gap between high and ultra is very very little if any difference at all. I said it before but a 5770 is more than enough to run most games well. A 460 1gb gtx is all you need and a 6950 and above is overkill.
Also to a core i5 2500k will greatly boost frames in shogun 2. Sure you can play it on a phenom II or a q6600 but you won't be able to put all the cpu settings on, or will it get as many frames.
blaznwiipspman1
cool, now go play sc2 try to put all the cpu settings to ultra, thats if the program will even allow you to, and try running a 4v4 and post a fraps log while youre at it.
I have Stracraft 2 and I ran it fine with my 2 4870s on max, runs even better on my 580, have no problems through out the game. Why are you switching games all the time when someone debunks your statements?Yes you can put all the CPU settings on. Yes, the 2500k is fast, but that doesnt mean all other CPUs are slow as dirt.[QUOTE="Iantheone"][QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]
Also to a core i5 2500k will greatly boost frames in shogun 2. Sure you can play it on a phenom II or a q6600 but you won't be able to put all the cpu settings on, or will it get as many frames.
blaznwiipspman1
funny last time i tried to play a 4v4 in sc2 with all cpu settings to max on my phenom II, things werent so pretty, especially in the big battles the frames would go as low as 0. Even the single player campaign mode was pushing the cpu to just 30 frames per second. The q6600 had a good run, but his cpu needs an upgrade more than his graphics card. Lets face it next year you will probably be able to buy a card for $130 that beats the 570gtx easily.
NO idea what you were doing wrong, but Ive never had that trouble with my PII, played SC2 max settings. To be fair though, Ive only played through the SP campaign on SC2, but Ive never had any trouble in any game with my CPU.also the man said he plays at 1680 X 900 resolution, like I said before his 5770 will be more than enough. A core i5 2500k will be a much more significant upgrade since he'll get a boost in all the computer performance as well as games. A graphics card upgrade will only give him a boost in games, most of which were already near highest settings with his 5770 anyways. Stop telling the man to do stupid things like upgrading his graphics card when its not something you would do if you were in his position. A cpu upgrade takes priority, not to mention he'll be getting a new motherboard and faster ram as well as a decent hard drive for the same price as the 570gtx alone.
[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"][QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"] I run the game with all settings on and easily get 60fps in campaign battles and the benchmark. No one ever said that the i5 will not boost frames, your trying to put words into peoples mouths. And you can say that the difference between high and ultra is minimal all you want, high isnt max and thats the point that you dont seem to get.V4LENT1NE
cool, now go play sc2 try to put all the cpu settings to ultra, thats if the program will even allow you to, and try running a 4v4 and post a fraps log while youre at it.
I have Stracraft 2 and I ran it fine with my 2 4870s on max, runs even better on my 580, have no problems through out the game. Why are you switching games all the time when someone debunks your statements?lol i'll call BS on that statement. you are not able to put all settings to extreme, especially the cpu intensive physics settings. Also I dont have shogun 2 so i wont comment on it. However it is a similar game and more cpu intensive so whats said about sc2 can easily be applied to shogun 2 as well.
I have a PII 955 @ 4.0 Ghz, there is nothing worth upgrading to at the moment. So yes, I would do exactly what I'm recommending TC do. The only things I wouldnt suggest as an upgrade are the 590/6990. Everything else is fair game. Also, 2x4870 would have no problem with SC2, since I maxed it with a single 4890 =/also the man said he plays at 1680 X 900 resolution, like I said before his 5770 will be more than enough. A core i5 2500k will be a much more significant upgrade since he'll get a boost in all the computer performance as well as games. A graphics card upgrade will only give him a boost in games, most of which were already near highest settings with his 5770 anyways. Stop telling the man to do stupid things like upgrading his graphics card when its not something you would do if you were in his position. A cpu upgrade takes priority, not to mention he'll be getting a new motherboard and faster ram as well as a decent hard drive for the same price as the 570gtx alone.
blaznwiipspman1
I have Stracraft 2 and I ran it fine with my 2 4870s on max, runs even better on my 580, have no problems through out the game. Why are you switching games all the time when someone debunks your statements?[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"][QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]
cool, now go play sc2 try to put all the cpu settings to ultra, thats if the program will even allow you to, and try running a 4v4 and post a fraps log while youre at it.
blaznwiipspman1
lol i'll call BS on that statement. you are not able to put all settings to extreme, especially the cpu intensive physics settings. Also I dont have shogun 2 so i wont comment on it. However it is a similar game and more cpu intensive so whats said about sc2 can easily be applied to shogun 2 as well.
I had all my settings on the highest possible in SC2 while I had the 4870s and never had problems running the game, I got about 3/4 through the campaign and didnt have any FPS issues at all. Nor did I when 580, and like I said have no problems with Shogun 2 either, I dont know why you think the Phenom II Quads are so bad, your statements are an absolute joke and you have nothing to lol about considering the garbage you have been spewing in this thread. People have called you out and all you say is "well my phenom couldnt blah blah" or change the conversation to another game, its completely pointless. No one is saying that an i7/5 wont peform better than a Phenom II, but a Phenom II can still max any game coupled with the right GPU, especially when overclocked.Q6600 at 2.4Ghz the bottleneck would be much bigger, I would say get a cheaper psu+ 560 or 6950+motherboard and over clock ur cpu to 3.6GHz. q6600 at 2.4Ghz is not enough.
[QUOTE="Alienware_fan"]2.4Ghz to 3.6Ghz on a Q6600 O.oQ6600 at 2.4Ghz the bottleneck would be much bigger, I would say get a cheaper psu+ 560 or 6950+motherboard and over clock ur cpu to 3.6GHz. q6600 at 2.4Ghz is not enough.
V4LENT1NE
There are tons of people who have hit 3.6ghz and higher with those chips. Some have hit 4.0ghz on air. It's not uncommon.
2.4Ghz to 3.6Ghz on a Q6600 O.o[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"][QUOTE="Alienware_fan"]
Q6600 at 2.4Ghz the bottleneck would be much bigger, I would say get a cheaper psu+ 560 or 6950+motherboard and over clock ur cpu to 3.6GHz. q6600 at 2.4Ghz is not enough.
hartsickdiscipl
There are tons of people who have hit 3.6ghz and higher with those chips. Some have hit 4.0ghz on air. It's not uncommon.
It is pretty uncommon when you search the web, usually 3.4Ghz for air is what I am looking at. http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2007/07/25/overclocking_intel_core_2_quad_q6600/2 Unless he has the G0 version he isnt going much past 3Ghz.[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]
[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"] 2.4Ghz to 3.6Ghz on a Q6600 O.oV4LENT1NE
There are tons of people who have hit 3.6ghz and higher with those chips. Some have hit 4.0ghz on air. It's not uncommon.
It is pretty uncommon when you search the web, usually 3.4Ghz for air is what I am looking at. http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2007/07/25/overclocking_intel_core_2_quad_q6600/2 Unless he has the G0 version he isnt going much past 3Ghz. As long as the Q6600 is at 3 ghz his bottleneck will be removedFormer_slacker I don't know how you can make sense of this chaotic oneupmenship of the past posts. I can say I upgraded to a GTX 560 1tb OC from EVGA just recently and I have the same CPU and I love the difference it made. I didn't need to upgrade my PSU though and I'm pretty sure you'd have too. But if you can't just build a new computer I think that the PSU and 570 would be the way to go.
Former_slacker I don't know how you can make sense of this chaotic oneupmenship of the past posts. I can say I upgraded to a GTX 560 1tb OC from EVGA just recently and I have the same CPU and I love the difference it made. I didn't need to upgrade my PSU though and I'm pretty sure you'd have too. But if you can't just build a new computer I think that the PSU and 570 would be the way to go.
Rickylee
I will be able to do a second upgrade sometime next year. That upgrade would either be a new mb, ram and an ivy bridge cpu or a kepler gpu depending on which upgrade I do now and my main priority with this upgrade is to be able to play bf3 at high/max at 1680 x 1050 (not including aa).
[QUOTE="Rickylee"]
Former_slacker I don't know how you can make sense of this chaotic oneupmenship of the past posts. I can say I upgraded to a GTX 560 1tb OC from EVGA just recently and I have the same CPU and I love the difference it made. I didn't need to upgrade my PSU though and I'm pretty sure you'd have too. But if you can't just build a new computer I think that the PSU and 570 would be the way to go.
Former_Slacker
I will be able to do a second upgrade sometime next year. That upgrade would either be a new mb, ram and an ivy bridge cpu or a kepler gpu depending on which upgrade I do now and my main priority with this upgrade is to be able to play bf3 at high/max at 1680 x 1050 (not including aa).
Yes, a Q6600 with a GTX 570 will play BF3 on high/max at 1680x1050 without issue.[QUOTE="Former_Slacker"][QUOTE="Rickylee"]
Former_slacker I don't know how you can make sense of this chaotic oneupmenship of the past posts. I can say I upgraded to a GTX 560 1tb OC from EVGA just recently and I have the same CPU and I love the difference it made. I didn't need to upgrade my PSU though and I'm pretty sure you'd have too. But if you can't just build a new computer I think that the PSU and 570 would be the way to go.
04dcarraher
I will be able to do a second upgrade sometime next year. That upgrade would either be a new mb, ram and an ivy bridge cpu or a kepler gpu depending on which upgrade I do now and my main priority with this upgrade is to be able to play bf3 at high/max at 1680 x 1050 (not including aa).
Yes, a Q6600 with a GTX 570 will play BF3 on high/max at 1680x1050 without issue.Thanks for the help guys. My main worry though is a possible bottleneck. I just played bc2 to do some benchmarking. My avg fps at 1680 x 1050 with max settings, 1xaa and 16xaf with HBAO was around 60 while with 8xaa it was around 40 on heavy metal. Playing with low settings at that res also netted me around 50 fps on oasis while at max settings with 1xaa it was around 35. My cpu was at >90% usage the entire time and my card was also near >90%.
You also should know that a GTX 570 is over 2x faster then a 5770 so you will see a good performance boost.
[QUOTE="Former_Slacker"][QUOTE="Rickylee"]
Former_slacker I don't know how you can make sense of this chaotic oneupmenship of the past posts. I can say I upgraded to a GTX 560 1tb OC from EVGA just recently and I have the same CPU and I love the difference it made. I didn't need to upgrade my PSU though and I'm pretty sure you'd have too. But if you can't just build a new computer I think that the PSU and 570 would be the way to go.
04dcarraher
I will be able to do a second upgrade sometime next year. That upgrade would either be a new mb, ram and an ivy bridge cpu or a kepler gpu depending on which upgrade I do now and my main priority with this upgrade is to be able to play bf3 at high/max at 1680 x 1050 (not including aa).
Yes, a Q6600 with a GTX 570 will play BF3 on high/max at 1680x1050 without issue.he'll be able to do that fine with a 5770. Why not try waiting for battlefield 3 to come out and see if you can't run it smoothly at least at that level. Also if you can't run the game smoothly try overclocking your cpu, If after you overclocked your cpu your frames goes up that means your cpu is holding you back. If it doesn't go up then its your gpu. Before you buy a 570gtx you need to upgrade yyour monitor to a 1080p one, otherwise there is no point in getting such a strong card.
Yes, a Q6600 with a GTX 570 will play BF3 on high/max at 1680x1050 without issue.[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="Former_Slacker"]
I will be able to do a second upgrade sometime next year. That upgrade would either be a new mb, ram and an ivy bridge cpu or a kepler gpu depending on which upgrade I do now and my main priority with this upgrade is to be able to play bf3 at high/max at 1680 x 1050 (not including aa).
blaznwiipspman1
he'll be able to do that fine with a 5770. Why not try waiting for battlefield 3 to come out and see if you can't run it smoothly at least at that level. Also if you can't run the game smoothly try overclocking your cpu, If after you overclocked your cpu your frames goes up that means your cpu is holding you back. If it doesn't go up then its your gpu. Before you buy a 570gtx you need to upgrade yyour monitor to a 1080p one, otherwise there is no point in getting such a strong card.
Blaze you are so misinformed, to play BF3 on high settings at 1080 with 60 fps average you will need a GTX 580 (from Dice) Also lets play your needing a better cpu ploy shall we? Lets pair up an i5 2500k with a 9800GTX and lets pair up a Phenom 2 X4 955 also with a 9800GTX and you see an i5 pulling 10-15 fps more then the Phenom 2 now is the the Phenom 2 holding back that 9800? No its not, There is only will be a slight bottleneck with a Q6600 with a GTX 570 but it is still going to kill an i5 setup with a 5770 "no if ands or buts" with BF3. And since you keep on saying theres no need for such a strong card but why do you have a 6950now from your 4770 or gtx 460 you had for a short time?
Yes, a Q6600 with a GTX 570 will play BF3 on high/max at 1680x1050 without issue.[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="Former_Slacker"]
I will be able to do a second upgrade sometime next year. That upgrade would either be a new mb, ram and an ivy bridge cpu or a kepler gpu depending on which upgrade I do now and my main priority with this upgrade is to be able to play bf3 at high/max at 1680 x 1050 (not including aa).
Former_Slacker
Thanks for the help guys. My main worry though is a possible bottleneck. I just played bc2 to do some benchmarking. My avg fps at 1680 x 1050 with max settings, 1xaa and 16xaf with HBAO was around 60 while with 8xaa it was around 40 on heavy metal. Playing with low settings at that res also netted me around 50 fps on oasis while at max settings with 1xaa it was around 35. My cpu was at >90% usage the entire time and my card was also near >90%.
Here's what I get from BFBC2 when I OC my Phenom II x4 940 up from 3.0 to 3.712 and stock GTX 570 @ 1650x1080, High settings, AA 4x, AF 16x:
- Min fps = 54
- Max fps = 105.8
- Avg fps = 77.18
Here's what I get when I OC the GTX 570 from stock to 900/1800/2060:
- Min fps = 65.2
- Max fps = 112.2
- Avg fps = 89.28
Now, that's only from benchmarking the first single player level. My CPU and GPU were always running like yours were, 90%+. I'm not sure if this help you out at all, but it can give you an idea of what kind of performce you could see on the GTX 570 and a faster CPU.
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